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meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
So, yeah, Cryptic just screwed me out of a new Specialization point! I had 13 left; then, when I finish a new bar... I *still* have 13 left! No point being rewarded!

[NumericReceived] You received 96 Expertise
[NumericReceived] You received 278 Specialization Experience
[NumericReceived] You received 96 Expertise
[NumericLost] You lost 158,925 Specialization Experience
[NumericLost] You lost 158,821 Specialization Experience
[CombatAlert] Captain, our enemy's facing shields are down!
[NumericReceived] You received 100 Expertise
[NumericReceived] You received 278 Specialization Experience
[CombatAlert] Captain, our enemy's facing shields are down!
[NumericReceived] You received 20 Expertise
[NumericReceived] You received 55 Specialization Experience

So, where's my Specialization point!? Is this some sort of pre-new-Specialization nerf/scam?! :(
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    maybe there is a cap of max points you can get...

    as I recall... once your at max your suppose to get a dil reward? But they took that out right?

    so maybe once your at max (include counting your unspent points) you fill up the bar and get nada?
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    There is a max cap; equivalent to how many specialization choices (Primary + Secondary = Total possibly earned) you can pick from (currently; that's about 60-70 total?).

    You could spend them all, or save them all, but you won't gain any more until the next Specialization is out, which will also come with an increased cap.

    However, going by what meimeitoo posted, I'm assuming she only needed 13 more points to max out, leveled up, but didn't get a Spec point. If that's the case, it needs to be looked into.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    They'd gone back and forth on it, and according to some other posts out there and even what we saw with the stuff for the new Specialization...yeah, there are caps.

    Currently you can earn a max of 60 Specialization Points. That cap is going to be increased to 90 when they introduce Commander.

    So folks that have earned their 60, won't be able to earn any to get a head start on Commander when it drops...they'll only be able to use their unspent points.

    Bah humbug, ninja'd!
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    It's not a bug! It's a feature!
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    so meimeitoo had 47 spent and 13 saved... you level up and get nada. working as intended :)

    nothing to see here folks...
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  • nickodaemusnickodaemus Member Posts: 711 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Yup, that's the endgame. Once you get there, you will be fully equipped to run all the content you've been running for the last 3 months.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    They'd gone back and forth on it, and according to some other posts out there and even what we saw with the stuff for the new Specialization...yeah, there are caps.

    Currently you can earn a max of 60 Specialization Points. That cap is going to be increased to 90 when they introduce Commander.

    So folks that have earned their 60, won't be able to earn any to get a head start on Commander when it drops...they'll only be able to use their unspent points.

    Bah humbug, ninja'd!


    Yeah, I earned 60 already, of which I spent 30 on Intel, 15 on Pilot, and 2 on Commando, plus the 13 I had left. Deep sigh. I thought you could only *spend* 60.

    So, those 158,925 Specialization Experience points are truly lost then?!
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    edalgo wrote: »
    Exploiter!!!

    Think that /facepalm drawing of the guy putting his palm through his face - where they've done it so it's going through a second guy's face - could be done so it's through the first guy's face and then sixteen more guys, so you've got 17x the number of guys...and fit comfortably in a 500x50 banner while leaving room to express the joy at Delta Rising being the best expansion ever and just how much the players love it?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Yeah, I earned 60 already, of which I spent 30 on Intel, 15 on Pilot, and 2 on Commando, plus the 13 I had left. Deep sigh. I thought you could only *spend* 60.

    So, those 158,925 Specialization Experience points are truly lost then?!

    Wasn't the initial thing that folks that hit the 60 SP could still earn stuff like Dil or whatever at the end? That folks would still have a reason to keep playing. But they pulled that with all the drama that took place there at the start?

    There it is: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1267561&highlight=specialization

    Was the Oct 23rd maintenance where they yanked that...
  • devastor24devastor24 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Yeah... And you remember what happened then? They remove the dil rewards as a preventive measure until they can "fix" the progression problem.
    A few days later, they "solved" the problem (read as NERF XP), but never put the dil rewards back :D
    Nice move, Cryptic.
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  • kristaswiftkristaswift Member Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Yeah, I earned 60 already, of which I spent 30 on Intel, 15 on Pilot, and 2 on Commando, plus the 13 I had left. Deep sigh. I thought you could only *spend* 60.

    So, those 158,925 Specialization Experience points are truly lost then?!

    Does that mean?

    -60 levels to become a fleet admiral
    -60 specialization levels to max out currently...means 120 levels total as of now.

    coming up (command tree):
    -60 levels to become fleet admiral
    -90 specialization levels to max out...total 150 levels total.

    Is that NET correct or am I missing something?
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Does that mean?

    -60 levels to become a fleet admiral
    -60 specialization levels to max out currently...means 120 levels total as of now.

    coming up (command tree):
    -60 levels to become fleet admiral
    -90 specialization levels to max out...total 150 levels total.

    Is that NET correct or am I missing something?

    Well you start earning them at level 50 not 60 so it's 110 right now and soon 140.
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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Yeah, I earned 60 already, of which I spent 30 on Intel, 15 on Pilot, and 2 on Commando, plus the 13 I had left. Deep sigh. I thought you could only *spend* 60.

    No. You gain up to the maximum total needed to fill out all available Specializations, regardless of whether or not you spend them. So 60 maximum currently; 90 once the new Specialization comes out.
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    So, those 158,925 Specialization Experience points are truly lost then?!

    Yes.

    Like others have said, the rewards for leveling up past your maximum allotment of points is still gone and done.

    At this point, you could either keep working without any rewards, or you can go and grind an alt.

    It's disappointing they never returned the Dil rewards (preferably refined already, since IIRC, it was only about 2000 Dil), but unless Cryptic feels they've padded the Spec trees enough, they're not likely to reinstate it (I'd hazard maybe not until after 120 Spec Points).

    It would be great if they at least patched in after the new Specialization; everyone at the cap will at least be on even enough footing (with their nerfed XP gains) to grind 30 more points before being able to earn the Dilithium rewards.
  • kristaswiftkristaswift Member Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Well you start earning them at level 50 not 60 so it's 110 right now and soon 140.

    Thanks for the clarification!

    I can't believe that some are already passing 110 (60 specs). I had the impression due to the snail pace of how leveling got nerfed would take a whole year for someone to get there. Coincidentally, Cryptic is now increasing the cap...meaning they know something that most of us don't.

    If more players are about to max out...guess is doable and why the flaming and throlling with what is going on. You know this looks good for Cryptic if people are actually doing as "intended". Heck three months after DR and peeps are already maxing out...nice one :D

    I'm a casual player and hardly have 25 total specs since DR...whats the secret... to be tight up to my PC grinding Argala 24x7?
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Yeah, I earned 60 already, of which I spent 30 on Intel, 15 on Pilot, and 2 on Commando, plus the 13 I had left. Deep sigh. I thought you could only *spend* 60.

    So, those 158,925 Specialization Experience points are truly lost then?!

    welcome back to how it was before Specialization was introduced.
    if Specialization was out from the time my captains all reached lv50 and you got to save all your points I would have thousands of them by now.
    there not much good if there are no Specialization trees to spend them on.

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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Yeah, I earned 60 already, of which I spent 30 on Intel, 15 on Pilot, and 2 on Commando, plus the 13 I had left. Deep sigh. I thought you could only *spend* 60.

    So, those 158,925 Specialization Experience points are truly lost then?!

    I think those are truly lost SPs. I'd like to think that Cryptic would be forward thinking in accounting for that, but since we are in the era of "Profits Rising" or "Nerfs Rising" I don't think so.

    Probably get close to the cap again and leave that character be until they release the Next Cash Grab.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    No. You gain up to the maximum total needed to fill out all available Specializations, regardless of whether or not you spend them. So 60 maximum currently; 90 once the new Specialization comes out.

    Yes.

    Like others have said, the rewards for leveling up past your maximum allotment of points is still gone and done.

    At this point, you could either keep working without any rewards, or you can go and grind an alt.

    It's disappointing they never returned the Dil rewards (preferably refined already, since IIRC, it was only about 2000 Dil), but unless Cryptic feels they've padded the Spec trees enough, they're not likely to reinstate it (I'd hazard maybe not until after 120 Spec Points).

    It would be great if they at least patched in after the new Specialization; everyone at the cap will at least be on even enough footing (with their nerfed XP gains) to grind 30 more points before being able to earn the Dilithium rewards.


    Thx, guys, for explaining it to me.

    Still pretty bizarre they just >/dev/null 158,925 Specialization Experience points. That's a lot of grinding. Really encourages me to spend more money on your game, Cryptic (for those whose sarcasm detector is off, that last sentence was sarcasm).
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  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Point cap has been raised to 90 on tribble and will be on holodeck when they release it.
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  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    A new dev blog says that from now on when leveling up you only have a 20% chance to gain a spec point. They felt advancement happend to fast in the past few months. So in order to increase your experience they took appropriate measures.

    Of course if you want to advance faster there will be an option to buy a spec point chance increase token for 1000 zen. It will raise your chance for an additional spec point to 40%.
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Thx, guys, for explaining it to me.

    Still pretty bizarre they just >/dev/null 158,925 Specialization Experience points. That's a lot of grinding. Really encourages me to spend more money on your game, Cryptic (for those whose sarcasm detector is off, that last sentence was sarcasm).
    Of course it does encourage spending! Spending on those alts! Those poor, unloved alts that need mountains of Dil and their own set of ships and equipment! Spending on useless XP boosters that aren't worth TRIBBLE compared to XP boosters in other games, in order to raise them up!
    szim wrote: »
    A new dev blog says that from now on when leveling up you only have a 20% chance to gain a spec point. They felt advancement happend to fast in the past few months. So in order to increase your experience they took appropriate measures.

    Of course if you want to advance faster there will be an option to buy a spec point chance increase token for 1000 zen. It will raise your chance for an additional spec point to 40%.
    Man, if they did that (because it's too good to be true this early into their fancy Specialization system), they may as well just let us buy our own damn Spec points. Limit of 5 per character, per week (resets on Maintenance). Hell, they'd make far more money off 1000 Zen Spec points than trying to further nerf the grind. Heck, I wouldn't even care if it required my characters at least be level 60 to purchase them on; I'll buy.
  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    szim wrote: »
    A new dev blog says that from now on when leveling up you only have a 20% chance to gain a spec point. They felt advancement happend to fast in the past few months. So in order to increase your experience they took appropriate measures.

    Of course if you want to advance faster there will be an option to buy a spec point chance increase token for 1000 zen. It will raise your chance for an additional spec point to 40%.

    Really? This is new... How about a link?
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  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    askray wrote: »
    Really? This is new... How about a link?

    :D It was meant to be a joke.... But it's kind of sad that people actually think it possible... :(
  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    szim wrote: »
    :D It was meant to be a joke.... But it's kind of sad that people actually think it possible... :(

    Yep when I get 3 pm's and a line msg apparently ppl took ya seriously
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    szim wrote: »
    :D It was meant to be a joke.... But it's kind of sad that people actually think it possible... :(

    It's an age of reading headlines without reading the article...folks rarely check things and are ready to believe the worst. Did you see the thread with folks talking about how Taco had gotten fired...just because the Dev Tracker went to Hell yesterday and his posts had apparently disappeared? It's the age we live in...where a wee flaming joke can lead to all sorts of armageddon...meh. Hell, folks do it all the time out there where the info is right in the actual blogs, but somebody posts something that's not there...and it's 15 pages later and still trying to get folks to read the blog to see that they've grabbed the pitchforks for no reason other than somebody had trolled them.

    Yeah, sad's probably the word for it. :(
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    Nabreeki ate it.

    *That* is actually more plausible than Cryptic just having blackholed them! :P Which I still can't believe they did.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    westmetals wrote: »
    At the very least, the cap should be removed and excess Spec Points should be able to be stockpiled for future specializations and/or exchanged for something of value. I can understand why not dil...

    Actually, the whole removing Dilithium as a reward past 60 was nothing but a knee-jerk reaction to... yeah, to what exactly?! To people having reached the point where they could start getting Dilithium? First they add the feature; and then, when people are actually getting there, it's like "Oh noes! We can't have that! Exploiters!"

    Those 158,925 Specialization Experience points I lost should have gone nowhere, and just stayed in reserve. Or, indeed, have been converted to something of value (all relative, of course). Yes, as you can tell, I'm still upset about it.
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Those 158,925 Specialization Experience points I lost should have gone nowhere, and just stayed in reserve. Or, indeed, have been converted to something of value (all relative, of course). Yes, as you can tell, I'm still upset about it.

    at this point you have no way of knowing if your points are not being held in reserve somewhere in the system, it may be when they unlock the extra cap in the update any points you have in reserve will suddenly appear.
    alternatively it may be that your marks are lost forever, this may be just one more reason why players would be better off and certainly enjoy the game more if they just played the game as they always have done for fun rather then grinding like mad to try and complete Specialization in double quick time.
    it may well be taking me a lot longer to complete my Specialization trees but at least im not losing any marks for at least the next 18 months, maybe longer if the think up any other Specializations to add in, and at least i am enjoying the game as it is and not complaining about grinding all of the time.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

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