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Favorite Villain
In Champions Online you get to design an arch enemy who then becomes part of your storyline which is something that could be a lot of fun in STO.
STO has several fun villains in the game but unfortunately, they very rarely return.
There is, for example, Gein, Bvat, the alphas shape shifter in the New Link, and Cooper to name a few.
Two part question.
1) Who is your favorite STO in-game villain?
2) Excluding Khan, who is your favorite Star Trek villain?
In Champions Online you get to design an arch enemy who then becomes part of your storyline which is something that could be a lot of fun in STO.
STO has several fun villains in the game but unfortunately, they very rarely return.
There is, for example, Gein, Bvat, the alphas shape shifter in the New Link, and Cooper to name a few.
Two part question.
1) Who is your favorite STO in-game villain?
2) Excluding Khan, who is your favorite Star Trek villain?
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In game is difficult.
DS9 had so many wonderful villains. Probably one of my favorites was Eddington. I enjoyed the socially difficult to put your finger on characters like Garak and early Dukat. There is something really chilling about the episode where Dukat and Sisko are on the planet.
That guy was scary. Trading mass destruction weapon for tools to make a con ? Check. Harming civilians to take on a personal nemesis ? Check. Participating in a con, including covering a murder, to lead another faction to join the war ? Check.
And while Garak was not fooling anyone with his "I'm no spy" fake identities, Sisko successfully stayed as a nice Starfleet captain all the way.
And he is even more scary now that he is some kind of god.
2. Tough call, but I did love Lore and that romulan commander played by Andreas Katsulas. Both as much for their actors doing such a great job as for their actions. I guess i give the edge to Lore just barely. Honorable mention to Dukat, he was a great villain.
Its a shame the original series did so many villains once only. I'd have loved trellaine or kor to have had more time to really become villains rather than one-off opponents.
:mad:
2) Armus. (Tar monster that killed Tasha Yar.)
Early Dukat on DS9,
"Cooper" in STO.
The Borg.
In TVland: Dukat
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Seriously, Dukat made it a point that he was not as bad as how other Cardassians were, but NOoooo the whiny Bajorans tried to kill him, so of course he snapped and said F***K it!!! Burning the planet down.
As for STO: James Kurland
Had this guy been in charge of DS9 back in the day instead of Sisko my Q would the Alpha Quadrant be a different place.
Sisko Vs. Dukat Epic
Kurland Vs. Dukat Bajoran would have been back in the Union within the first week
Toss up between Gaul and the Iconian we got a glimpse of in Surface Tension. Gaul for being a slightly-less over-the-top Saturday morning cartoon villain (see Cooper, Hakeev), although I think that has more to do with Liam O'Brien being a voice actor capable of delivering a more subtle performance compared to some of the previous, non-celebrity voice actors, rather than the writing itself. And the Iconian for actually managing to exude some genuine menace, and with style to boot, in the short time it was onscreen. Assuming we ever get to the point where we are directly engaging the Iconians, hopefully the one that showed up turns out to be an actual character, and not just some random Iconian NPC.
And on that note, I think I'm the only one who answered this one seriously, thus far.
The Borg, before the villain decay kicked in. Oh hell, even after that, I still love the Borg to death.
As far as the shows, like most of the answeres I've seen so far: Dukat for the win. Dukat is this great example of someone who could have had all the power and adulation he could deal with with just bit of honest compassion coupled with the charisma he already had. In an alternate timeline, in my head at least, I can even see him being in charge of the Federation, or something along that lines. sigh.
TV: Shredder from the tmnt movie, even tied up that guy still dominates worlds
Mwahahahahahahaha
I did answer seriously, Sisko is my favorite ST vilain.
As for STO, either Sela or Gaul. Mostly because of the voice acting, which is not over the top (lol hakeev). Really, we can see Cryptic have a lot of experience with cartoon MMO, because even in STO they sound like an escaped CoH-Champions vilain.
I'd guess it would have to be between...
Empress Sela or Borg Queen
1. Hakeev, closely followed by Gaul and Neelix.
2. Gul Dukat, followed by any Weyoun but 6, the female Founder, the Borg Queen, and Janeway (who isn't so much as a favorite villain as the one I loathe the most).
For Star Trek movies? Easy. Khan. The only Khan that matters.
In STO, none. The problem with STO's badguys is that they're so comically bad that they can't be taken seriously. They're hunched over (Tal Shiar: Hey! I'm a badguy! I'm a hunchback!). They laugh with a cheap evil laugh (all of them). They're written and portrayed so terribly. The worst? Hakeev. An absolutely incompetent villain that was so cheaply done, it's an absolute joke this character was head of the Tal Shiar. And the rest of STO's badguys are not far from his very low mark.
Excellent breakdown. And I regard Sisko as my favorite of the Captains. Never compiled all those points before.
Well said. Couldn't agree more.
As for the TV/films:
1) Khan (as played by Montalban)
2) Chang
3) Dukat
4) Koval
5) Sloan
6) Kruge
7) Borg Queen (as played by Alice Kriege)
Honorable mention for The Clown from "The Thaw". Crappy episode, good character.
He had his reasons for doing what he did, he truly believed that he was doing good and he had several points, he acted rationally and like any occupation leader would, sure, he committed what (at least to humans) would be classified as barbaric acts (which weren't very different from what other dictators did here in real life).
That's what made him so damn scary. He had a very deep and detailed justification for everything he did. And what was worse, he was sometimes an ally and did a few seemingly selfless things. He was the Walter White of space.
What Dukat did as occupation leader was very, very light handed. His reprisals were quite moderate, while other Cardassian leaders would have been very heavy handed, very vengeful.
And if the Dominion DID stay in occupation in DS9/Bajor, if the Bajorans tried that insurgency TRIBBLE on them, well... they'd be wishing Dukat was in charge again "like the good 'ol days." The Dominion would not deal with counterinsurgency. They'd just start wiping out the population wholesale.
That's how insurgencies were dealt with in Earth's ancient times. You wiped out the populace.
I loved pretty much every one of his appearances, except in Voyager when the writers ran out of ideas and brought Q back for lame storylines in that series.
But Q is the instigator of some of the best and most hilarious episodes of TNG, including the initial Borg encounter, the offer to turn Riker into a Q, and Q's "exile" aboard the Enterprise, concluding with his return to the Collective, upon which he summons a mariachi band, cigars and pretty ladies to celebrate on the Enterprise bridge.
if i could create a villain for sto it would be for my first officer, the nemesis is General K'tagh. a corrupt and honorless council member with so much charisma he can turn the council on K'mec's first officer and enough juice that he can send endless minions to hunt Nirnas down.
however since such a system doesnt exist for sto, there is already a suitable villain in the game, hakeev. hes just epic.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Archer, Kirk and Picard did all those things...
And let's not even get started on Janeway... Sisko was THE most stable person in comparison.
My favorite villan in STO? There are villans in STO?
The alliance in STO is dealing with the mess Janeway left behind in the Delta Quadrant :cool:
I admit... I did NOT expect that twist...
Well done.
HA!...and I thought I was the only one who thought of him right away!
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We could certainly do with more subtle, intelligent, and charismatic villains in STO, as opposed to the in-your-face evil we normally get.
I didn't mention Sela because I thought the question was asking about villains original to STO, but I suppose she does deserve a mention for, again, being a bit more complex than some of the actual original villains. I suspect, though, that has more to do with Denise Crosby having a hand in making sure they don't mess up her character too terribly.
Also, I feel like the Elachi deserve a mention as well, even if they aren't technically original to STO either. While the Elachi have also suffered a bit of villain decay, since we've learned that they are little more than bio-engineered vassals to the Iconians, they still have a really cool and creepy aesthetic to them, and back during the Romulan story campaign, they managed to be far more menacing than Hakeev and the Tal'Shiar ever accomplished.
Probably the best part is the fact that they never talk. Not only does this add to the creepy factor, but it also helps ensure they can't be made into over-the-tops hams like the rest of the STO villains. :P