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TOPIC TITLE: "What other LIES should I expect?" (before moderation happened)
So... the dialogue in the Diplomacy overview tab is a lie? No First Contact missions?
I've been gone awhile. Basically since that crude pre-alpha stage that they called "Launch". Stardate 87690.60 (January 31, 2010) according to my Fleet information. The game has improved. Possibly not as much as it SHOULD have in five whole years but it's not the total disgrace to the Star Trek brand that it was then.
But...
I mean I know the Diplomacy part doesn't sell much Zen so they don't really care, but what other blatant lies should I expect? Looking for a serious heads up here, please?
So... the dialogue in the Diplomacy overview tab is a lie? No First Contact missions?
I've been gone awhile. Basically since that crude pre-alpha stage that they called "Launch". Stardate 87690.60 (January 31, 2010) according to my Fleet information. The game has improved. Possibly not as much as it SHOULD have in five whole years but it's not the total disgrace to the Star Trek brand that it was then.
But...
I mean I know the Diplomacy part doesn't sell much Zen so they don't really care, but what other blatant lies should I expect? Looking for a serious heads up here, please?
Petition to add fly from bridge feature. Please share!!
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Game Master Urizor: Yes, and while I understand your suggestions, however, the forums is the best place to discuss suggestions. I apologize for the confusion.
Me: Did you read past the title? Posts about flying from the bridge are not allowed. They are prohibited.
Game Master Urizor: Yes, and while I understand your suggestions, however, the forums is the best place to discuss suggestions. I apologize for the confusion.
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Yeah doesn't suprise me ... they removed "Exploration Clusters", in all their wisdom in Season 9.5 ... sadly "First Contant" - Mission (the one true gem of Clusters) fell victim as well ...
Seems they didn't manage to edit the Dialogue accordingly ...
PS : The only "Diplomacy" left is within in the Doff System, now ...
That's not quite true... one of the missions in the Defera Sector still gives Diplomacy points.
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If it wasn't removed from the fleet dialogue, you don't earn any kind of exploration mark or any pre-f2p marks in the borg sector. In fact, exploration is not part of the game anymore (pretty ironic for a star trek game).
I'm sure there are much more around. I don't think those are lies, they are more oversight Cryptic never bothered fixing.
Speaking of old references to long-removed aspects of the game, I think the NPCs in the Gamma Orionis fleet area still talk about Marks of Valor.
It's just not worth it, carry on.
What was called "exploration" in STO, and the component of that called "diplomacy," were absolutely terrible and you're not missing anything since they've been removed.
Will they ever be replaced by something better? Probably not.
I like that you seem to know the one true way to enjoy this game, the way you are telling people that their terrible content isn't missed
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This Thread is about "First Contact" Missions not "Diplomacy" nor "Exploration per se ... while the first one was technically included in the second one, nobody is talking about "Scan 5 Plants" - Nonsense or something similar ...
Makes me wonder if you actually ever played one ... and if you did, I'd like to know what was so terrible about them ? ... imho they were nice little "Trivia"- Missions, which required actual "reading comprehension" for a change ...
I wish there was someone at Cryptic whose job it would be to regularly audit and fix up *every* piece of copy in STO/NVW/CO.
Just another nail in the "WE WANT BUGS FIXED, NOT MORE BUGGY CONTENT" signpost, really
If a player can check up to see which content would need updating if removing a portion of the game, why can the devs responsible for the removal not?
Smacks of two-facedness, quoting "standards" and "not wanting to confuse new players", then leaving old dialogue in. Nothing confuses new players more than being told how to do something that they cannot do.
Some of this could be fixed by adding doff assignments to each cluster prompt that used the commodities that each commodity broker talks about. Heck, they could add doff assignments for first contact with sepcies in each cluster while they're at it. At the same time, they could fix the broken doff chains (Ghosts of the Jem Hadar has been reported broken since 9.5 launch as well).
I'm not holding my breath though. Not a single aspect of the exploration-removal doesn't upset me, especially in light on the new grinds and patrols that are in DR (which are equally boring, after the first few playthroughs). I suspect they only kept the cluster prompts because they knew there'd be an even bigger riot if they removed the VR doff chains (note the Delta Quadrant has NO clusters for these)?
As for first contact missions.... I did a few, they were glitchy, and lame. Seriously.... After doing them 3 times I quit caring about what the people were talking about and button mashed to get rid of the dialog. As for rewards? CxP.... nothing else.
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Yeah, I read up about this and was really disappointed, all the cluster stuff gone, because cryptic said it wasn't up to date with the rest of the game... so instead of replacing it, (or just leaving it there) they took it out
That would be one hell of a full time job! :eek:
I did play the "first contact" missions. They were stupid and repetitive. Trivia, lol.
You did get to see the ship's observation lounge, at least.
IIRC, you magically appear in a Federation observation lounge, even if you're not in a Federation ship.
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There was another one to do with the Cardies as well iirc. It was in orbit around Bajor iirc?
Exploration of strange new worlds, first contact scenarios, and the exploration of the human condition.
Things that are not in Star Trek Online:
Exploration of strange new worlds, first contact scenarios, and the exploration of the human condition.
Things that are NOT in Star Trek:
Federation-backed Genocide. Slave Trade in the Federation. WMD's (eg, Tharalon) in the Federation. Genetic engineering to improve the species (Augments, illegal).
Things that ARE in Star Trek Online:
Federation-backed Genocide. Slave Trade in the Federation (officers for sale on the exchange). WMD's (eg, Tharalon) in the Federation. Genetic engineering to improve the species (Buy your new trait today!).
I guess if I read it in the game dialogue I should still look it up to see if it's a lie or not...
Me: Did you read past the title? Posts about flying from the bridge are not allowed. They are prohibited.
Game Master Urizor: Yes, and while I understand your suggestions, however, the forums is the best place to discuss suggestions. I apologize for the confusion.
@kirkfat
"The Needs of the Few"
"Return to Terra Nova"
"Explore Delta Volanis, part 1"
"Explore Delta Volanis, part 2"
Also, exploration with light-combat: "Relics" and "Helna of Troy."
I also recommend Forgetmenot's spotlight, which iirc lets you choose between diplomacy and combat.
That's the only thing this game is about these days: tedious grind that takes forever and ever, constantly sucking all the fun out of this game.
[/SIGPIC]
Sounds like fun, I will definitely try those out. If for no other reason than the name "Kirkfat" is awesome. In my low expectations from Cr*ptic I almost completely forgot about the foundry. Thanks!!
Me: Did you read past the title? Posts about flying from the bridge are not allowed. They are prohibited.
Game Master Urizor: Yes, and while I understand your suggestions, however, the forums is the best place to discuss suggestions. I apologize for the confusion.
I think you'll be surprised by the creativity of many Trek fans IF you can find their missions. The UI is terrible and somehow Cryptic thinks it's a good idea to only let you see like 50 missions, most of which are loot grinders outside of the spotlight listings.
There are lots of good authors out there who tell Star Trek stories in a way that Cryptic does not. I don't blame the main writer, who does what she can when her bosses are probably saying...
"We need a story for a two faction game, but don't spend too much time on the Klingons... Now we want to sell a Tholian lockbox... Make it work... OK, now... Dinos with lazerz! Make the story work. OK... now make the Delta Quadrant work!"
Fans don't have to deal with that. We can make the stories that we like to experience. For me, that often involves diplomacy and missions that deal with hot button issues and debates. That fits my perceptions of what Star Trek is all about far more than buckets, shinies, and rinse n' repeat adventure zones.
Anyway, thanks for being open-minded about our fanfic. If more of you played them, maybe they'd fix the UI or devote some schedule time to getting it out of Beta after 3 years or so.