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Why do people hate Neelix?
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Title. I mean, going purely by STO, I can see how some players might be annoyed by him, but he was a great character on Voyager (though not necessarily the best choice for an episodic focus), his personality is distinct...it just seems to me like the universal Neelix-hate is a bit extreme...
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He was always cramping Tuvok's smooth style and embarrassing Janeway. Nelix was good comedic relief but at times, much too serious and cynical when he recalled the attack on his planet.
You're gonna have to contest a lot more than that to convince me of this conclusion. At least Neelix looks pretty normal, talks pretty normal, acts pretty normal and can be walked away from easily.
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I'd lean more toward him being an Ewok, he wasn't quite Jar Jar in my humble opinion. But much like the Ewoks created a /facepalm within the Force, Neelix created a /facepalm in the Delta Quadrant.
What truly made me believe that Anakin/ Darth Vader was evil is that he made 3P0.
Just think of all the pain that robot has caused.
People seem to forget that he was born in an area that there was no Starfleet. The rules were much more relaxed so his attitude is the same, relaxed.
The only thing I don't like is they didn't use him enough in STO. I want more Neelix!
PS I was also glad they gave him the chefs job at WW.
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I think Hogan would have something to say about Neelix, too... maybe the Voth still have his rotted skull?
And that Nekrit Expanse map nonsense... how he wasn't put off the ship, I'll never know.
Now that's just being mean to Jar Jar...
But seriously, Neelix was a badly written character (in my most humble opinion) that just got worse as Voyager went one. And as others have said, his cooking was so bad that even the SHIP got sick from it. The character was a walking cliche that was someones idea of a joke. A really, really bad joke.
I personally enjoy Ethan Phillips (the actor) but can't stand Neelix. Loved his portrayal of Ulis (the Ferengi Captain) on Enterprise.
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He was a little bipolar at times.. Clearly a man putting on an big smile and overblown jubilance to overcompensate for deep wounds it took too long for him to admit to in the life of the series.
And just too many inconsistencies in general.. His character grew and regressed at times on a weekly basis.. it's nearly as bad as "Bones"is becoming, by the 10th season of that show and she's suddenly inexplicably acting as cold and callus as she did toward victim's families again in season 1? Seriously?
On another note http://youtu.be/IfRQJ4tLS7I
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I mean, the man lost his entire family and everything he loved when a weapon of mass destruction was used against his homeworld (or homemoon). Whereas most people would find peace when they eventually die themselves, he was revived to live on with the knowledge of having no chance to ever see his family again after (permanent) death.
And yet... he's one of the most enthusiastic people in all of Star Trek. He's always ready to cheer you up when you're feeling down. Whereas most people in his position would wonder what they're fighting for when all is permanently lost, he inspires his people to defend themselves and leads them to new chances.
His enthusiasm and motivational capacities are unparalleled. We can learn a lot from The Neelix.
Or more specifically, we could learn a lot from Neelix, provided you're able to withstand all the rambling
His flaw I'd say now is that he had far too little development. He was more a tool to develop other people's characters (that preschool style moral confidant role of saying just the right thing to the person in a tough spot). His role in STO, seeing his friend killed for no reason and replying "no, I'm not angry, I feel sorry for you" (paraphrasing) was perhaps a situation such an sociable character should have been put in during the show.
So yes, 5 years ago I'd say he was a ****ing Jar-Jar but now I'd argue he is far more of that and deserving of a lot of respect. He should have had more development and maybe people wouldn't have hated him so much. Maybe people can get a better explanation than the teen angst thing though.
The highlighted part says it all. Neelix developed over the other six and a half seasons, you know. And I'm pretty sure that he became a pretty decent cook. :P
Speaking of developement, other characters on Voyager never changed, like Kim and Chakotay. Even Paris got more responsible later on. Kim and Chakotay remained dull through the entire series.
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Yuck, I am not attracted to Peter Pan looking girls. Jeri Ryan was a step in the right direction.
It only proves Neelix was into little boys.(Can we get a barfing emoticon in the forum?)
I feel that way about a bunch of the post TOS actors and actresses...I try not to hold their Trek work against them.
This statement is far from the truth IMO. Jar Jar was 10x more annoying and had no redeemable factors whatsoever. Heck, he was the moron that motioned to give full executive powers to Darth Sidious in disguise! Completely irredeemable!
Neelix was a down to earth kinda guy. He was relatable and yes he was goofy at times, but nowhere near the extent Jar Jar was.
Ethan Phillips did a great job with this character. There were a number of Neelix episodes that were truly great ones, such as Season 1s "Jetrel" or "Phage". Ya, the whole subplot of Neelix being jealous at Tom Paris was drawn out too long and his character development was very slow later on. Neelix however became a sort of father figure for characters like Naomi Wildman and the liberated Borg children. When **** hit the fan, Neelix always did his best to aid the crew in any way he could. Thats redeeming qualities right there.
Overall though, he certainly isn't my favorite character on VOY but not the worst either. I'm sorry, but that honor belongs to Harry Kim. That doesn't mean he was a bad character though or that Garret Wang is a bad actor. Its just that I felt that his stories were all kind of the same. He was this shows "O'Brien" of Voyager in that he always has the be the one that suffers. Miles O'Brien by comparison I liked a lot more though.
I don't mean to disrespect those that hate Neelix, but sometimes I can't help but wonder if we watched the same show and whether they actually watched The Phantom Menace...
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That's quite an interesting response. I was the same. Hated him for his annoying traits when I was younger but as an adult realised those traits were a cover for a completely broken man.
Don't get me wrong he still annoys the hell out of me at points but I don't hate him.
IMO, Wesley and Jake were so much worse. At least they did something from Nog, so he is on the list only for the first season.
I don't blame the actors per say, but the writers.
That's just me, but I personally think Kes is one of the sexiest girl in ST (excluding Tos). If not the most sexy.
I don't find Seven attractive. Too much between the chin and the belt, it you catch my meaning.
Now, you can bash me all you want.
Come on, Voyager is freak'n Lost in Space without the comedy. To top it off most of the characters were boring and uninteresting, the series was going down hill so fast that they needed to introduce T&A ala female Borg to kick some life into the series. Heck the producers were having major shouting match and disagreements behind screen. If it wasn't for the UPN network, the series would have remained in the toilet and ended I think by season 2 or 3.
In its defense:
I like Janeway, the character was fleshed out very well.
Neelix was the worst of them all, incompetent, boring, all his episodes with him as lead was a grind to watch. He should have been killed off in the very first ep, and quickly at that. And yes, please compare him to Jar Jar Binks, though he can talk, he was an overall idiot altogether.
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Just to explain myself in detail ... remember when Kes & Neelix wanted to join the Briefings with some "I'm the 1st Talaxian & Kes is the 1st Ocampa on the Ship" - BS ... that's says about everything ... Kes was actually worse, they struggled to find some use for her, other than being the Alibi-Alien for much longer ... at least Neelix cooked from the beginning ...
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In a nutshell, Neelix is a horrible, horrible person and a terrible failed clown.
^^ This. He is basically just a caricature.