People who are disappointed will usually keep playing because of the sunk cost fallacy. If people spend a lot of time levelling a character, they are much less likely to admit to themselves later the MMO isn't as fun as they thought, because it would be an admission of loss. Same thing holds true for gambling. People keep buying lottery tickets even though they have almost zero chance of winning, because to stop would be to admit the previous money was lost. If a veteran player isn't having fun, they are likely to keep playing because of the significant time/money investment MMOs require.
Though seeing as OP has 4 posts, another one of those who mysteriously jumps on to say "Oh wow I love you Cryptic, lets have babies" then disappears again.
Don't trust them, no credibility.
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
OP just wants to provoke/troll i think. Can't imagine that it's ment serious.
"Gambling Trek" and perpetuive killing.
Thats what Star Trek was all about?
I guess, everything has to obey the market at one point of time.
People who are disappointed will usually keep playing because of the sunk cost fallacy. If people spend a lot of time levelling a character, they are much less likely to admit to themselves later the MMO isn't as fun as they thought, because it would be an admission of loss. Same thing holds true for gambling. People keep buying lottery tickets even though they have almost zero chance of winning, because to stop would be to admit the previous money was lost. If a veteran player isn't having fun, they are likely to keep playing because of the significant time/money investment MMOs require.
The OP apparently likes the game. He/She is expressing this like in the forums. Why is this a problem? I find it refreshing there is someone here who is projecting positive energy about STO. It is so very different from the norm.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
I guess my past few years of playing this game (since the day it went F2P) don't count, hey? 'Cause nothing here has run me off, I tell you what. Haven't spent any money, either - I'm a lousy freeloader, the closest I've come to spending was when I gathered up my Dil, bought some Zen, and picked up the T1 Connie.
Lol.
Now I've heard everything. I wonder how many other CDFers are like you. Now I see why you love this game so much and why you are such a fan. It's because you don't pay a penny to the game!
The haters that do actually or have actually paid money some of it a massive amount, have more say in this game than you should being that you don't pay Cryptic anything.
Your opinions meant nothing to me before this post as you were just a Cryptic fluffer, but now others can see that you opinions mean less than belly fluff, as you don't even contribute to Cryptic.
At least I paid for the game when it was released to my shame and even though my opinion means diddly, at least I paid for my opinion.
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
And you know, for someone who swore off Fleets , you sure come here a lot to interact with players .
Same as a certain Cosmic one who claims he cares about the game as much as he does a Starbucks coffee, but spends a massive amount of time defending this game and Cryptic.
He must really, really love his Starbucks coffee;)
A lot of the preachers and CDFers spend a lot of time on these forums and that's why they have post counts in their 1000s, because they truly love to spend their time on the forums instead of playing the game they love so much.
I think most of them are bored just like the haters, but they don't want to admit it.
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
It's not so black and white y'know. Gaming consumers are notoriously fickle, one day they'll be in here ripping the game apart and poking the pieces with a pitchfork - a few patches later all the problems are gone and they elaborate on how the devs really do care and so on.
As for my post number well...I've spend the vast amount of time posting rubbish in the DOOM or now the Best Expansion Ever threads. Other times is merely offering neutral opinions...about as neutral as this place can get...and those very rare occasions where I'm actually helping someone. Fancy that.
And yes, I am a pure F2P freeloader. It doesn't make my own experience any less valid, I pay my way with time, not money. It amounts to the same thing.
I took about an 8 month break from STO around anniversary time this year. From the looks of it, there are many people on these forums who could use a break...
And yes, I am a pure F2P freeloader. It doesn't make my own experience any less valid, I pay my way with time, not money. It amounts to the same thing.
See I don't agree with you there.
As a paying or paid customer to this game, I believe you have the right to an opinion and if you don't like the game or aspects of it, they yes come here and tell others. Equally as a paying or paid customer and you do like the game, then you can come here and tell others too.
However, if you don't contribute any money to the game, then I'm sorry your cannot come on to the forums and complain about things or equally come on and tell others that the everything is awesome and get lost if your not happy.
It's the same debate I have with people that complain about the government and how it sucks and they don't do it right blah blah blah, but yet they don't vote. If you don't vote, you don't get a right to complain.
Paying with your time and not with money is not the same thing. Even if you contribute £5, at least you've contributed to the game (more fool you), however paying zippo and complaining well what can I say.
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
That's because most of the interaction I have in the forums isn't along the lines of, "Give us all your valuables. Now go away."
Your right, it's more "everything is awesome. Now go away".
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
As a paying or paid customer to this game, I believe you have the right to an opinion and if you don't like the game or aspects of it, they yes come here and tell others. Equally as a paying or paid customer and you do like the game, then you can come here and tell others too.
However, if you don't contribute any money to the game, then I'm sorry your cannot come on to the forums and complain about things or equally come on and tell others that the everything is awesome and get lost if your not happy.
It's the same debate I have with people that complain about the government and how it sucks and they don't do it right blah blah blah, but yet they don't vote. If you don't vote, you don't get a right to complain.
Paying with your time and not with money is not the same thing. Even if you contribute £5, at least you've contributed to the game (more fool you), however paying zippo and complaining well what can I say.
F2p are an healthy part of any f2p. Paying customer doesn't like to play alone. Also, paying customers (as a whole, not as individual), like to show off to f2p. And for the devs, that's good, because that mean the f2p might be tempted that way.
That's a basic rule. As in, very basic.
So, in fact, his opinion is as much valuable than anyone else. Unless you have a fake f2p like SWTOR, which is more try for free, and pay to play.
F2p are an healthy part of any f2p. Paying customer doesn't like to play alone. Also, paying customers (as a whole, not as individual), like to show off to f2p. And for the devs, that's good, because that mean the f2p might be tempted that way.
That's a basic rule. As in, very basic.
So, in fact, his opinion is as much valuable than anyone else. Unless you have a fake f2p like SWTOR, which is more try for free, and pay to play.
Okay, I can dig that and I hear what your saying, however there's a difference between an opinion and a complaint or at least I think there is.
Oh and is SWTOR more of a fake f2p then STO? I think not. Your bias is showing there.
At least SWTOR has an actual game you can play with content. STO? Yep, zip.
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
Okay, I can dig that and I hear what your saying, however there's a difference between an opinion and a complaint or at least I think there is.
Complaint are opinions. Some are better voiced than other, but f2p and p2p as nothing to do with that.
Oh and is SWTOR more of a fake f2p then STO? I think not. Your bias is showing there.
At least SWTOR has an actual game you can play with content. STO? Yep, zip.
You can't play the endgame content without paying for the expansions (and the level cap). Unless you want to play mostly alone, without any content addition.
That's why I call it a "fake" f2p. Sure you can do all the vanilla leveling for free, but once it's done, you have to pay. And there are no alternative for that like in DDO/LOTRO. Pay, or no endgame.
Expansions, and by extension, endgame (no pun intended) in STO are free. In fact, ALL the content of STO is free.
So... is this a bad time to come back to the game lol?
It's the worst time to come back. Prepare for endless grind, nerfed rewards, broken game mechanics, empty queues, new bugs and loosing all your ressources (ec/dil) to the upgrade lottery...
Complaint are opinions. Some are better voiced than other, but f2p and p2p as nothing to do with that.
You can't play the endgame content without paying for the expansions (and the level cap). Unless you want to play mostly alone, without any content addition.
That's why I call it a "fake" f2p. Sure you can do all the vanilla leveling for free, but once it's done, you have to pay. And there are no alternative for that like in DDO/LOTRO. Pay, or no endgame.
Expansions, and by extension, endgame (no pun intended) in STO are free. In fact, ALL the content of STO is free.
Anyway, I didn't want to start a debate on SWTOR.
Actually you did start a debate on SWTOR when you called it a fake F2P.
I will concede some of the points you make that you have to pay for in SWTOR, however it's still f2p.
F2P doesn't necessarily mean everything is free and if you believe a game has to be totally free to play to equal f2p, then so bit it. I don't.
TBH, I don't play any F2P games without subscribing to them hence why I sub to SWTOR. I think f2p is the worst thing to happen to MMOs however I'm old school so what do I know.
All content may be free in STO, however you and I both know to get anything in this game equals grind, grind like no tomorrow and it's also a tedious and dull grind if what I read on hear and on the countless other forums and how do you get past this grind? Pay. So I could argue that at least SWTOR is upfront about what you have to pay for, STO just pretends to be a f2p.
So to sum up, SWTOR maybe a fakeF2p game, however the vanilla part that you mentioned, still has more content then the whole of the 4 years of STO. I would even submit it's no where near as tedious too:D
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
It's the same debate I have with people that complain about the government and how it sucks and they don't do it right blah blah blah, but yet they don't vote. If you don't vote, you don't get a right to complain.
Actually that's a load of total [redacted]. The Government is a corporate construct that you are forced into agreeing has power over you. If you disagree, it reacts with force in one manner or another. It's an illusion of power backed up by the will of people who want power and are slaves to it.
The argument that you have to comply because you live in the Gov's jurisdiction is no different than having to pay a Mafia boss protection money. The result of not paying is the same either way, you will be harmed either physically or mentally as well as financially.
So to say that one has no right to complain if they don't vote, well, F*** that SH**. I have no need or want to be governed. I have no need or want to be forced to pay protection money to someone for the claim of being allowed to stay on the land I was staying on anyway.
The illusion of Government Authority is exactly that, AN ILLUSION. We allow Corporate entities the ability to discard basic morality and in turn it's biting us in the TRIBBLE.
As for the rest of this topic, it's a bit pointless really. Thanking them for TRIBBLE their own game up? Irony much...
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
And back in reality. If you don't vote, you don't get a say.
IMHO!!!:)
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
The illusion of Government Authority is exactly that, AN ILLUSION.
Any social organization is a mutually shared fantasy. I include hives with this statement as well. Some organisms act according to arbitrary social impulses (be they conventional or pheromonal) in order to create some system or another that without said cooperation couldn't spontaneously form (see. why ducks don't have a government.)
That said, the primary force maintaining such organizations isn't force. Its social intertia. The larger the organization (in time and space), the more it has and the more it doesn't have to do (over the short term) to sustain itself. People will simply go along with it because that's what the larger social body has done for however long that organization has been in place. Its mob psychology (ie. that component of human behavior which has been adapted to function according to social stimuli) and force is generally applied when certain individuals don't understand how to use it (at a purely intuitive level, which is more the exception than the rule when dealing with politicians) OR when new social systems need to be created (in order to break existing conventions).
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And back in reality. If you don't vote, you don't get a say.
IMHO!!!:)
Hippie stuff? You're funny. Most of the information I find on this topic is by University Professor's and other high level academics who've studied it in detail. Whether it's repeated by hippie's or other's I wouldn't know.
Also I couldn't give a flying fark if you think that "no vote = no say". The entire concept of that is BS. You aren't part of the event either way. The votes are bought and paid for, the chances of single people making a difference when there are statistician's who manipulate the voting areas on purpose to increase odds in favour one way or the other has far more impact. Ever asked yourself why standing in front of a camera spewing BS pays better than working a 50hr work week??
Any social organization is a mutually shared fantasy. I include hives with this statement as well. Some organisms act according to arbitrary social impulses (be they conventional or pheromonal) in order to create some system or another that without said cooperation couldn't spontaneously form (see. why ducks don't have a government.)
That said, the primary force maintaining such organizations isn't force. Its social intertia. The larger the organization, the more it has and the more it doesn't have to do (over the short term) to sustain itself. People will simply go along with it because that's what the larger social body has done for however long that organization has been in place. Its mob psychology (ie. that component of human behavior which has been adapted to function according to social stimuli) and force is generally applied when certain individuals don't understand how to use it (at a purely intuitive level, which is more the exception than the rule when dealing with politicians).
Unfortunately mob psychology only works well when manipulated from a higher level. For instance you want to put a piece of legislation through parliament/senate however it's going to be unpopular without some reasoning to put it through as it removes peoples rights and freedoms without proper just cause, though it does enrich you or other parties in the process. So to push it through you create a situation which will galvanise popular opinion towards "change". Most people are unaware that to legislators change means they can put whatever they like in a piece of legislation and it gets passed because it's written in a manner that normal people cannot comprehend.
Suddenly the people have their change, they feel satiated, but they haven't got a clue that the change they got is something that will be a negative on their life. They may complain later but those "voters who had their say" got screwed for it due to ignorance and manipulation. That is how mob rule works and it's most obvious in the USA and Australia currently. UK less so as the people are becoming more and more fractious with the actions of Parliament.
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
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Shhh! Saying good things about the game isn't allowed! You gotta be a part of the herd! :rolleyes:
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
Don't trust them, no credibility.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
"Gambling Trek" and perpetuive killing.
Thats what Star Trek was all about?
I guess, everything has to obey the market at one point of time.
Holy Grail of Gamification is Addiction | 5 Ways to Accomplisch | and the Psychology of Freemium
Get out of my head.... it hurts!
Just imagine, STO must be fantastic in the there
Holy Grail of Gamification is Addiction | 5 Ways to Accomplisch | and the Psychology of Freemium
And you know, for someone who swore off Fleets , you sure come here a lot to interact with players .
Lol.
Now I've heard everything. I wonder how many other CDFers are like you. Now I see why you love this game so much and why you are such a fan. It's because you don't pay a penny to the game!
The haters that do actually or have actually paid money some of it a massive amount, have more say in this game than you should being that you don't pay Cryptic anything.
Your opinions meant nothing to me before this post as you were just a Cryptic fluffer, but now others can see that you opinions mean less than belly fluff, as you don't even contribute to Cryptic.
At least I paid for the game when it was released to my shame and even though my opinion means diddly, at least I paid for my opinion.
Same as a certain Cosmic one who claims he cares about the game as much as he does a Starbucks coffee, but spends a massive amount of time defending this game and Cryptic.
He must really, really love his Starbucks coffee;)
A lot of the preachers and CDFers spend a lot of time on these forums and that's why they have post counts in their 1000s, because they truly love to spend their time on the forums instead of playing the game they love so much.
I think most of them are bored just like the haters, but they don't want to admit it.
As for my post number well...I've spend the vast amount of time posting rubbish in the DOOM or now the Best Expansion Ever threads. Other times is merely offering neutral opinions...about as neutral as this place can get...and those very rare occasions where I'm actually helping someone. Fancy that.
And yes, I am a pure F2P freeloader. It doesn't make my own experience any less valid, I pay my way with time, not money. It amounts to the same thing.
Why do people **** on people who don't like the game? They are entitled to their opinions?
See I don't agree with you there.
As a paying or paid customer to this game, I believe you have the right to an opinion and if you don't like the game or aspects of it, they yes come here and tell others. Equally as a paying or paid customer and you do like the game, then you can come here and tell others too.
However, if you don't contribute any money to the game, then I'm sorry your cannot come on to the forums and complain about things or equally come on and tell others that the everything is awesome and get lost if your not happy.
It's the same debate I have with people that complain about the government and how it sucks and they don't do it right blah blah blah, but yet they don't vote. If you don't vote, you don't get a right to complain.
Paying with your time and not with money is not the same thing. Even if you contribute £5, at least you've contributed to the game (more fool you), however paying zippo and complaining well what can I say.
Your right, it's more "everything is awesome. Now go away".
That's a basic rule. As in, very basic.
So, in fact, his opinion is as much valuable than anyone else. Unless you have a fake f2p like SWTOR, which is more try for free, and pay to play.
Okay, I can dig that and I hear what your saying, however there's a difference between an opinion and a complaint or at least I think there is.
Oh and is SWTOR more of a fake f2p then STO? I think not. Your bias is showing there.
At least SWTOR has an actual game you can play with content. STO? Yep, zip.
You can't play the endgame content without paying for the expansions (and the level cap). Unless you want to play mostly alone, without any content addition.
That's why I call it a "fake" f2p. Sure you can do all the vanilla leveling for free, but once it's done, you have to pay. And there are no alternative for that like in DDO/LOTRO. Pay, or no endgame.
Expansions, and by extension, endgame (no pun intended) in STO are free. In fact, ALL the content of STO is free.
Anyway, I didn't want to start a debate on SWTOR.
Sounds to me like you have had some bad luck with fleets.
Actually you did start a debate on SWTOR when you called it a fake F2P.
I will concede some of the points you make that you have to pay for in SWTOR, however it's still f2p.
F2P doesn't necessarily mean everything is free and if you believe a game has to be totally free to play to equal f2p, then so bit it. I don't.
TBH, I don't play any F2P games without subscribing to them hence why I sub to SWTOR. I think f2p is the worst thing to happen to MMOs however I'm old school so what do I know.
All content may be free in STO, however you and I both know to get anything in this game equals grind, grind like no tomorrow and it's also a tedious and dull grind if what I read on hear and on the countless other forums and how do you get past this grind? Pay. So I could argue that at least SWTOR is upfront about what you have to pay for, STO just pretends to be a f2p.
So to sum up, SWTOR maybe a fakeF2p game, however the vanilla part that you mentioned, still has more content then the whole of the 4 years of STO. I would even submit it's no where near as tedious too:D
Actually that's a load of total [redacted]. The Government is a corporate construct that you are forced into agreeing has power over you. If you disagree, it reacts with force in one manner or another. It's an illusion of power backed up by the will of people who want power and are slaves to it.
The argument that you have to comply because you live in the Gov's jurisdiction is no different than having to pay a Mafia boss protection money. The result of not paying is the same either way, you will be harmed either physically or mentally as well as financially.
So to say that one has no right to complain if they don't vote, well, F*** that SH**. I have no need or want to be governed. I have no need or want to be forced to pay protection money to someone for the claim of being allowed to stay on the land I was staying on anyway.
The illusion of Government Authority is exactly that, AN ILLUSION. We allow Corporate entities the ability to discard basic morality and in turn it's biting us in the TRIBBLE.
As for the rest of this topic, it's a bit pointless really. Thanking them for TRIBBLE their own game up? Irony much...
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
And back in reality. If you don't vote, you don't get a say.
IMHO!!!:)
Any social organization is a mutually shared fantasy. I include hives with this statement as well. Some organisms act according to arbitrary social impulses (be they conventional or pheromonal) in order to create some system or another that without said cooperation couldn't spontaneously form (see. why ducks don't have a government.)
That said, the primary force maintaining such organizations isn't force. Its social intertia. The larger the organization (in time and space), the more it has and the more it doesn't have to do (over the short term) to sustain itself. People will simply go along with it because that's what the larger social body has done for however long that organization has been in place. Its mob psychology (ie. that component of human behavior which has been adapted to function according to social stimuli) and force is generally applied when certain individuals don't understand how to use it (at a purely intuitive level, which is more the exception than the rule when dealing with politicians) OR when new social systems need to be created (in order to break existing conventions).
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Hippie stuff? You're funny. Most of the information I find on this topic is by University Professor's and other high level academics who've studied it in detail. Whether it's repeated by hippie's or other's I wouldn't know.
Also I couldn't give a flying fark if you think that "no vote = no say". The entire concept of that is BS. You aren't part of the event either way. The votes are bought and paid for, the chances of single people making a difference when there are statistician's who manipulate the voting areas on purpose to increase odds in favour one way or the other has far more impact. Ever asked yourself why standing in front of a camera spewing BS pays better than working a 50hr work week??
Unfortunately mob psychology only works well when manipulated from a higher level. For instance you want to put a piece of legislation through parliament/senate however it's going to be unpopular without some reasoning to put it through as it removes peoples rights and freedoms without proper just cause, though it does enrich you or other parties in the process. So to push it through you create a situation which will galvanise popular opinion towards "change". Most people are unaware that to legislators change means they can put whatever they like in a piece of legislation and it gets passed because it's written in a manner that normal people cannot comprehend.
Suddenly the people have their change, they feel satiated, but they haven't got a clue that the change they got is something that will be a negative on their life. They may complain later but those "voters who had their say" got screwed for it due to ignorance and manipulation. That is how mob rule works and it's most obvious in the USA and Australia currently. UK less so as the people are becoming more and more fractious with the actions of Parliament.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."