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willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
I still don´t understand why we don´t have access to the Starfleet Uniforms. At least the mirror Uniforms should be available for them. And the Romulans also can´t wear the MACO Armor but the Counter-Command uniform and the Delta-Reputation Armor?
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  • xiaoping88xiaoping88 Member Posts: 1,493 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    @Starfleet uniforms: they are not Starfleet officers, so they do not wear the uniforms. They are Romulan Republic officers from the Embassy. It's an exchange program, not an assimilation program.

    @Reputation armors: no idea...
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  • goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    What uniform possibilities are available to them? Romulan uniforms? If I have a Romulan BOFF on my Klingon K'tinga...what's available?
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  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    goodscotch wrote: »
    What uniform possibilities are available to them? Romulan uniforms? If I have a Romulan BOFF on my Klingon K'tinga...what's available?

    Only the Standard Romulan uniforms, Civilan Vest and, if you bought them the Dyson Uniform, the Romulan TNG Uniform or the Romulan uniform from TOS
  • n00b1001n00b1001 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    My romulan Fleet Admiral can wear Klingon uniforms. Nuff said.
  • sle1989sle1989 Member Posts: 552 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Oddly enough, my embassy boff can wear all romulan cstore uniforms, all veteran uniforms, all fleet holding uniforms, and all rep armors (minus MACO and Oddy uniforms) but it can't wear the standard republic uniform or allied uniform.

    Now, the patch notes do say this:
    • These uniform options will not include faction specific uniforms such as Starfleet uniforms.

    So does that include Republic uniforms too then, or was that just intended to mean Starfleet and KDF uniforms?
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Now we just need you guys at Cryptic to work on that Reman FE Reward, and I'll be most pleased. :D
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I, for one, want to thank Cryptic (Bort?) for fixing this! It means a lot to me to finally have my boffs have their full body parts again.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    I, for one, want to thank Cryptic (Bort?) for fixing this! It means a lot to me to finally have my boffs have their full body parts again.
    I take it you checked thoroughly all their body parts ? :)

    Yes, it's definitely a step in a good direction. I hope they'll follow up, and makes the other non customizable BOFF customizable. Even if it's limited.
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  • goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Also, does his uniform modification also include the ability to modify the Romulan BOFF's physical appearance such as face, body, etc. ?
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  • jonathanlonehawkjonathanlonehawk Member Posts: 674 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    goodscotch wrote: »
    Also, does his uniform modification also include the ability to modify the Romulan BOFF's physical appearance such as face, body, etc. ?

    Yes, all the body/face mods for romulans are there.
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  • carlosbflycarlosbfly Member Posts: 682 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Romulan BOFF customisation still has problems now and they've only be there since the patch today. Now, no matter what trousers you wear, it will begin to effect and change the clothing on top. Essentially, you have to have the same palette colour on your top and bottom. The same for gloves. If put A4 on your cloves, your shirt and trousers will automatically change to A4.

    It wasn't like this yesterday. I could have black trousers on Reinforced trousers and, say, green trousers on the Itel jacket. This needs fixing ASAP as it clearly wasn't intended.
  • sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I still don´t understand why we don´t have access to the Starfleet Uniforms. At least the mirror Uniforms should be available for them. And the Romulans also can´t wear the MACO Armor but the Counter-Command uniform and the Delta-Reputation Armor?

    I've been asking this question as well for quite some time.

    Although there have been player comments that "They're Romulan Republic, therefore not Starfleet," that is still merely an arbitrary lore-imposed restriction. I mean, perhaps someone wants to keep their Embassy BOff as mere exchange officers, but maybe someone else has an alternative backstory that said Romulan received a full Starfleet commission from the outset.

    What's the worst thing that could happen if the uniform restrictions are lifted, from a gameplay / monetization point of view?

    - Does it make it harder for players to tell what type of BOff they or other players have?
    - Will it cut into the revenue of a potential monetization strategy (e.g. C-store purchase of foreign faction BOff species?)
    - Would it break something else in the game?
    - Did CBS simply say no?

    I would very much like to hear an official statement as to why this limitation is in place.
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  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    sumghai wrote: »
    I've been asking this question as well for quite some time.

    Although there have been player comments that "They're Romulan Republic, therefore not Starfleet," that is still merely an arbitrary lore-imposed restriction. I mean, perhaps someone wants to keep their Embassy BOff as mere exchange officers, but maybe someone else has an alternative backstory that said Romulan received a full Starfleet commission from the outset.

    What's the worst thing that could happen if the uniform restrictions are lifted, from a gameplay / monetization point of view?

    - Does it make it harder for players to tell what type of BOff they or other players have?
    - Will it cut into the revenue of a potential monetization strategy (e.g. C-store purchase of foreign faction BOff species?)
    - Would it break something else in the game?
    - Did CBS simply say no?

    I would very much like to hear an official statement as to why this limitation is in place.

    Exactly. Their backstory is very simple for me. They did an very good job on my Ships and asked me to talk to D´Tan and Admiral Kererek and assk them, on their behalf, if the Officers could be transferred to Starfleet permanently and join Starfleets Ranks with a field Commission. The Admiral and D´Tan were very pleased that Romulans and Starfleet could work together so good and therefore, they agreed and those officers are a part of Starfleet now.

    And btw, i would never ever grant a mere Exchange Officer, no matter if Republic or Empire, access to all the Systems and Data/Information on a Starfleet Ship and in the Starfleet Databanks.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,897 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Exactly. Their backstory is very simple for me. They did an very good job on my Ships and asked me to talk to D´Tan and Admiral Kererek and assk them, on their behalf, if the Officers could be transferred to Starfleet permanently and join Starfleets Ranks with a field Commission. The Admiral and D´Tan were very pleased that Romulans and Starfleet could work together so good and therefore, they agreed and those officers are a part of Starfleet now.

    And btw, i would never ever grant a mere Exchange Officer, no matter if Republic or Empire, access to all the Systems and Data/Information on a Starfleet Ship and in the Starfleet Databanks.

    Why would you talk for them instead of them doing it themselves? Seems kinda odd they'd ask you to do it instead of asking...

    How much formal training have these officers had? We knew the player starts off as a civilian farmer...maybe Starfleet would still require them to attend the academy in order to hold a official Starfleet rank? Considering if took over 4 years to make it from 2409 to 2410 I think you can expect to get your boff back in 2030! :D
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  • sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Exactly. Their backstory is very simple for me. They did an very good job on my Ships and asked me to talk to D´Tan and Admiral Kererek and assk them, on their behalf, if the Officers could be transferred to Starfleet permanently and join Starfleets Ranks with a field Commission. The Admiral and D´Tan were very pleased that Romulans and Starfleet could work together so good and therefore, they agreed and those officers are a part of Starfleet now.

    And btw, i would never ever grant a mere Exchange Officer, no matter if Republic or Empire, access to all the Systems and Data/Information on a Starfleet Ship and in the Starfleet Databanks.

    I'm currently using an aliengen fauxRomulan for one of my BOffs, whose backstory is that he grew up on an unaligned Romulan colony world, was inspired to join Starfleet after seeing a Federation ship rescue miners from a mine collapse in his hometown, and did the full four years at the Academy.

    I'm not trying to force all Embassy BOffs to be aligned to either host faction - I'm merely asking that the uniform restrictions be lifted so that everyone can be happy.
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Why would you talk for them instead of them doing it themselves? Seems kinda odd they'd ask you to do it instead of asking...

    How much formal training have these officers had? We knew the player starts off as a civilian farmer...maybe Starfleet would still require them to attend the academy in order to hold a official Starfleet rank? Considering if took over 4 years to make it from 2409 to 2410 I think you can expect to get your boff back in 2030! :D

    In some cases, provisional or emergency commissions without full Academy training are permissible:

    - Kira Nerys, the Bajoran Militia officer serving as DS9's XO, was granted a commission as a Commander in Starfleet in 2375, to assist the Cardassian Resistance against Dominion occupation.

    - The non-canon DC Comics series about the TWok era Enterprise-A featured a Klingon defector named Konom, who joined the crew as an Hononary Ensign, complete with uniform.

    Even if we limit ourselves to the canon, a case was still made to allow Kira to hold her Starfleet commission without having to attend the full four-year course at the Academy. So who is to say that any given Embassy BOff couldn't have done so as well?
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I've said this many times, I'm going to repeat it once again:

    SILLY. ARBITRARY. DECISIONS.
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I'm just surprised they can't at least use the Rom Republic uniforms, or the FedRom/KDFRom variant uniforms. I wouldn't want to put them in Starfleet pajamas or Klingon Kiss-groupie gear, but at least the proper Republic stuff. I mean its better than looking like a homeless guy, but still...
  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    if they could wear also the kits costumes parts (belts, chest gear etc) it would be great.

    And WHY females can't wear the mercenary belt?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Something having a logical reason that one does not understand or is unable to comprehend does not make it an arbitrary decision...

    If they wanted Starfleet or KDF Romulans, they would have them. If they want to add them somewhere down the road, they will do so.

    We might get factional Rom BOFFs for 500 Zen somewhere down the road.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Something having a logical reason that one does not understand or is unable to comprehend does not make it an arbitrary decision...

    If they wanted Starfleet or KDF Romulans, they would have them. If they want to add them somewhere down the road, they will do so.

    We might get factional Rom BOFFs for 500 Zen somewhere down the road.

    Riiiiiiiight.....:rolleyes:
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    It's nice to have customizable Romulan boffs now, but with the palette issues it has right now, it might as well not be.

    Still, a nice precedent. Hopefully they'll consider overhauling some of the other un-customizable boffs down the road.

    It would be ncie to have the fed/kdf uniforms open to usage and/or the republic uniforms though.
  • xiaoping88xiaoping88 Member Posts: 1,493 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    shpoks wrote: »

    Well, as I see it, he is indeed right.

    You can't expect to get B when only A is ingame right now.
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  • tilarium1979tilarium1979 Member Posts: 567 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    For the record, one of my Federation Captains is a Romulan that joined Starfleet. Did his 4 years at the academy and was the last surviving bridge officer on his ship when the borg attacked a colony. He took command and added in the defense of the colony and helped to hold the borg at bay until reinforcements arrived. So yeah... Romulans can be in Starfleet too.
  • xiaoping88xiaoping88 Member Posts: 1,493 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    For the record, one of my Federation Captains is a Romulan that joined Starfleet. Did his 4 years at the academy and was the last surviving bridge officer on his ship when the borg attacked a colony. He took command and added in the defense of the colony and helped to hold the borg at bay until reinforcements arrived. So yeah... Romulans can be in Starfleet too.

    Your personal RP changes nothing, though.

    You can pretend your Galaxy class is a T5U Constitution. But it is not.
    You can pretend Embassy Romulans are Starfleet officers. But they are not.
    I am not okay with it either, but that's how it is.

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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    For the record, one of my Federation Captains is a Romulan that joined Starfleet. Did his 4 years at the academy and was the last surviving bridge officer on his ship when the borg attacked a colony. He took command and added in the defense of the colony and helped to hold the borg at bay until reinforcements arrived. So yeah... Romulans can be in Starfleet too.

    /facepalm :rolleyes:
    xiaoping88 wrote: »
    Your personal RP changes nothing, though.

    You can pretend your Galaxy class is a T5U Constitution. But it is not.
    You can pretend Embassy Romulans are Starfleet officers. But they are not.
    I am not okay with it either, but that's how it is.

    You can play your main character like you want, that is fine.

    Your reply was much kinder than my initial reply.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,897 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    sumghai wrote: »


    In some cases, provisional or emergency commissions without full Academy training are permissible:

    - Kira Nerys, the Bajoran Militia officer serving as DS9's XO, was granted a commission as a Commander in Starfleet in 2375, to assist the Cardassian Resistance against Dominion occupation.

    - The non-canon DC Comics series about the TWok era Enterprise-A featured a Klingon defector named Konom, who joined the crew as an Hononary Ensign, complete with uniform.

    Even if we limit ourselves to the canon, a case was still made to allow Kira to hold her Starfleet commission without having to attend the full four-year course at the Academy. So who is to say that any given Embassy BOff couldn't have done so as well?

    Except that rank really didn't mean much in Kira's case and even if it did she clearly wasn't going to stay. It was mostly a facade to make her look Starfleet and she wasn't going to stay there.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    xiaoping88 wrote: »
    Well, as I see it, he is indeed right.

    You can't expect to get B when only A is ingame right now.
    Only Embassy Romulan Boffs are ingame, no Starfleet Romulan Boffs.

    I'm not expecting 'B', I know better than that. I'm saying 'B' is a stupid arbitrary decision, which it totally is. Or are you guys going to try and convince me that Cryptic actually cares about lore and consistency next?
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  • xiaoping88xiaoping88 Member Posts: 1,493 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    I'm not expecting 'B', I know better than that. I'm saying 'B' is a stupid arbitrary decision, which it totally is. Or are you guys going to try and convince me that Cryptic actually cares about lore and consistency next?

    I wouldn't embarrass myself by saying such a thing. :P
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  • sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Something having a logical reason that one does not understand or is unable to comprehend does not make it an arbitrary decision...

    If they wanted Starfleet or KDF Romulans, they would have them. If they want to add them somewhere down the road, they will do so.

    We might get factional Rom BOFFs for 500 Zen somewhere down the road.

    I'm not demanding the devs to lift the factional uniform restricts immediately.

    I'm asking why the current restrictions are in place, other than for arbitrary lore reasons - does lifting the restrictions now diminsh other players' enjoyment, or adversely affect future plans for monetization?

    Hence my request for an official answer.
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