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... but for some reason you refuse to accept it.
Here is what an armchair psychologist blogger has to offer:
http://www.destructoid.com/armchair-psychology-why-we-keep-playing-bad-games-284321.phtml
In short - any excuse for not leaving a game you no longer enjoy like "I have already invested so much into it" or "all my friends are here" are just excuses.
No matter how much you spend on the game already in money or time, if you keep playing it, you will spend more - and if it's not giving you what you really want, then it's just wasteful.
If you have friends here - get them to play another game with you. There are no other Star Trek MMOs out there right now, but you can't tell me that Star Trek is the only franchise or game you're interested in!
All the stuff you can "earn" in the game via grind is neat and what not - but it only matters if you enjoy the journey getting there. If the grind is not fun, the reward won't be rewarding, it will be empty and not actually grant you any gaming happiness.
Here is what an armchair psychologist blogger has to offer:
http://www.destructoid.com/armchair-psychology-why-we-keep-playing-bad-games-284321.phtml
In short - any excuse for not leaving a game you no longer enjoy like "I have already invested so much into it" or "all my friends are here" are just excuses.
No matter how much you spend on the game already in money or time, if you keep playing it, you will spend more - and if it's not giving you what you really want, then it's just wasteful.
If you have friends here - get them to play another game with you. There are no other Star Trek MMOs out there right now, but you can't tell me that Star Trek is the only franchise or game you're interested in!
All the stuff you can "earn" in the game via grind is neat and what not - but it only matters if you enjoy the journey getting there. If the grind is not fun, the reward won't be rewarding, it will be empty and not actually grant you any gaming happiness.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
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Ill be on for this free ship but after that?? I cant say. They have ruined alot of the game for me so i duno if i can be bothered. Im playin wot til star citizen is up and running
I want to enjoy it. I really do, but when I log in, I'm confronted to the sad truth.
The "don't like then leave" was never an argument. It's the Godwin point of whine thread.
I cant see them fixin it enough. Theyd have to admit what they have done hasnt worked and i cant see that happening- id be happy if they reset the server to before dr started!! Keep any money ive spent itd be worth it
Free Tibet!
See, that's exactly the kind of mentality the blogger warns about. That's why Cryptic has all these events, basically. "Oh, I think I may leave. But just this one event... Just a few more marks...
What do you need the ship for if you want to leave?
As long as you're still worry about missing out something on a game, you're not done with it, you're not leaving.
Try the opposite perhaps. Play through the Winter Event and do not do the event. Just don't. Earn no autographs for the week. If you can do that, you can probably easily leave the game behind.
And you can leave and still come back later. Maybe you missed out on a few things. But you'll survive it. I was gone for 2 years and missed quite a few events and giveaways.
But why bother playing if it's not fun? If it's gonna be fun again, and you can come back, won't you enjoy doing reps and doffs and R&R dailies, since instead of reminding you how unfun tbe game is, you see how much fun it is?
The other game I left was Mechwarrior Online: i considered doing some of the special events, special sales or keep playing to grind some C-Bills. But ultimately - I wasn't having fun anymore. Just let it go. Should it become a good game finally, I can still d it then and gladly do it. And if it takes some extra work or even money - so be it, it will be for something I enjoy, not something I dread.
I would quit but I have made some good friends who seem to be well entrenched here, I just log in to chat for the most part and to keep up to date with things although not for nearly a week
Ive already got like 600 autos so ill do it- i like the winter event its everything else lol ill do that and races for some delta marks-thats it-and this is content i enjoy. I agree that inwont do what i dont find fun(which is alot) but this i dont mind. U shoukd look into tanks m8 its pvp and fun. Clan wars territory control GOOD rewards for doing well, its fun
The winter event has always been the best content in the game. They make money from it too (people are too impatient to wait to get the free ship so they buy the Q's photograph packs with lobi) so everyone wins.
Except those undead snowmen who must be wiped from existence at all costs.
Free Tibet!
At some point, level 50 and some reputations maxxed out, you don't need the next new thing. I have to admit, a thing that counts, I am more or less a solo gamer and I am not interested the whole min/max thing.
So, A, DR didn't changed much for me. B, I feel sorry for those that bought the DR pack. It is quite an investment for this quality of game content.
Lol my fleet is GONE there are mayb 2 people who log on its a sad time for sto pvp
I'm not going to abandon STO, I dont think I could being an LTS. I'll do the winter event, after all, its Christmas!
But..
I class myself in a holding pattern for Elite: Dangerous. Hopefully I can become as engrossed in that as I was in STO before the dire change in direction.
I believed in STO and its future, hence the LTS, however that belief is now badly shaken.
There is no reason to leave a F2P Game forever, that's melodramatic nonsense ... you basically just said it yourself ... so what's your point ? Leave or keep checking on the game if it's fun again ... can't be both ...
"Leaving" or let's just say "take a break" (to spare the melodrama) from STO is a process ... at least for me ... right now I figure there is still some hope, they might salvage the trainwreck DR is ... that's the main reason I still log on from time to time ... the other thing is the remaining 10% of the game, I still enjoy like the Foundry i.E. & WW probably -> I certainly "left the Grind", though ... if the 10% arent "good enough" anymore, I'll take a break again, did it before ... will it stop me from going to the Forums from time to time ... certainly not ...
Why do you assume everyone on the Forum is still playing on the one hand, but on the other hand, you tell them they can "come back if it's gonna be fun again" -> how are they supposed to know ? -> guess what, by checking out the Forums, log in every now and then for Doffing i.E. etc ...
PS : You might have a point, sending ingame messages to people who constantly complain about Argala, while doing Argala i.E. ... but on the Forum ? ... I don't get it ...
This is really just a thinly veiled whine thread about other people's grievances, pretty lame really.
Not that the logic follows anyway. This game has a lot of potential and a good number of people who are staying around are here because they want to see it become something it darn well should have done.
The game is not in a good place right now, and frankly it needs to be turned around, but that's not going to happen if the people who know how that will work leave and let it go down the hole, and there were two things before that made this game great pre-DR. The first was that it was accessible to anyone, casual or serious, and they could be competitive with each other with the right knowledge. Secondly, the economics, while they weren't great, made a lot more sense than they do now.
All you have done is stated an opinion, it's not fact and it certainly isn't gospel. I could put the same logic to you; if you don't like the forum don't go on it. People have grievances and serious concerns about the game, trying to silence them makes you rather petty.
It's not like you cannot give your feedback and then stop playing. You can even stay on the forums if that's your thing. But you don't need to force yoruself to do something you don't like. It will just frustrate you, and Cryptic won't move an inch faster for it. Heck, if you got a dual screen setup, you could play TOR or WoW or Star Citizen (okay, maybe not Star Citizen, because hardware requirements) and post on the forums on the other forum.
Is it? You can play now and hate what you're doing, or you can play then and love what you're doing. Why "suffer" through the bad times? You don't have to obey any wedding vows here and stick to STO through the good and the bad times. So maybe you have to catch up, but you can. I wasn't doing any reputations (actually, I am not sure there were reputations when I left) in the time I wasn't playing the game, and have caught up on several characters by now. It's doable, and it was entertaining, because it was all new to me and I came around the time the system was tuned to work really well thanks to sponsorships and daily bonus marks, rather than when it was the same long grind without any bonuses.
If the problem people have now is something like the slow grind to get specializations or levels, any time spend in that direction now would be per definition wasted because when the game "turns around", that will no longer be your problem. It will go faster, or something else will change to make it more enjoyable.
Got it ... this Thread is for people, who probably don't even exist ... not sure, how you would come to the conclusion that they do ... and if they do they're probably too busy with Self-flagellation (ingame or otherwise), and won't come to the Forums ...
Most of the negative comments I've seen so far are more like :
"Oh it's so bad, I can't do it anymore"
certainly not :
"Oh it's so bad, I'm gonna do it ... hit me please"
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strangely I see just as many players in the game as ever, I have no problems getting games on the pve ques and see plenty of zen being bought with dilithium on the exchange.
I guess only cryptic know the real truth but if these forums are to be believed its a wonder they are not bending over backwards to try and boost the player base and get their money as has been pointed out that is all they care about at the end of the day, getting our money.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Actually no, I'm talking about all players, I've seen enough evidence at this point to know there's been a lot of player drop off in recent weeks. Also please don't assume I'm somehow 'stuck' playing this because I'm not. I do have many other things I can do, I log in to do R&D and a handful of other things before logging off and doing other stuff.
My previous point still stands, and regardless of what anyone says it has been individuals in the past that have stopped changes to the game that would have caused issues, and I remember those pretty well.
Personally, I think they're hoping the winter event will boost their sales and bring people back. While I think more will log on to get the free ship, I doubt it's going to improve revenue as the core issues with the game are still here, I just want to see them held to account and the only people to do that are the players, and how the players choose to do that is down to the individuals. We wouldn't be doing holding our ground if we decided the game wasn't potentially fun, and can be again with enough of a push.
In short, individuals have solved issues with the game before and there is no reason it can't happen again, it's just down to how far Cryptic have to be pushed to seek out the answers.
Fair point, but when those who do make the game are childish and sarcastic to the players, how can they expect reasonable responses?
There have been a ton of reasonable posts, there have been a ton of extreme posts. But when there's literally no response or acknowledgement to the point of Geko admitting that there was a bad bug, then later claiming it was an exploit in the same interview, it just boggles the mind.
The OP is correct though, it's probably time to move on. The parts I did enjoy ingame are broken, hopelessly so. I'm not exactly bad at the game and have been getting some decent increases in performance from my builds and learning new strategies. It's just there's not a lot left that's enjoyable. I'll probably check out the first day or two of the Winter Event, though the Carrier is only really interesting to me for the T6 ability. I don't need a Sci Carrier. I already have enough ships to cover the roles of the other two Breen ships so it's just meh.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
I think a better solution would be if the grind is not to anyone's liking would be to play at their own pace and run the content that they like to run and let Rep systems, Special Points and R&D be damned
I don't like the grind in this MMO at all; however, I play at my own pace and try to run the content that I like running whenever possible.
So far out of Eleven Characters I've only upgraded one ground weapon and have yet to pay to finish any R&D daily early.
If it no longer matters to us when we get the carrot at the end of the stick, the Grind won't matter.
They have a clear-cut goal. That doesn't necessarily match with what some of the players want. I don't see the 'sarcasm' or 'childishness' there.
I hardly see any reasonable posts any more. If they're not buried under the extreme posts, they seem to be suppressed in favor of extremist views altogether. Some even admit to there being a war going on, which feels to be implied to be against reasonable posts. Even the boycotting, which I find the most peaceful form of protest, right now seems overly hostile. THAT boggles my mind.
Also, bugs can be exploited. As far as I know, at least.
It's up to the individual. I'm against anyone losing hope, as I see a reason not to. And I'm certainly against the "if you don't like it GTFO" mentality. But if someone does in fact want to "GTFO" as it were, I don't want to stop them.
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Well, the forums suggest they do. Maybe people don't actually grind Argala even though they had it, but either they:
- don't grind it
- don't hate it.
But the forums make it seem diifferent.
And if these people exist, they should stop with it. It is not good for them. They don't need to "GTFO" - just stop doing it. Doesn't mean they have to stop posting, but they should not do somethnig they don't enjoy because of falling into common psycholigical traps. Even in this thread there seem t be people that still find justifications for playing despite not liking it. Even DOFF grinding is wasting your time if you don't like it. Even if you just log in for 10 minutes a day - you always get the mental overhead of context switches if you then move to do something different, and you expose yourself to somethnig that reduces your enjoyment. It's bad for you, you don't actually "win" anything emotionally meaningful. if you're not doing it for fun but because you fear you will fall behind if you don't, it's unhealthy.
You're missing the third, and most likely option ... maybe they did it once or twice, hated it and that's the reason they don't do it anymore & complain so much, because they would like to have something "enjoyable" instead ...
Not sure we're talking about the same Forums ... still haven't found anyone, who openly enjoys self-flagellation, like "Argala is so bad, but I just did it 5000 times" i.E. ... you're just putting words in everyone's mouth, who doesn't enjoy (parts of) the game ...
Who said anything about "not enjoying" doffing ... why not login for 10min a day, if it's the only timeframe I can still "enjoy" the game ... besides "Enjoyment" is subjective ... loggin in for 10min & Doffing might not be the same as I dunno ... riding the Rollercoaster, while eating Popcorn ... but if people still do it, it's obviously worth something to them ... if it's not worth it anymore, they won't login anymore ... simple as that ...
"When your buddy sends you an IM asking you to hop on for some sweet, sweet Ragnarok Online so you can help him grind out enough Rare Jelly or whatever to make a pair of 'fracking' bunny ears for his Mage, it is definitely time to quit it."