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riccardo171
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No really, it's a mess. Doom threads left and right, I quit threads, "gaem is ded" (cit.) threads. Are really people taking a game with all of this seriousness? :P
If you like it, play it. If you don't like it, don't play it. You got the yet another thread in mind? Keep it for yourself. As it stands this subforum is worse than a circus.
If you like it, play it. If you don't like it, don't play it. You got the yet another thread in mind? Keep it for yourself. As it stands this subforum is worse than a circus.
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If you like the forums post, if you don't like the forums don't post
What other Star Trek mmo is there out there right now? yah...
Yeah; that's the problem... PWE/Cryptic effectively has a monopoly, so they don't have to make the game not suck 'cause people will play anyway since there's really no competition >.<
And to quote yourself OP :
If you like it, post on it. If you don't like it, don't post.
Have a nice day !
Folks complaining about folks complaining...
Folks complaining about folks complaining about complaining...
...cause well, all the folks that love to flame these threads really need a mirror. :rolleyes:
And well, if one obviously can't tell the difference between somebody complaining and somebody complaining about folks complaining...well, then they've obviously got other issues that can't be solved on the forums here.
Personally, I still haven't been able to decide whether the forums here serve as a warning for where our species is headed or if they give hope that not everybody's as bad as the folks found here...oh well, either way - it's sickening.
If you like it, read it. If you don't like it, don't read it.
Take a long hard look at yourself before you post again.
Free Tibet!
BWAAAAAAA
First step for conquering the forums has been successful.
Hmmm....let's take a wild guess, based on your own logic displayed here - people that complain about people complaining about the people complaining about complainers would be most pathetic, don't you agree? At least untill complainers Mk V and VI are introudeced.
So if you send me your adress and birdtday date, I might send you that mirror for birthday. :rolleyes:
And for the record, trolling threads are also not allowed.
Considering you just complained about what I said...maybe you should keep the mirror.
Somebody disagreeing with folks isn't trolling. The OP isn't trolling...but the OP is being flamed.
IMHO, the forums have never been more pathetic here...Hell, they've never been more pathetic anywhere. It's disgusting.
Agreed. The best possible thing that could happen to the game is burning down the official forums, and restarting fresh with a much stronger moderation policy. The sort of pathological negativity here is what happens when people confuse the echo chamber effect of the forums for something real.
It's funny funny stuff.
If you think a forum full of people saying how amazing the game is will be a fun place to come, you're in for a very boring awakening.
Free Tibet!
This is getting ludicrous...
OMG now I get that mirror!
Yeah, free mirror!
Wouldn't it be nifty if the forums were about actual complaints instead? Okay, maybe the random attaboy for something done right or enjoyed - but that folks were actually complaining about actual things rather than all the imaginary doom stuff or simply complaining about others, eh? So that would kind of be the meta complaint about the forums, and any complaint about that complaint would just be a sub-complaint that the meta complaint was already complaining about...and thus how ridiculous it is to complain about that meta complaint, yet the number of folks that fluff their short and curlies thinking they're smart 'n snarky while making that subpar complaint that's already been complained about...
...and then one could see where one might not enjoy the forums as much, eh?
The OP didn't request folks not complain...imho...rather he just commented on the sheer amount of dumbassery that's flooding the forums. Some folks can see it...some folks can't cause they're part of it.
Really? Thats what you got to say? And what makes you an expert?
Bye dismissing people you miss out on an opportunity!!! Would you rather that people hate the game and no one plays (or comes back)? Just Star Trek Offline? How is that good for anyone?
You do know that some people care alot about the game and want to play it with other people.
When you nerft XP and you got people with new romulan toons not being able to do the first mission the helix because your level 4 not 5.... well thats a rage quite moment.
Do you really want players who a have their first experience as that or anything else that wrong with the game?
Except, that's not what's happening. What is happening is that it is all but impossible to have a constructive and useful discussion on this forum because a small subset of posters have gotten it into their heads that since other people seem upset and agree with them that the game is bad/doomed/slap in the face/cash grab/whatever, that said opinion is real, factual, and valid, and thus anyone who doesn't agree with the forum group-think MUST be wrong. Put another way - a small group of posters has already functionally silenced people by making the forums unpleasant, and has done so in a way that I feel damages both the forum community and the game itself. Since they won't stop themselves, and since there is nothing that Cryptic can do that will satisfy them, there is nothing to lose by silencing them, and potentially a lot to gain.
When you find a problem with the game that affects you directly and you come here to complain about it, I hope nobody arbitrarily decides that your opinion is invalid.
Free Tibet!
Calling it a small group of posters is counter to your own point, and is there only to belittle those you disagree with. If it actually was such a small group, how would they be capable of preventing civil discourse on the entire forum?
It sounds to me like some people are saying that 'no reasoning is possible with these doom hooligans' as an excuse to hide the fact that they are not willing to even try to accomplish reasoning.
What they should do, instead of complaining about complaining: open a thread for civil discourse where the 'small, groupthink, complainer group with opinions different than theirs' can discuss the issue civilly with them. And what if, in that thread, they blot out discussion with cries that discussion isn't possible? Well, then we'll know exactly who made it impossible in the first place.
and we yet again care for your opinion why?
Except, again, I didn't say anyone's opinion was invalid. I said that people mistake their opinions for things that are objectively true and valid, because they mistake following the forum group-think as a sign that they are "right" to feel the way they do. This leads to people valuing their sense of certainty over their ability to reason, and this in turn is what causes things like you mistakenly responding to an argument I'm not making (and will probably further lead to you making the mistake of thinking I'm trolling/flaming you). There should be room for nuance in discussion, but at the moment there is none, as you have so ably demonstrated. This makes the forums an unpleasant place for people who want to have a nuanced discussion, instead of just scream at people who disagree with your opinion.
Further, you have conceded my central point, which is that the majority of angry posts on here are impossible for Cryptic to address - some people are just never going to be satisfied, and will only ever be a source of irrational negativity. Losing those people seems to have no downsides, and plenty of potential upsides, so on balance is a good idea.
"People mistake their opinions for things that are objectively true and valid" means that you've decided that their opinions are invalid.
Free Tibet!
For me, I'm upset with the people who are complaining about the people complaining about the complaining people complaining about the people complaining.
First, it is a small group of posters, and it's easy for them to prevent civil discourse on the entire forum simply by being prolific and vitriolic. I note that many of the people who were most up in arms about there being a 5 minute lock out on posting are the same people who, in my opinion, contribute most to the overall sense of negativity on the forums.
Second, you are acting like no attempt has ever been made at reasonable discussion. It has, and some reasonable discussion has resulted. However, more commonly, if the OP is a reasonable critique, it quickly gets co-opted into the ongoing narrative of "everything Cryptic does is bad and wrong, and this game would be better off closed down than continuing down this path". If the OP is praise for some element of the game, it either gets turned into a fight about people being white knight fanbois, or else it gets co-opted with off topic complaints about other things, leading back to "everything Cryptic does is bad and wrong... yadda yadda yadda".
Third, many posts get made and are simply on face unreasonable. How does one reasonably respond to the idea that this game is terrible and only mindless sheep would ever play it? Or that people who are having fun in the game are part of the problem, because Cryptic needs to be stopped. Or that in order to make the game better we should all uninstall it for a month? Or that it is a slap in the face for the environment artist to tell paying customers that fixing bugs is not his job? And on and on and on. There is nothing to be gained from those threads - they should be locked and deleted immediately, and habitual poster along those lines should be banned, but right now that doesn't happen because people mistakenly believe that they have a right to express themselves here, and that all opinions are equally valid and worth expressing.
Right ... because people won't express their dissent in other subforums instead ... you probably meant "this Forum needs to go" ... but good News, there is a solution -> don't go there ...
No, it doesn't. It means that I don't accept them as "true". It turns out (nuance again!) that there is a middle ground between "objectively true" and "objectively false". I can point out that negative opinions are not objectively valid without asserting that they are thus objectively invalid.
Well this is what happens when the forums become more fun then the game itself ... .
... add to that a forumite who's escaped from the PVP forums and looks for PVP in other forums ...