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cpc2011a
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So it just hit me that for the price of an entirely NEW GAME, oh such as Elite: Dangerous for example, I can be the proud new owner of a whole two ships. Does anyone else find this utterly ridiculous? T6 ships at $30 a pop or grind your space bar to oblivion and then continue a fairly dead end 'game' after you get a ship or two that at the moment are no better than a T5-u Fleet ship? Add to that the fact that unless you play a Fed mostly (which I hate) you essentially get bent over for your money. I think if I'm going to pay to get screwed I'd rather visit a hooker so I can at least come away with something to show for it, like the clap at the very least.
Get real PWE, and ffs start at least TRYING to use your brains.
Get real PWE, and ffs start at least TRYING to use your brains.
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So what do you think is covering the costs of F2P ???
After all, designing a T6 probably cost the same than a T5. We are not talking car or planes, but virtual object that are very similar.
Also, 60$ for a ship bundle ? That's the price for a very new AAA game. I think that's very expensive for a several years old f2p. But that's just me.
And the PWE business model.
If there would be something else to do ... some foolish Trek Idiots, like myself might actually pay for this nonsense ...
Well, a ship T6 cost more that a T5 because T6 is superior to T5 (nominally). Now then T6 =3000 zen vs T5 =2500 zen its a diference based on the supossed quality of both ships and tiers. Now the fun thing is a T5 + upgrade token are over 3000 zen but is still a inferior tier tha T6 and still suposedly inferior in terms of gameplay balance, but more expensive than T6 so the prices are not logical and well...they are pretty much screwed, but the mastermind of the chinese overlord think diferently of course.
GG Cryptic.
dnirg eht nioj
I will still argue that the D'kora is still the best ship in the game!
"Where monsters rampage, I'm there to take them down! Where treasure glitters, I'm there to claim it! Where an enemy rises to face me, victory will be mine!" -Lina Inverse
Good. More people need to realize the value of money and how hard it is to earn it. Go to steam and scan through their deals for the holiday weekend. Lots of great games for $15 which will give you countless hours of fun (no grind). Or spend $30 on the bundles and get way more.
I can't believe people actually support the outrageous cash grabs in this game. $30 for T6, $5 for fleet module (next season), countless dollars in equivalent grinding (or buying) to get dilithium to acquire fleet and upgrade gear to MK XIV ... and so on.
Has to be the worst deal ever.
- Judge Aaron Satie
Pre- Delta Rising I would have agreed 100% with this. Now though, the fun is just not there to be had. They've pretty much killed the queues, and a massive grindfest is just not fun. People complain that DR is very Alt unfriendly. I disagree because if not for my alts I'd have burned out already and taken a break from the game again.
You didn't take into account that if you DON'T own the c-store version of a ship to get the discount for fleet ships, or play KDF mostly, the cost of a fleet ship is 2000z, add to that the upgrade and you total 2700z which is LESS than the T6 ships and at present the t5u fleet ships are superior to the t6 ships. True you don't get a ship trait, but for Roms and KDF they are pretty pathetic anyway.
Nope ... but you can get them by playing various aspects of the game ~2000 times ...
So yeah, while theoretically you can earn all the spec point (or any reasonable amount) through various aspects of the game, it would take a very long time, and meanwhile, new specs would be added.
So I guess you're one of these 10h per day - Guy ... congrats then ...
No ?! at least not on my planet ...
Then you probably should do the math on Spec Points ... 8h per week = ~maxed out Spec Points within ~2 years (1 year if you're quite "efficient") ... for one Toon ... lets hope for your sake you don't have 1,2,3,4 or 5 Alts etc ...
Well I guess we're playing different games then ...
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=20939661&postcount=130
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http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=20939971&postcount=135
especially Queues ... what Queues are you running excatly ... the highest payout is 4k (ISA/E afaik) per Queue (lowest under 1k) + another 4k for Kills, if you wanna be unreal (let's hope you forgot about Ground Queues, which reward ~nothing per Kill) ... 1 Spec Point is 150k ... at least use "Argala Patrol" if you wanna be remotely believable ... 150 / 8 = ? x ~15 + 30min (= well let's say ~10 hours) ... you probably found the Doff Fountain of XP, then ... otherwise you would've spent ~20h per week doing Queues ...
In terms of pricing for ships, $30 is a drop in relation to the hours of fun I've had in the game. The problem is that 'fun' seems to have different meanings for everyone, including the management of Star Trek Online.
For me the 'fun' comes from the community. The people I run STF's with. My fleet members. It was in an effort to seem knowledgeable, or vanity that I would rush to complete every rep on every toon. That race was share with others.
New content? We'd all share our experiences. New ship or piece of cool gear? We'd all communicate actively on the best approach, best builds etc to achieve whatever the current goal was.
The highlight was finishing NWS as a fleet. It was a lot of fun - but it took effort. Just as building our fleet holdings took a concerted effort.
DR changed that.
Players left. The content is like chinese food. Tasty, neat to have, but it leaves you hungry for anything else an hour later.
The queues are out of whack. R&D is not achievable for casual players. VR resources, for lack of a better definition is behind a pay wall (level, ability, $$$, whatever you can imagine).
And then through successive failures of QA, XP and dilithium nerfs, and indifference from management of the game, the player base has and continues to shrink.
DR may have been the most profitable launch in the companies history (Laughtrendy), but the game is devoid of players and fun. Not sure how that will improve in the long run.
besides which nobody is forcing you to buy anything in sto in fact rumer mill says we are all getting a free T6 for the winter event anyway and if we do we will also get a free T6 for the summer event plus any other freebies they throw our way in the mean time.
I really cant see what your gripe is.
if anything a single T6 ship is a bargain many T5 ships are 2500zen and you have to pay extra for the fleet version and another 500zen - 700zen to upgrade them to T5U so they actually work out more expensive then a 3000zen T6 ship.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
ROFL ... Screen or it didn't happen ...
Used to play - thats the distinction.
Of my seven 'formerly elite' alts, only 2 have upgraded enough to effectively run advanced STF's without my fearing they would hold back the team.
Clearly others have the same issue, or have left the game because of it. The queues are a fraction of what they used to be because of the difficulty changes.
but then 90% of players never crafted anything on the old system anyway so they should not be all that fussed if they don't craft anything much in the new system either.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I am not sure how well I like it, being one of the "paying" players. But I think that for some F2P games and some players, they'd rather pay the "mark-up" for macro-transactions then not have the game at all. Which is often the only choice, because not enough people are willing to pay 15 $ subscriptions any more.
(And it should also be noted that even subscription games are more expensive than single player games. Of course, that depends on the single player game, but some single player games have very high replay value and you could play them for months or years - and you pay only once. And I think there are also a lot of "hidden" cost here. A non-MMO today often has only short play time length and less replay-ability then they used to.)
Except for the fact that it's cheaper to buy and upgrade a fleet ship without owning the c-store model first. As I mentioned before: 4 fleet modules + 1 upgrade token = 2700zen
That's how I've acquired the majority of my ships, but I can't justify grinding out 3000zen each for what are essentially useless ship traits, and I certainly can't justify spending real money on those same useless traits.
I suppose I'll wait and see what happens when/if the fleet versions come out. Maybe we'll get lucky and the layouts/consoles will reflect what the ships actually need as opposed to the lack of sense the current upgrades got us. (example: the Fleet Nebula getting another science console as opposed to a much needed tactical console.) Although from a common sense viewpoint, I won't hold my breath.
I think the way to put it is that "It's all still there", but what's there is now a shadow of what it was:
Foundry - enemy changes mean some of the best foundry missions are no longer achievable; some can't be logged into at all
Borg Red Alerts - a staple for many of us, but the Unimatrix nonappearance bork remains there meaning it doesn't always complete
Doffing - still there but the new interface makes it much less immersive... yes it was always button pressing but I used to sit there and think "Who should do that one?" knowing my doffs almost as 'people'... now it's "Click to start, Click to Engage"... no idea about if it's going to work or not
Socializing - still there but again, the days when you'd just arrive at Drozana and find 20 people chatting, are over
PvE Pugging - always enjoyed a good pug precisely because you never knew what would happen unlike in a premade, but the queues are dead now... you might be lucky but it has a much higher chance of failure
Teaming with Newbies - yes I've run that missions lots of times, I'll help you... what, you're not there anymore, because the game's turned totally unfriendly to casuals? Okay, another thing I'll miss
Exploration Clusters - they're still sitting there as a doff assignment center but there used to be something nice about breaking up new content with an occasional dip into a pool of basics... yes, sometimes there's nothing as refreshing as beaming down to a pretty planet and scanning five tombstones.
So yes, everything's still there, in various levels of abandonment and neglect. Logging in daily, playing several hours, just hanging out and chatting... it's all gone. Now, the only thing left is to get in when a new mission's been released, play it once for the storyline and then move to other games. That's what I'm doing, after spending two years playing STO exclusively. But it's now at six weeks and counting, and I realize that this game is unlikely to recover to its former glory, such as it was.
And it's due to this constant nerfing and curtailment of choice.
Whales. Whales are covering the expenses. They're in process of running everyone else off.
Ah, ah, ah! You're not allowed to use the C-word! We're supposed to pretend that the blatant avarice does not exist!
you think that is ridiculous?
load up Lord of the Rings online, or Mechwarrior online. those are F2P game where you have to BUY CONTENT
want to ride a horse? oh you have to buy the ability to buy the horse.
sure it's not $30 up front but the nickle and dimes add up pretty quick