"Hazari starship T5 ability bugged/worthless" INVESTIGATING

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• virusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User

  November 2014 edited November 2014

  I just wanted to add to this, because there actually is another place where All Damage is used where it is Strength rather than Bonus...that's with [AMP]. So it's entirely possible that this is working as intended - just not as "player" expected. Could be a case of it just being confusing tooltip info (really do appreciate the effort Cryptic has made in updating those tooltips to reflect Damage and Bonus Damage)...or...it could be providing the wrong bonus.
  
  Just saw a thread on [AMP] and was like, oh yeah - forgot about that (heh, in the thread where Hawk spelled it out, I'd joked that I can never remember [AMP] for some reason)...
  
  So yeah, just wanted to add that in there as a possible explanation for what's going on there if it's a case of it coming back that it is definitely working as intended.
  
  Thanks.

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• pwstolemyname Member Posts: 1,417 Arc User

  November 2014 edited November 2014

  If this trait worked to a grater extent I would slap extend shields on everything with 3 or more engineering abilities. But as it is, I will save my resources for the next t6 lobi/lockbox ship.

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• crypticfrost Member Posts: 1,479 Cryptic Developer

  November 2014 edited November 2014

  Issue verified. I'm only seeing about 3% per stack with Partners in Arms. Thanks for the report.

  STO QA Team

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• crypticfrost Member Posts: 1,479 Cryptic Developer

  November 2014 edited November 2014

  An update on this: It seems this is a result of the formula used to figure weapon damage. It's designed so that multiple buffs have a diminishing return. So the only way to see the full true value of any buff is to start with no mods at all, items, skills, etc.
  
  Yes, this makes communicating actual, seen in the UI, buff numbers almost impossible to convey. However, the only option would be, as I understand it, to recode our entire damage system, a massive undertaking that there's no way for us to even consider.
  
  That's the basics of what was explained to me by the designer. As such, this is a "Works as Designed" situation.

  STO QA Team

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• robdmc Member Posts: 1,619 Arc User

  November 2014 edited November 2014

  Would it make sense to add a notation that buffs can have diminishing returns and which buff interact with it? That would alleviate some confusion.

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• dontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  November 2014 edited November 2014

  seems like increasing the magnitude at which this trait buffs is appropriate then

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• crusaderxeno Member Posts: 6 Arc User

  November 2014 edited November 2014

  crypticfrost wrote: »

  An update on this: It seems this is a result of the formula used to figure weapon damage. It's designed so that multiple buffs have a diminishing return. So the only way to see the full true value of any buff is to start with no mods at all, items, skills, etc.
  
  Yes, this makes communicating actual, seen in the UI, buff numbers almost impossible to convey. However, the only option would be, as I understand it, to recode our entire damage system, a massive undertaking that there's no way for us to even consider.
  
  That's the basics of what was explained to me by the designer. As such, this is a "Works as Designed" situation.

  
  I understand what you are saying, but "works as designed" is not how the definition of the trait is being taken. I would advise some sort of text change in a future patch or even just adding that this trait is affected by diminished returns.
  
  Another way you could do it is just rework the code on the trait to give a damage output increase for each level that would negate the diminished return issue so it would work closer to how it is currently perceived at 10% per stack. Like one trait bonus would be 30%, the next 60% for a total of 90% and so on. The actual math isn't there getting it to 10% for each stack, but I just threw up how I was thinking it.

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• walshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User

  November 2014 edited November 2014

  crypticfrost wrote: »

  An update on this: It seems this is a result of the formula used to figure weapon damage. It's designed so that multiple buffs have a diminishing return. So the only way to see the full true value of any buff is to start with no mods at all, items, skills, etc.
  
  Yes, this makes communicating actual, seen in the UI, buff numbers almost impossible to convey. However, the only option would be, as I understand it, to recode our entire damage system, a massive undertaking that there's no way for us to even consider.
  
  That's the basics of what was explained to me by the designer. As such, this is a "Works as Designed" situation.

  
  Surely there's a way to expose what sources contribute how much to final damage output on a per-weapon basis?

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• virusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User

  November 2014 edited November 2014

  crypticfrost wrote: »

  An update on this: It seems this is a result of the formula used to figure weapon damage. It's designed so that multiple buffs have a diminishing return. So the only way to see the full true value of any buff is to start with no mods at all, items, skills, etc.
  
  Yes, this makes communicating actual, seen in the UI, buff numbers almost impossible to convey. However, the only option would be, as I understand it, to recode our entire damage system, a massive undertaking that there's no way for us to even consider.
  
  That's the basics of what was explained to me by the designer. As such, this is a "Works as Designed" situation.

  
  Heh, that's some dangerous language there with the diminishing returns for folks that might not understand what's taking place there. And as far as conveying those numbers...wheeee...well, I disagree. But I like posting numbers until folks eyes are bleeding. :P
  
  But thanks for taking a look and having them look....confirming it is a strength boost and not a bonus boost. Regardless of the results, I definitely appreciate you guys having looked at it and answering us.

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• aniax01 Member Posts: 4 Arc User

  January 2015 edited January 2015

  Extend Shields and Science Fleet (heal & buff respectively) are not triggering the trait even when they show '10% damage boost (stacks up to 3 times)' when moused over.
  
  Pls fix this or else it will be very difficult to get the buff during combat making the trait practically useless. :mad:

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• architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User

  March 2015 edited March 2015

  Any update on these issues?

  Have you tried the new forum on your phone?

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