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daqhegh
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Okay, so I finally had enough EC to buy a bunch of upgrades and accelerators to upgrade my Purple MACO rep rifle to MKXIV. So I did it and figured, why not try for an Ultra Rare? Well, as luck would have it, I tried twice. I filled the bar TWICE, and all it did was return the rifle to me unchanged. It was an incredible waste of DIL and EC for nothing worth that much.
Anyhow, I went in thinking that there was some higher chance of UR and Epic with rep stuff since it has its procs and isn't crafted. I was wrong. No amount of bonuses can give you ANY assurance that ANY upgrade will work.
My advice: AVOID IT. Common sense now that the forum is full of this stuff. But believe me, as awesome as those orange thingies look they are NOT worth the time and effort. I had a guy tell me that I have to work for the best gear in game. I thought to myself, why would I want to feel like I'm working playing ANY video game?
Trust my experience. The upgrading system (as well as R&D) is nothing more than a revolving door of WTFs and ragequits.
Anyhow, I went in thinking that there was some higher chance of UR and Epic with rep stuff since it has its procs and isn't crafted. I was wrong. No amount of bonuses can give you ANY assurance that ANY upgrade will work.
My advice: AVOID IT. Common sense now that the forum is full of this stuff. But believe me, as awesome as those orange thingies look they are NOT worth the time and effort. I had a guy tell me that I have to work for the best gear in game. I thought to myself, why would I want to feel like I'm working playing ANY video game?
Trust my experience. The upgrading system (as well as R&D) is nothing more than a revolving door of WTFs and ragequits.
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One way some people try to get easy rarity upgrades is to upgrade low level white quality gear. Don't know how effective that is myself, as I upgraded a mk I Piercing Beam Rifle to mk XI or XII and managed to get it to green quality.
Just like anything in this game... its kinda down to the Random Number Gods...
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Had a bit of luck and some Tactical consoles went to Epic within th eupgrading process (I believe it increased at MK XIII), but that was it then. No other stuff even bothered to upgrade to Ultra Rare even though I threw alot of Upgrade Kits, Boosts and of course dilithium at it. Seems like stuff doesent want to increase in rarity when already at MK XIV.
Lesson learned. No more gambling trying to get stuff to epic.
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and quite not fun to do with Mk Xii stuff
Same here. I really only wanted a UR, but I didn't even get that. It didn't cost me any real money, but now I'm broke in-game.
My Bio Neural Gel Pack console sits at 66% rarity increase chance now. Somehow it doesent want to increase in rarity now.
Either very bad luck or the console is bugged.
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Afaik, grind, it's a specialty item so I can't see them ever making them craftable.q
I use MACO ground gear on almost all my chars for almost everything they do. During the upgrade of those components from mk12 to mk14 two lucky rarity upgrades were triggered to ultra rare. Think the armor gets a tox mod and the shield a cap one.
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sure its only a few points on the stats overall on one item upgrade but when you have mk14 on 4 front weapons + 4 rear weapons + 4 shields deflectors ect + 9 or 10 consoles so you have 21-22 item with improved stats that's got to make a difference overall.
and all it costs is to play the game to earn the dil & ec you need to upgrade.
if you want to throw cash at it that's up to you, I am quite happy to upgrade with in game rewards.
sure it will take longer but playing the game to get the rewards to upgrade is half the fun anyway.
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All of what you said is true. Except...
The 'easy rarity upgrade' method is to craft a mark II very rare item of your choosing, then get an experimental tech upgrade and a major research booster. As you level the item through the following 4-8 levels (depending on whether you had a crit, and what item type you're leveling), you will have a 20% chance of upgrading your rarity for each upgrade cycle until the TP overflow from the initial upgrade runs out.
This method is also used to get those highly prized [Antiproton [INSERT WEAPON TYPE] Mk XIV [Ac/Dm] [CrtD]x4]s everybody says are best these days - you craft a bunch of [CrtD]x3 weapons, eventually some of them get a 4th [CrtD] modifier if they manage to upgrade to UR, and from there it's just a matter of upgrading to Epic - if you are so inclined. Then you just buy a lockbox ship or two with the money you got yourself.
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To be clear, that is exactly what happens once an item is already Mk XIV. Fill the TP bar, rarity upgrade chance increases. If that fails, fill the TP bar again, rarity upgrade chance increases again and gets added to the rarity chance from before. Rinse and repeat until the rarity finally increases. If the Mark of the item is not XIV, then the rarity % chance gets reset every time you fill the TP bar.
So let's say you have a Mk XIV item and fill up the TP bar and that gives you a 5% chance to upgrade the quality (the Research bar). If that fails, you keep that 5%, fill the TP bar again, now you have a 10% chance. If you fail and repeat again, then you have 15%. Eventually it HAS to reach 100% in the research bar, but this could take a LOT of dilithium, EC, and tech upgrades (and crafting materials if you're doing the crafting yourself).
Note that the % chance depends on the item's existing rarity, it's not always +5%; it could be more, it could be less, see my sig.
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Agreed! It made me rethink about the amount of time and money i spend on to this game. Just one look at my friendlist (over 150-200 friends from over 4 years of playtime) tells the thruth about the current state of this game, they are almoust all gone! Cryptic really needs to rethink this whole lotto crafting they have.
I tryed to make a decent Science "exo whats it called" console. Ended on having 3 consoles without any traits. Spending huge amounts of dili just to get worthless piece of ****. And this was at lvl 16 science and 2 blue +50 skillpoint boosters.
Im totally against how r&d was remade. (Get rid of the LOTTO SYSTEM, let us craft what we reallly want/need)
Unfortunately, Cryptic doesn't really care about the contents of a person's friend list. Sad as it may be, the fact is they don't see a need to keep a certain group of people in the game, so long as that group is replaced by another group of equal or bigger size (and, more importantly, willingness to spend money).
What they're failing to see is that there's only so many people on our little marble that can possibly try STO out, and potential players aren't being created as fast as the game's losing existing ones... :rolleyes:
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They basically decreases my will to log-in. Regardless of the effort I'd put, the quality of items I'd provide, I'm still left with RNG only at the end of the day. Yes, I can grind my eyeballs out or ransack my wallet to get the 'chance' for a better result, but it's still up to the RNG. And that sucks big time. Plus, this being the only venue to gain access to Mk XIV equipment and UR and epic rarity is even more lame than the gamble system itself. No matter what I do, I'm required to gamble. If I wanted to gamble instead of playing a game, I'd have gone to a casino or buy a lottery ticket, Cryptic. :mad:
The devs that came up, created and programmed the entirety of these 2 gamble/scam systems should receive a complimentary "Master of Fail" title.
The casino or lotteries doesn't give you consolation prices if you "lose". You get nothing. STO gives you Lobi and other "consolation" prize (some highly thought after in fact), and the upgrade system at least increases your chance of getting an UR every time you try. You can't "pay" yourself to a lottery win (within the rules of the lottery), you can "pay" yourself to an UR item in STO. It may be expensive, though. (Ridicilously so, you could even argue).
This, totally not worth it. I don't bother with rarity upgrades. Chance is just too small. I have one piece of epic gear and that was simply because on my second applying of an upgrade on an ultra rare MkXIII fleet weapon it happened that the RNG gave me a rarity upgrade to epic.
Good job on completely missing my point there.
If I want to gamble, I gamble - I don't want pitty consolation prizes. If I want to play a game, I want to play a game - not gamble away my playing time.
The sheer fact that it's up to an RNG as the sole venue to get things crafted and improved is a game design fail of epic proportions. It's so bad that I'm literally at a loss for words. Whoever created this "system" is such a terrible faliure in the branch they're working in that they should be studied in colledges across the world as an example of "how not to do stuff".
If I want to craft 8 VR beam arrays with exactly same mods like I could before, it's next to impossible now. At least without trying Kahless knows how many times to equip the entire ship with beam arrays with same mods.
If level 60 is the new "roof" paired with Mk XIV epic gear, I should be able to get that mark and rarity of gear by playing the game and piling up enough resources. Not be submitted to the will of the RNG after I did all of that.
The "crafting" and upgrade systems are an utter fail of epic proportions.
What?
To me the spec tree is irrelevant, people will eventually max it out, TRIBBLE it. This however holds me back from even wanting to spend time in the game.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
Sure, people will eventually max it out. At a rate of one character every three months (now THAT's optimism!), sure.
I mean, it's not like they have announced that they'll be releasing more of them, right?!
... Right? :rolleyes:
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.