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Cochranes Shotgun and DPS?
willamsheridan
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Just got the Shotgun yesterday but used it on several missions already. I have to say that i am a bit Disappointed . Don´t know if its the shotgun or if there is a problem with the Game not showing DPS correctly.
According to the Rifles Stats it is more powerful than my Mk XIII MACO Pulsewave (which is very rare not just rare like the Shotgun) That surprises me a bit.
And even if the Shotgun should cause much Damage and has 100% Shield Pen. as far as i have seen it. It does not do very much Damage at all.
Ony if an enemy is in melee weapon Range it can cause a fair amount of Damage when i shoot him. If i am not that close i barely do any Damage.
My other Weapons, including my unupgraded Mk XIIs (reputation, Fleet) deal more Damage.
According to the Rifles Stats it is more powerful than my Mk XIII MACO Pulsewave (which is very rare not just rare like the Shotgun) That surprises me a bit.
And even if the Shotgun should cause much Damage and has 100% Shield Pen. as far as i have seen it. It does not do very much Damage at all.
Ony if an enemy is in melee weapon Range it can cause a fair amount of Damage when i shoot him. If i am not that close i barely do any Damage.
My other Weapons, including my unupgraded Mk XIIs (reputation, Fleet) deal more Damage.
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you are aware that real shotguns are most deadly at point blank and their effectiveness drops off rather sharply right? These aren't sniper rifles. They do mean mean things up close and personal, but swap out the shotgun if the enemy isnt up your nose.
And also "real" shotguns aren't as dangerous up close as a lot of people think.
The buckshot can't penetrate good quality military armor. That's why most countries' ground forces carry Armor Piercing assault rifles.
Shield +10% physical damage
Pretty sure there's a trait with 10% not positive though.
Kit with physical damage life siphon.
THAT is how you use a shotgun. Can't tell me it does less now.
Oh and also, let us not forget, some enemies may have more physical damage resistance than they do against energy (But I do not know for sure), and in some cases it's probably the reverse. Either way, the shotgun is amazing if you bother to upgrade it a notch.
And on a final note, you can keep discarding and reclaiming the shotgun from the dilithium store for free until you get the mods you want for it which are random when unpacked. I generally recommend doing so until you get [CritD]x2, then upgrade that one, when you crit a cluster of enemies with a shotgun that has those mods, it's devastating even in my hands as a dedicated healer sci who considers damage a secondary role at best!
The pulsewave assaults do mention this in the weapon information, but if the Zefram Cochrane Shotgun does not list it in the weapon info and your outgoing damage is not what you think it should be, I would consider the possibility it uses the same pulsewave assault game mechanics for calculating damage.
And Cryptic just forgot to add it in there, of course.
I currently can´t afford to upgrade everything to Mk XIV. Still working on R&D. And i was just comparing the damage it should do with the Damage it actually causes and the Damage of other, lower Mark WEapons.
My MACO Pulsewave should do 159 DPS, the Shotgun 161. But the Shotgun does far less than that, not just a bit.
I tried it against Klingon, Orions, Borg and Undine.
The Shield Bleedthrough of my MACO WEapons against Borg (Kinetic) is bigger than the Overall Damage of the Shotgun with 100% Shield Penetration.
And why do i need a Rifle that only works good at melee Range if i just can use Melee Weapons for that Like my Lirpa or my Crystalline Sword. And if the Range is so short its just not very good at all. Especially if enemies can knock you down with Melee weapons like Klingons or Assimilate you, like Borg.
HTH.
As for the damage resistances, I was testing it out against a couple of fleet mates, the first having very high damage resistances so the shotgun did very little little in the way of damage nor knock backs. The second have little to no resistances, in which case the shot gun was lethal at close range as well as knocking him from one ramp over to the other in the assimilated cruiser ground map. And I've not looked at upgrading it yet.
The shotgun is the perfect partner in crime to the craftable TR-116B sniper rifle in the right hands both of these are deadly. In the wrong hands, well lets just say a spud gun would probably be better. All we need now is and auto carbine version of these weapons.
LOL I love this misconception.
A 12 Gage loaded with "Goose Rounds" (stainless steel) will easily punch through ALL military grade armor. (it only slows it down so it can do more damage as it rebounds around inside the armor.)
This is my Home Defense Cannon.
Put a depleted slug in that bad boy and you can kill a locomotive.
I also hunt using said 12 gage with normal slugs.
True I can't "shoot" a deer from 2 miles away with a scope.
I have to get closer and actually engage the animal instead of playing Duck Hunt on an Atari.
I also don't worry about any Bear or Moose I encounter.
And I get a kick out of watching "Rifle Boy" trailing a shot dear for miles.
Thank You for the link!
I like the acronym as well.
And I won't talk about RL applications because that's a huge can of worms. :P
You are smoking crack. Shot pellets will not penetrate even soft body armor class II. Even pistol rounds (including .22 LR) have more armor penetration than buck shot (00 Shot), and steel is even less effective. The only reason steel shot exists is for environmental concerns.
There are steel cored slugs and sabot rounds but they are probably illegal in the US because they are classed as armor piercing.
I can go down to Walmart and get solid copper hollowpoint sabot rounds today if I wanted, for 12 or 20 qauge.
A 12 gauge shotgun is the most versatile firearm you can own.
Derrick - Fed Eng
Sound effect is terrible and the size of the weapon model is too tiny
They can really do a makeover on the face though.
~Karona@Sobekeus
Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier Exterminatus
It's the same basic principle behind how a burst from an auto rifle can drop someone even if a single shot barely fazes them.
My character Tsin'xing
Too tiny? No, I think it's actually a bit bigger than the one shown in Enterprise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXw6hC7hxBA
It's nice to have decently scaled weapon models, finally. I agree on the sound effect, though. Thing sounds pretty weak.
Shown here
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1297891
What they should would have been something good is from Captain Kirk.
1920s tommy gun (aka Thompson sub-machine gun) would be more ideal here, but that's not what we all had grind for in MIE.
Time will only tell!
Again, stainless steel rounds.
Lead flattens, steel does not so all current body armor just makes a nice crunching sound as they penetrate.
Don't feel bad though, the armor slows them down enough that they rebound off the inside of the back armor for another joy ride through the body.