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littlesarbonn
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I apologize if this comes off as a rant, as I'm not the ranting kind. I like the game. I have problems with some of the recent decisions like a lot of others, but mostly I'm still signing on every day and spending money on the things that are significant to me.
I have the new ships, but wow, they are extremely ugly. And I mean most of them. The Klingon and Romulan T6 ships are kind of throwaway, in that they don't appear to be that much different than most. Although I will say my favorite ship is the Romulan bird one (the bigger one), even though it's not as functional as I sometimes need for a ship that needs to turn every now and then.
But the Federation ships are extremely unattractive.
Intel escort: Looks like it just is a flat pancake with a couple of nozzles on it. Not sure why they didn't just go with a Defiant or something of that type.
Intel cruiser: Not even sure what to say about this thing, other than it's probably the most functional, but I'm sometimes embarrassed to actually be flying it because it looks awful, like it's some kind of alien ship that doesn't believe is aesthetics.
The Guardian: Okay, this one looks mostly like a Starfleet vessel, but it's not all that special in any way. It looks like they just took one of the earlier ships, puffed it up and then said "hey, this is a Guardian".
The Dauntless: Yeah, I understand that it needs to look like the ship in the episode, but when flying it, it's kind of a crappy triangular thing that doesn't really seem like much of a ship. I fly it with one of my characters and finally decided it looked too stupid to fly around so I traded to the Scryer instead.
The Scryer: This is probably the better of the shapes of the new ships, but basically it looks like they took a regular starship, set it on fire and then whatever was left over was the style of the new ship. It's one of the ugliest ships I've ever used.
I'm sure there were a couple of other ships as well, but those are the main ones I've actually unlocked and used.
I'm really hoping they go back and revisit some of these ships, or at least offer us a whole lot more that are either more canonical, or just more impressive looking. I run around with a Jem'hadar dreadnaught carrier (or whatever it's called), and I really like the look of that thing. The earlier types of ships looked pretty good, too. The Odyssey will always be my favorite look of a ship, even if they outdated it by leaving it as only a T5u.
Anyway, anyone like these ships? I mean, I understand it's a matter of taste, and maybe I'm just wrong and there are people who really like these new styles of ships.
I have the new ships, but wow, they are extremely ugly. And I mean most of them. The Klingon and Romulan T6 ships are kind of throwaway, in that they don't appear to be that much different than most. Although I will say my favorite ship is the Romulan bird one (the bigger one), even though it's not as functional as I sometimes need for a ship that needs to turn every now and then.
But the Federation ships are extremely unattractive.
Intel escort: Looks like it just is a flat pancake with a couple of nozzles on it. Not sure why they didn't just go with a Defiant or something of that type.
Intel cruiser: Not even sure what to say about this thing, other than it's probably the most functional, but I'm sometimes embarrassed to actually be flying it because it looks awful, like it's some kind of alien ship that doesn't believe is aesthetics.
The Guardian: Okay, this one looks mostly like a Starfleet vessel, but it's not all that special in any way. It looks like they just took one of the earlier ships, puffed it up and then said "hey, this is a Guardian".
The Dauntless: Yeah, I understand that it needs to look like the ship in the episode, but when flying it, it's kind of a crappy triangular thing that doesn't really seem like much of a ship. I fly it with one of my characters and finally decided it looked too stupid to fly around so I traded to the Scryer instead.
The Scryer: This is probably the better of the shapes of the new ships, but basically it looks like they took a regular starship, set it on fire and then whatever was left over was the style of the new ship. It's one of the ugliest ships I've ever used.
I'm sure there were a couple of other ships as well, but those are the main ones I've actually unlocked and used.
I'm really hoping they go back and revisit some of these ships, or at least offer us a whole lot more that are either more canonical, or just more impressive looking. I run around with a Jem'hadar dreadnaught carrier (or whatever it's called), and I really like the look of that thing. The earlier types of ships looked pretty good, too. The Odyssey will always be my favorite look of a ship, even if they outdated it by leaving it as only a T5u.
Anyway, anyone like these ships? I mean, I understand it's a matter of taste, and maybe I'm just wrong and there are people who really like these new styles of ships.
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Pretty to one is hideous to another and the other way around.
Edit: 43 seconds delay because the 300 sec rule is still in effect.
The Phantom's nice, at least. The Scryer is easily the worst of them -- laugh everytime I see one using a normal Federation material, because the model looks like it came out of a Quake 1 mod without the intel material to compliment the angularness. Just like with the DSDs, the KDF and Romulans lucked out and got something closer to their normal style.
But the fed ships i wont get any of them. One reason is because i dont like the look of them 2nd reason is im only supporting the smaller factions ships from now on. Unless its to upgrade my ships ive allready payed for.
The Eclypse Intel Cruiser, the Guardian Cruiser and the Scryer Intel Science Vessel are ok. I did not like them very much at first but I kind of got used to them. With the right hull material and warp nacelles they don't look too bad.
I don't like the looks of the Phantom Intel Escort and the Dauntless. But the ugliest ship by far is the Qib Intel Battlecruiser. It's the only ship I haven't tried out yet. It's... hideous. It looks like an Origami figure, like a paper plane. It's terrible!
If i recall the intel ships were a section 31 design, just like the Vengeance is in the jj universe.
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The Intel ships are extremely flat, and otherwise follow standard Starfleet designs. A Miranda/Nebula Type design (2 nacelles + saucer, no engineering section, some kind of bar roll), a Constellation/Prometheus design (4 nacelles, saucer), and Defiant (pylon-less uni-body with nacelles). The non-Intel ship follows the Constitution design (with a definite throwback to the Ambassador specifically).
I definitely like the Eclipse and Phantom. The Scryer is a bit of a mixed bag, but it has grown on me to. I can't get excited about the Guardian design, but I was never a big fan of the Ambassador either. Constitution Refit, Excelsior, Galaxy, Sovereign, those are the good ones.
What I don't like are the Intel materials. I use Type 2 and Type 6 currently instead.
The best part though is that the Federation Intel ships still carry the spirit of existing Federation designs, unlike the Temporal ships (which are nice too, but very far future).
It's ok to call the Qib "Un-Klingon" though because they never were big on trying to be extravagant compared to functional (though the Krenn and Korath Temporal ships do have a bit of the faceted look going on in the command section).
I hope we get more Intel ships in the Intel style, along with some non-Intel T6s just to placate the rest of the playerbase who don't enjoy the Intel design, like we got with the Guardian and Dauntless for Feds, Aelahl for Roms, and the Mat'Ha. It's a refreshing series of unique designs that still fit into the general canon of the game (if they didn't, CBS wouldn't even green-light the inclusion of the Intel ships in the first place).
The Intel ships were based off of Stealth Fighters not the USS Vengeance according to this blog.
The Starfleet Intel ships are a Starfleet Intelligence design not a Section 31 design. Section 31 would not release their designs to Starfleet Admirals.
I kind of like the new KDF ships, the raptor looks nice, the battlcruiser a little odd (looks like a raptor and the head is too wide) but its "ok". Both are sort of rehashes, not very creative.
The rehash of the DD for the third time (dyson, DD, and now the new lite thing) is boring for roms, and the other one also is just another birdish shape. Nothing exciting, not really ugly, but nothing new either.
The fed ships... are all over the place. Guardian is a rehash, and the scryer isnt too far off the usual. The intel ship is new and interesting. The experimental is different as well. At least a little creativity showed up here. Of course, they had twice as many new ships as anyone else, so they had more chances to branch out and do stuff....
Maybe Dr. Bashir saw them while walking around in Sloan's brain.
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I'd bet they'd look a lot like civilian ships, you know the whole hiding in plain sight thing. I am willing to be all those Mudd Co. freighters hanging about are nothing but a front for Section 31 operatives.
So, are these T6 really that fugly? I used to think so, but gotten kinda used to em by now, I guess. One of them really just looks like an elongated Fleet Advanced Escort, though.
For the record, I don't care for the current federation Tier 6 line up, and hope they role out some more options soon.
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I love both KDF ships, especially the raptor. The raptor is a work of art.
I love the Dauntless and Guardian design. The Guardian's lines remind me of a newer Ambassador class. I like it a lot.
The Other three Fed ships, well, They aren't my favorite, but you can customize them interchanging the nacelles, and hull textures into something more pleasing.
The escort is actually the better looking of the three fed intell ships IMO, with the Scryer being my least favorite, as a fleet mate said, "It looks like a flying bottle opener.'
But they are different, just like the Solenee science ships are. It's nice to see a evolution of Starfleet vessels. Think of them as prototypes. That's what I do.
What I really would love to see is Cryptic's take on an updated Excelsior class. A T6 ship preferably.
The resemblance is uncanny, I think: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ambassador_class_model
Which I personally would very much enjoy, since the Guardian hits all the right design cues I like compared to the Galaxy or Ambassador designs, while still retaining the Federation look (same reason I love the Odyssey over the Excelsior and Sovereign looks).
Then they can do pretty but not so good, so people will buy for looks.
Then they can do ugly but OP because OP sells.
They then can do pretty and good, and people will buy it.
Then they can do Fleet Versions.
Then they can do TX-U Versions.
Then they can do TX+1, and the whole frakking process begins again.
And the best part is, we will all still want our canon T5s to be as good...
The Phantom intel Escort: has a deflector array half buried in the front, as if someone forgot there was supposed to be a cut out chunk at the front, which would look alot better than the current rounded biscuit look and less boring IMO. It would also allow us to show our deflector animations instead of them being stuck half inside the ship. I love the homage to the Defiant Class but the forward section needs looking at and maybe given a choice of cut outs and/or deflector looks. At the moment it looks like an ugly duckling a bit half arsed.
Btw all fed intel ships could do with having a different deflector look when in intel skin as a bright blue light looks bland and cheap as hell, more detail needed on deflector surfaces, Devs you have some wonderful deflectors already in game like the Aventine, Sovereign, even Intrepid and probably some more. Actually Deflector look would be a nice customization option to have on ships in future.
The Faeht intel Warbird: Scale is wrong compared to other warbird/escorts, it looks like it should be slightly bigger, neck is slightly too short too and what is with the big gaps under it's wings, surely adding some cannons under there would have been nice tbh it looks pretty bland, small and not enough windows (we could have had intel windows like the KDF cruiser except in green lights) Also when the wings are pointed down they look longer than in other configurations, to be honest that length looks fine, makes it look like a BoP.
The Aelahl Warbird Battlecruiser: This ships is lovely except for the forward Bridge section, theres no deflector at all which looks incredibly silly with the effects flashing out of nowhere. We could have done with an alternate Config one where it was less bullet shaped and more like the Ar'kif with all that detail which looks very nice as it has a deflector albeit a tiny one
Qib intel Battlecruiser: Well it is rather flat, fan cake style and again scale looks a bit small, neck is a touch too short especially when it is in the config with the wings swept forward. Would have loved a config with wings forward and turned down slightly at the ends with nacelles underneath. Oh by the way, what is with the odd L shaped carrying handle on it's neck? as if something was supposed to be attached there, it looks weird and out of place, perhaps a longer neck and a mid T piece attachment insired by th Vor'Cha could be used here. This is supposed to be a Battlecruiser and looks a bit wimpy. Other than that I love the colours the skin detail and cannon placements forward section etc.
I know people reading this will think I'm obsessed with defectors, well tbh I'm not I just think if your going to go to the trouble of designing new effects for deflector arrays then the least you can do is allow us to see them properly and incorporate this into your designs as a feature.
I hope someone reads this feedback, just my opinions on a few of the ships, btw I love the Guardian it is faultless. And the Dauntless is pretty cool I call it my little bag of dirty tricks.
It's weird because the design is un-Klingon, but the stealth functionality is not. I always thought it was strange that the Klingons accuse the Romulans of being honorless, and then turn around and use cloaking technology just like the Romulans.
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I've warmed up to it.
I suppose if there weren't other changes in the game that have pissed me off I would give more thought to what the ships look like, but a ship model compared to the nerf hammer on too many things is irrelevant.