I don't want to get into the game is dying mantra but things are not all good. DR made this game alt/new player unfriendly.
I have 3 toons, One level 60, one level 46, and one level 10. I haven't touched the 46 and 10 since before DR launched and honestly have no motivation to do so going forward as it's taking too much time dealing with my level 60 character and still feels like I'm getting nowhere from a gear progression perspective.
I will just post something I posted in another thread:
The problem is Superior Kits (with the new queue revamps) are essentially unobtainable. Which means 12k dilithium PER ITEM to upgrade them to Mk XIII. It even MORE expensive to go to Mk XIV. You are looking at several HUNDRED THOUSAND dilithium just to upgrade ONE character to ONE full set of gear.
Want to go for Rarity increase? Better sell your first born to PWE now...
The problem is Superior Kits (with the new queue revamps) are essentially unobtainable. Which means 12k dilithium PER ITEM to upgrade them to Mk XIII. It even MORE expensive to go to Mk XIV. You are looking at several HUNDRED THOUSAND dilithium just to upgrade ONE character to ONE full set of gear.
Want to go for Rarity increase? Better sell your first born to PWE now...
You simply need to get your Crafting level to 15 to make Superior Kits cheaply. I have 4 disciplines at 15 right now. Not a big deal at all. Just takes a little time. And I am currently doing ASTFs with a T5U Sovereign with Mk XII gear doing around 15k DPS - I have done over two dozen and have not failed one yet with my Fleet.
Now how many items do you need to Craft? 8 weapons, Shields, Engines, Deflectors, Warp Core, and 11 Consoles. So 23 items. At roughly 6,000 Diltihium each you are looking at 138,000 Dilithium, or 17 days at 8K per day. So in less then 1 month I can Upgrade my ship to Mk XIII, if that were my only objective.
I understand the "want it now" concept but I can live with 3-4 months to get a full set of Mk XIV gear. I have spent far more time then that grinding Raids in WoW to get end-game Raid Gear.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
People that used to play multiple toons (vast majority of playerbase) are now only buying stuff for that 1 toon that they are going to be leveling for months instead of 3 or 4 or 10 of their toons.
Congratulations, we are now leveling at a snail's pace on a single toon and you are losing a ton of money because nobody is going to buy stuff for additional toons that will take months to level and upgrade, which will be months from now after they level their main toon (if they stick around that long).
Because of Delta Rising and Cryptic's decision making, PvE is dying more and more every day, and PvP is all but dead. Even the roleplayers are leaving.
Great fiscal strategy.
dont know about everyone but i am playing my three toons all about the same and when you consider that DR is only 2 weeks old and they are all on lvl55 i think thats fine.
i have never had more then 3 toons, cant see the point if i had more my 3 current toons would only suffer as a consiquence, there are only so many hours a day you can spend playing so say i spend 2 hours in game thats about 40 minutes per toon but if i had say 6 toons that would only allow 20 minutes per toon, thats barely enough time to clear completed doff missions and set up new ones plus maybe do an academy lore mission on each one.
it certaily would leave no time for playing events like mirror or CE or even playing any story missions or any of the other bits and bobs i do on a regular basis.
i also know that my fleetmates and friends are playing multiple toons as i see them switching toons when it pops up in the chat window so i dont know where you got your stats from but it certainly dosent apply to myself or anyone i know.
personally i kinda like the leveling rate as it is now, i always thought the rate was far too fast in the first place its much better that it gonna take a little while longer.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I don't understand these statements going around that players "need to" or "have to" grind spec points or upgrade gear. If skill point progression had the ability to be turned off, you would still be able to do what you want. The logic going around here and in other threads is that the game is nigh unplayable if you don't have all epic mkXIV gear and maxed out specializations.
Not only are a lot of these new features dil sinks, they are also massive time sinks. I believe Cryptic's intentions are to lengthen the "life" of your char(s), but now we have people ******** that it takes too long or is too expensive.
Some people need to calm down and get some patience. You WILL have max spec points/gear... it just takes time.
The problem is Superior Kits (with the new queue revamps) are essentially unobtainable. Which means 12k dilithium PER ITEM to upgrade them to Mk XIII. It even MORE expensive to go to Mk XIV. You are looking at several HUNDRED THOUSAND dilithium just to upgrade ONE character to ONE full set of gear.
Want to go for Rarity increase? Better sell your first born to PWE now...
I craft my own kits. A lot of people didn't buy into crafting and haven't leveled it one bit. I did the 20 hour thing only and I'm already at 15 in most of the schools. Craft low level items. Use self crafted kits to upgrade. One can get epic quality even before it's mk X and it's incredibly cheaper than buying a mk XII and upgrading it for gold. In fact, get the mats from someone who wants a kit and keep the extras from crits. You don't even need to charge them for the service. The person gets semi cheap kits and you get free kits. Win/Win There's a lot of ways to upgrade on the cheap,
I don't understand these statements going around that players "need to" or "have to" grind spec points or upgrade gear. If skill point progression had the ability to be turned off, you would still be able to do what you want. The logic going around here and in other threads is that the game is nigh unplayable if you don't have all epic mkXIV gear and maxed out specializations.
Not only are a lot of these new features dil sinks, they are also massive time sinks. I believe Cryptic's intentions are to lengthen the "life" of your char(s), but now we have people ******** that it takes too long or is too expensive.
Some people need to calm down and get some patience. You WILL have max spec points/gear... it just takes time.
at the rate im playing now, it will take 5 year to upgrade completly 10 toons ... and for what, cryptic killed pvp
You simply need to get your Crafting level to 15 to make Superior Kits cheaply. I have 4 disciplines at 15 right now. Not a big deal at all. Just takes a little time. And I am currently doing ASTFs with a T5U Sovereign with Mk XII gear doing around 15k DPS - I have done over two dozen and have not failed one yet with my Fleet.
Where's the option at level 15 to craft queue only mats out of regular ones?
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
You simply need to get your Crafting level to 15 to make Superior Kits cheaply. I have 4 disciplines at 15 right now. Not a big deal at all. Just takes a little time. And I am currently doing ASTFs with a T5U Sovereign with Mk XII gear doing around 15k DPS - I have done over two dozen and have not failed one yet with my Fleet.
Now how many items do you need to Craft? 8 weapons, Shields, Engines, Deflectors, Warp Core, and 11 Consoles. So 23 items. At roughly 6,000 Diltihium each you are looking at 138,000 Dilithium, or 17 days at 8K per day. So in less then 1 month I can Upgrade my ship to Mk XIII, if that were my only objective.
I understand the "want it now" concept but I can live with 3-4 months to get a full set of Mk XIV gear. I have spent far more time then that grinding Raids in WoW to get end-game Raid Gear.
The issue with the superior kits is not crafting level. I too am Level 15. The issue is getting the materials to craft the kits. You have to play on Advanced to get them and the Advanced setting (especially when pugging) is tedious and unfun.
Secondly, your math is way off. It may take 6-8 upgrade for beams, but Engines/Shields/Deflectors, those are twice as much. And again, you are failing to take Mk XIV into consideration at all in your math.
My issues is not the time gates. My issue is that is order to get by them, you have to play the game full time. Maybe this is the way WoW works, which is precisely why I DON'T play that BS. If this is the future of STO, then I need to just walk away now and cut my losses.
at the rate im playing now, it will take 5 year to upgrade completly 10 toons ... and for what, cryptic killed pvp
Well, that is a result of having 10 characters. You can't play them all at the same time.
As far as Cryptic is concerned... I personally believe that they are trying to homogenize all factions so that one day they can finally, "officially", kill pvp and unify everyone under one faction (but that's a conspiracy theory for another day).
The issue with the superior kits is not crafting level. I too am Level 15. The issue is getting the materials to craft the kits. You have to play on Advanced to get them and the Advanced setting (especially when pugging) is tedious and unfun.
They were tedius and unfun before the change too. There is never anything exciting about doing the same thing 10 times in a row whether it takes 5 minutes or 15.
Secondly, your math is way off. It may take 6-8 upgrade for beams, but Engines/Shields/Deflectors, those are twice as much. And again, you are failing to take Mk XIV into consideration at all in your math.
My math is not "way off." The point was that I can easily get all my gear to Mk XIII in a month; and can easily get my gear to Mk XIV in 3-4 months if I wanted to. As I said, I spent more time in WoW doing Raids to get a full set of Purple gear.
My issues is not the time gates. My issue is that is order to get by them, you have to play the game full time. Maybe this is the way WoW works, which is precisely why I DON'T play that BS. If this is the future of STO, then I need to just walk away now and cut my losses.
Well, goodbye then. I hope you find a game more to your liking. I am currently playing over a dozen games. Variety is the spice of life.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Should have brought some cheese. First the game is not dead. Both my Fed and Klink fleets are doing quite well. So I can't have everything all at once! I don't care. Game is still fun. :rolleyes: Maybe if you put all time your whining into playing you would have something. :cool:
But... aren't people already playing this game every day? Tomorrow or three months from now, the only difference is time.
I cant speak for everybody but I'm certainly not playing every day. I spend most of my heavy game time in MWO and just treat STO as super-casual sideline now
Well, goodbye then. I hope you find a game more to your liking
I am sure I will.
It's a shame after 4 years and weekly Zen purchases that it has come to this.
Hope you spend a ton of money on Cryptic, because you and about 12 other people are going to have to support the game yourself moving forward, based on the way the forums and queues look now.
Hope you spend a ton of money on Cryptic, because you and about 12 other people are going to have to support the game yourself moving forward, based on the way the forums and queues look now.
If you have bothered to read some of my posts over the last few years then you would know I have not spent a single dollar on STO since it went FTP nearly 3 years ago. Every ship and item I owned was gotten via the Dilithium Exchange.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
With that said, I dont like many of the cryptic desitions, but I have to admit this: they are good at making money and milking ppl.
Numbers maybe are not good as LOR ones, but the milking is 10 times bigger. The money that they make now from 1 player, maybe the equibalent of 5 players on LOR.
So, until ppl buy new ships, upgrade items, and so on, DR will be a success and things are not going to change.
If you have bothered to read some of my posts over the last few years then you would know I have not spent a single dollar on STO since it went FTP nearly 3 years ago. Every ship and item I owned was gotten via the Dilithium Exchange.
Then you are in trouble because the people who pay money are flocking away in droves.
I have changed how I play STO. Instead of trying to keep my toons all in close range with one another, I have focused on two and the others will wait until I tire of playing these two. I've never been in a hurry to get all the latest shinys or use the newest game features anyway. As proof I am just now on level two of the Dyson Rep with all five of my toons. New features and shinys in this game are usually buggy as all get out at release and then shortly after they get smashed flat with a nerfbat.
There area great many people playing STO who do want everything right now. This is due to them being able to get everything right now in the past. I see nothing at all wrong with this. They enjoy playing the game this way. Being first and out ahead of the pack is their way of enjoying themselves. As long as they are having fun while playing STO, what is the harm in them being able to acquire the newest shinys at the speed they were allowed to in the past? The way things are now, they cannot. Which means they are probably not playing the game as much. And they are not playing as long when they do play. Which greatly reduces pwe/cryptic's ability to convert their game time into revenue.
I'm going to play at my own pace and for my own enjoyment no matter what. At 52 years old, I am long past trying to keep up with players who are young enough to be my children or grandchildren. But if the kids were allowed to race madly ahead in the past and now they are not, no one should be surprised at the upset caused by this. Taking this away is a bad business decision and someone will eventually pay the price for it. I'd rather it not be the entire player base.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
Then you are in trouble because the people who pay money are flocking away in droves.
I have been gaming since '97 and Ultima Online and have left dozens of games - and seen several of them shutdown. It happens, but it is a game, not my life. I will simply keep playing other games. Thanks for your concern about me, though.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I have been gaming since '97 and Ultima Online and have left dozens of games - and seen several of them shutdown. It happens, but it is a game, not my life. I will simply keep playing other games. Thanks for your concern about me, though.
Good for you. Games move on. I have no doubt STO will eventually close. I was thinking it would run for 10ish years, but apparently it will be 4.
I cant speak for everybody but I'm certainly not playing every day. I spend most of my heavy game time in MWO and just treat STO as super-casual sideline now
Which is cool. My point is that even as an uber-super casual, you can still get max specs and gear. It just takes time.
If you count logging in, collecting your research results, punching in new research projects, and then logging out as playing, then yes.
If some people feel the need to "play" that way until they are ranked up in spec and gear, so be it. Again, my point is that this is all a time sink... which MMOs are all about. Now, I'm not saying that the changes to stfs/xp are valid or warranted, but I can see the direction they are taking the game.
I'm not one to overly care what my gear is or how much dps I'm doing (though I am always trying to get "better"). As long as fun is being had then I'm happy. Lacking 50 spec points or not having all epic mkXIV gear does not ruin the enjoyment of the game for me.
Good for you. Games move on. I have no doubt STO will eventually close. I was thinking it would run for 10ish years, but apparently it will be 4.
I am certain they will make it to, at least, Feb and make their 5th Anniversary. And as I said, above, even though many may not like DR I have no doubt that it has been incredibly profitable for them. So I think the game will probably go 6 - heck, even SWG lasted 6 years past the incredibly unpopular NGE.
I doubt NGames is going to get their Star Trek MMO out before year 6, anyway - assuming they do not fold like Gameforge's ST: Infinite Space did before getting to Launch.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Good for you. Games move on. I have no doubt STO will eventually close. I was thinking it would run for 10ish years, but apparently it will be 4.
lol no.. the problem is that we only see it from our eyes perspective. Yes, DR was TRIBBLE for many players, but from the company eyes, they could be making more money now. They increase the money milking with the ship upgrade, item upgrade, tier 6 ship, crafting TRIBBLE and all that.
So they just milk much more money from less players, at the end of the day, they make more money than before.
Cryptic does not live from average player, they live from the 10% whales.. and until whales stay, they will keep doing well.
lol no.. the problem is that we only see it from our eyes perspective. Yes, DR was TRIBBLE for many players, but from the company eyes, they could be making more money now. They increase the money milking with the ship upgrade, item upgrade, tier 6 ship, crafting TRIBBLE and all that.
So they just milk much more money from less players, at the end of the day, they make more money than before.
Cryptic does not live from average player, they live from the 10% whales.. and until whales stay, they will keep doing well.
I am certain they will make it to, at least, Feb and make their 5th Anniversary. And as I said, above, even though many may not like DR I have no doubt that it has been incredibly profitable for them. So I think the game will probably go 6 - heck, even SWG lasted 6 years past the incredibly unpopular NGE.
I doubt NGames is going to get their Star Trek MMO out before year 6, anyway - assuming they do not fold like Gameforge's ST: Infinite Space did before getting to Launch.
Are you a whale? Whales are not the ones who paid 20 dollas a month, or buy a couple of ships. Whales are the one that were Tier 20 on crafting the first day, players that spend thousands of dollars each month. And thouse whales are bearly affected, beacose with money you can fix most of the DR problems.
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I have 3 toons, One level 60, one level 46, and one level 10. I haven't touched the 46 and 10 since before DR launched and honestly have no motivation to do so going forward as it's taking too much time dealing with my level 60 character and still feels like I'm getting nowhere from a gear progression perspective.
The problem is Superior Kits (with the new queue revamps) are essentially unobtainable. Which means 12k dilithium PER ITEM to upgrade them to Mk XIII. It even MORE expensive to go to Mk XIV. You are looking at several HUNDRED THOUSAND dilithium just to upgrade ONE character to ONE full set of gear.
Want to go for Rarity increase? Better sell your first born to PWE now...
Now how many items do you need to Craft? 8 weapons, Shields, Engines, Deflectors, Warp Core, and 11 Consoles. So 23 items. At roughly 6,000 Diltihium each you are looking at 138,000 Dilithium, or 17 days at 8K per day. So in less then 1 month I can Upgrade my ship to Mk XIII, if that were my only objective.
I understand the "want it now" concept but I can live with 3-4 months to get a full set of Mk XIV gear. I have spent far more time then that grinding Raids in WoW to get end-game Raid Gear.
dont know about everyone but i am playing my three toons all about the same and when you consider that DR is only 2 weeks old and they are all on lvl55 i think thats fine.
i have never had more then 3 toons, cant see the point if i had more my 3 current toons would only suffer as a consiquence, there are only so many hours a day you can spend playing so say i spend 2 hours in game thats about 40 minutes per toon but if i had say 6 toons that would only allow 20 minutes per toon, thats barely enough time to clear completed doff missions and set up new ones plus maybe do an academy lore mission on each one.
it certaily would leave no time for playing events like mirror or CE or even playing any story missions or any of the other bits and bobs i do on a regular basis.
i also know that my fleetmates and friends are playing multiple toons as i see them switching toons when it pops up in the chat window so i dont know where you got your stats from but it certainly dosent apply to myself or anyone i know.
personally i kinda like the leveling rate as it is now, i always thought the rate was far too fast in the first place its much better that it gonna take a little while longer.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I don't understand these statements going around that players "need to" or "have to" grind spec points or upgrade gear. If skill point progression had the ability to be turned off, you would still be able to do what you want. The logic going around here and in other threads is that the game is nigh unplayable if you don't have all epic mkXIV gear and maxed out specializations.
Not only are a lot of these new features dil sinks, they are also massive time sinks. I believe Cryptic's intentions are to lengthen the "life" of your char(s), but now we have people ******** that it takes too long or is too expensive.
Some people need to calm down and get some patience. You WILL have max spec points/gear... it just takes time.
I craft my own kits. A lot of people didn't buy into crafting and haven't leveled it one bit. I did the 20 hour thing only and I'm already at 15 in most of the schools. Craft low level items. Use self crafted kits to upgrade. One can get epic quality even before it's mk X and it's incredibly cheaper than buying a mk XII and upgrading it for gold. In fact, get the mats from someone who wants a kit and keep the extras from crits. You don't even need to charge them for the service. The person gets semi cheap kits and you get free kits. Win/Win There's a lot of ways to upgrade on the cheap,
at the rate im playing now, it will take 5 year to upgrade completly 10 toons ... and for what, cryptic killed pvp
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Where's the option at level 15 to craft queue only mats out of regular ones?
The issue with the superior kits is not crafting level. I too am Level 15. The issue is getting the materials to craft the kits. You have to play on Advanced to get them and the Advanced setting (especially when pugging) is tedious and unfun.
Secondly, your math is way off. It may take 6-8 upgrade for beams, but Engines/Shields/Deflectors, those are twice as much. And again, you are failing to take Mk XIV into consideration at all in your math.
My issues is not the time gates. My issue is that is order to get by them, you have to play the game full time. Maybe this is the way WoW works, which is precisely why I DON'T play that BS. If this is the future of STO, then I need to just walk away now and cut my losses.
Well, that is a result of having 10 characters. You can't play them all at the same time.
As far as Cryptic is concerned... I personally believe that they are trying to homogenize all factions so that one day they can finally, "officially", kill pvp and unify everyone under one faction (but that's a conspiracy theory for another day).
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And then be able to reliably get queue-only mats.
My math is not "way off." The point was that I can easily get all my gear to Mk XIII in a month; and can easily get my gear to Mk XIV in 3-4 months if I wanted to. As I said, I spent more time in WoW doing Raids to get a full set of Purple gear.
Well, goodbye then. I hope you find a game more to your liking. I am currently playing over a dozen games. Variety is the spice of life.
But... aren't people already playing this game every day? Tomorrow or three months from now, the only difference is time.
If you count logging in, collecting your research results, punching in new research projects, and then logging out as playing, then yes.
I am sure I will.
It's a shame after 4 years and weekly Zen purchases that it has come to this.
Hope you spend a ton of money on Cryptic, because you and about 12 other people are going to have to support the game yourself moving forward, based on the way the forums and queues look now.
With that said, I dont like many of the cryptic desitions, but I have to admit this: they are good at making money and milking ppl.
Numbers maybe are not good as LOR ones, but the milking is 10 times bigger. The money that they make now from 1 player, maybe the equibalent of 5 players on LOR.
So, until ppl buy new ships, upgrade items, and so on, DR will be a success and things are not going to change.
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Then you are in trouble because the people who pay money are flocking away in droves.
There area great many people playing STO who do want everything right now. This is due to them being able to get everything right now in the past. I see nothing at all wrong with this. They enjoy playing the game this way. Being first and out ahead of the pack is their way of enjoying themselves. As long as they are having fun while playing STO, what is the harm in them being able to acquire the newest shinys at the speed they were allowed to in the past? The way things are now, they cannot. Which means they are probably not playing the game as much. And they are not playing as long when they do play. Which greatly reduces pwe/cryptic's ability to convert their game time into revenue.
I'm going to play at my own pace and for my own enjoyment no matter what. At 52 years old, I am long past trying to keep up with players who are young enough to be my children or grandchildren. But if the kids were allowed to race madly ahead in the past and now they are not, no one should be surprised at the upset caused by this. Taking this away is a bad business decision and someone will eventually pay the price for it. I'd rather it not be the entire player base.
Good for you. Games move on. I have no doubt STO will eventually close. I was thinking it would run for 10ish years, but apparently it will be 4.
Which is cool. My point is that even as an uber-super casual, you can still get max specs and gear. It just takes time.
If some people feel the need to "play" that way until they are ranked up in spec and gear, so be it. Again, my point is that this is all a time sink... which MMOs are all about. Now, I'm not saying that the changes to stfs/xp are valid or warranted, but I can see the direction they are taking the game.
I'm not one to overly care what my gear is or how much dps I'm doing (though I am always trying to get "better"). As long as fun is being had then I'm happy. Lacking 50 spec points or not having all epic mkXIV gear does not ruin the enjoyment of the game for me.
I doubt NGames is going to get their Star Trek MMO out before year 6, anyway - assuming they do not fold like Gameforge's ST: Infinite Space did before getting to Launch.
lol no.. the problem is that we only see it from our eyes perspective. Yes, DR was TRIBBLE for many players, but from the company eyes, they could be making more money now. They increase the money milking with the ship upgrade, item upgrade, tier 6 ship, crafting TRIBBLE and all that.
So they just milk much more money from less players, at the end of the day, they make more money than before.
Cryptic does not live from average player, they live from the 10% whales.. and until whales stay, they will keep doing well.
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That's my point....this whale is leaving.
Do you mean 6 years after NGE ?
Are you a whale? Whales are not the ones who paid 20 dollas a month, or buy a couple of ships. Whales are the one that were Tier 20 on crafting the first day, players that spend thousands of dollars each month. And thouse whales are bearly affected, beacose with money you can fix most of the DR problems.
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