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skurf
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Now the metrics say there's nobody playing.
Those that are playing only play 1 toon.
People that used to play multiple toons (vast majority of playerbase) are now only buying stuff for that 1 toon that they are going to be leveling for months instead of 3 or 4 or 10 of their toons.
Congratulations, we are now leveling at a snail's pace on a single toon and you are losing a ton of money because nobody is going to buy stuff for additional toons that will take months to level and upgrade, which will be months from now after they level their main toon (if they stick around that long).
Because of Delta Rising and Cryptic's decision making, PvE is dying more and more every day, and PvP is all but dead. Even the roleplayers are leaving.
Great fiscal strategy.
Those that are playing only play 1 toon.
People that used to play multiple toons (vast majority of playerbase) are now only buying stuff for that 1 toon that they are going to be leveling for months instead of 3 or 4 or 10 of their toons.
Congratulations, we are now leveling at a snail's pace on a single toon and you are losing a ton of money because nobody is going to buy stuff for additional toons that will take months to level and upgrade, which will be months from now after they level their main toon (if they stick around that long).
Because of Delta Rising and Cryptic's decision making, PvE is dying more and more every day, and PvP is all but dead. Even the roleplayers are leaving.
Great fiscal strategy.
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Steam Charts says October led to a 42.83 % rise in average player count.
You probably have another source for the information.
I get that you don't like the leveling speed. Me neither. But that doesn't mean it actually is reflected in player counts. Maybe it takes more time to manifest. But for now, it did not.
There's no doubt there was a player increase after the expansion. But numbers have been dwindling ever since the XP nerf. Look at any social zone that used to be bustling with activity. Look at the PvE queus which were previously stacked to the brim. Look at the PvP queue, which before would have enough population to get a game within a minute or two at almost any time. Look at your friend's list. Talk to people. These are all indicators.
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No, they're not perfect, because Steam is only a single entry point into the game.
I've already covered this in-depth elsewhere so not going into it in great detail again. However, a few points:
- DR was promoted as "the most successful launch ever". Yet, its peak player count and its average player count are both less than Legacy of Romulus. Thus, Legacy of Romulus appears to be the most successful launch to date.
- Because Steam is only a single entry point, the raw figures are not helpful indicators; however, they can indicate comparative measures such as percentage differences.
- Legacy of Romulus had high figures in both May and June of 2013, higher than Delta Rising's October figures, both in terms of average players, and in terms of peak player base
- February 2014 likewise had a strong average player base, nearly as high as DR
- Last week's figures are not very clear anymore due to the continuing movement of the chart; however the pattern noted at the time was one of consistent drops. This was reversed immediately upon the reversing of the retro-nerf.
Together with anecdotal information on queues, it appears that STO's player figures are not as healthy as the public relations for DR suggested; peak was quite low and only slightly higher than Summer and Winter Events, and seemed to drop off within two weeks.The monthly rises and falls are difficult to judge during the period in which they are being collated so the ultimate outcome of Delta Rising will likely not be known until January, when October (launch month), November (sinking month), and December (cessation/return to 'normal levels') is complete.
If people wish to look at these statistics, I suggest looking at all that are available (both average, and peak), and be disciplined in how you use them, by being mindful of their 'single source' status, their 'still in flux' status, and using them as indicators to compare one period with another. Just looking at a percentage "monthly average" that's still in flux and assuming that it shows success or failure on its own may be misleading.
Addition: as I've pointed out previously, unless there's a reason to believe that there has been a large shift in STO players from Steam to other entry points of recent times, then there's no reason to disbelieve the Steam statistics as indicators. The introduction of Arc's own login may have affected the ability to make direct comparisons of monthly average of May 2013 and October 2014 but it would not affect percentage drop-off rate comparisons. Again, it's about being disciplined in making those comparisons. If you wish to disbelieve the stats then you can; but you'd need to justify that if you wish to tell others that they should not.
Fleet members at lvl 60 1, 55 to 60 2, 50 to 55 4, out of 76 of which 54 are lvl 50 & yes just over half are atls. It dont look good.
Any fleet which is not tier 5 is now screwed including mine. only had tier 5 to complete,,,:(
After the launch of course there was an increase, but I would bet its now more like 40% left the game. Or at least, play far less than before.
I think it's fair that the OP's original post was talking about anecdotal evidence rather than metrics or statistics. However, that doesn't mean that anecdotal information somehow is false, it's simply more open to interpretation and interpretive bias (which I'm pointing out purely for intellectual honesty and not to suggest the interpretation is problematic, or not problematic). An important point for people to note is that there really isn't any information that is truly complete; all information will have gaps, including statistics. Using a percentage figure as a be-all and end-all is what leads to "lies, damned lies, and statistics"... real stats aren't misleading so much as they're prone to be used in a misleading way, by not being fully aware of their limitations.
I also think it's important to note that being dismissive of evidence simply gives people even less information to go on: if someone wants to dismiss the Steam stats because they're not a census, and wants to completely dismiss anecdote, then congratulations: you've got nothing at all to go on.
I feel that this is bad for Cryptic, since nearly everyone I know who plays STO has many alts, and purchases things for those alts. My suggestion would be some sort of boon to the upgrade system after you've hit level 15 (if there is one already I'm unaware of it) to encourage people to get their alts through crafting as well. And make a worthwhile XP booster.... I'm talking 1 million bonus xp for $10. The current offering is terrible, and no matter how bad you mess with leveling, you won't sell very many of them.
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Truth there. Thankfully, we are T5 Fed side and hit T5 on our Klink fleet a few months back. With so much Dilithium, as well as other resources, not to mention time, needed for individuals, I would hate to be trying to level fleet holdings now.
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Take into effect that I only play less than 4 hours per week. During that time, I got my Fed to Lv52, KDF Lv51 and Romulan to Lv51. Since the game launched. My KDF and Romulan should be Lv52 after I play next weekend. As that is when I usually have time to play.
Compared to what time I have to play. I say I'm leveling really nicely. Specially working on 3 characters to boot.
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Yes this happend to my fleet. After the launch old players came back and played (happy time) then cryptic nerved the xp and killed the patrol missions, everone is gone again.
I normaly played with 8 characters (got 14) now i switch between 2.
all the character i have : http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=16715151&postcount=1
the OP is right, all my friends are upgrading only one character and are not interested to grind more since the exp nerf , i also hear alote of complaint about ppl quitting the game !!!
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Now was DR a good mechanical Launch? No, it was handled terribly by Cryptic, but that does not mean it was not a huge financial success for them. In the grand scheme of things people will eventually be looking back on DR's Launch with the same rose-colored glasses they currently look back at the LoR Launch with - and they will probably be complaining about how much the Launch of Cardassia Unleashed sucks compared to Delta Rising.
If you are finding yourself moving too slowly then that is a problem with you, not the game.
remember, you need to do 70 mroe lvl after 60 , also like spend 300 milllion ec and over a milllion dilitium for upgrade your stuff mk 14 per character
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ditto. i killed 8 alts jsut so i would not even bother to try. and still have 8 left on my primary account with 10 open slots now . and all but one are just for dil. and i dont even bother for the daily cap on them all jsut one maybe 2 fast missions for 1 or 2 k dil per day per toon slot some duty officer missions for contraband and crafting mats and then they are done for the day.
no way im going to even try and get them lvled up. or the ships thewy use. on kdf side my sci toon who used a fleet kamarang isnt getting an upgrade because im not playing him anymore thats one token sale they lost . my engineer that has the fleet D7 isnt getting an upgrade thats another token sale lost. my tact rommie in his fleet tavaro isnt getting and upgrade another token sale lost. not upgrading weapons on any of them either no point in it.
only my main am i spending anything on. and the few alts that just happen to possibly use hte same ships he does for the carry over upgrade.
so yeah id like to see the ops source but i sure do not doubt it either .
Same here.
Same here. Already deleted half my characters and only play 2 of the ones that remain.
no...no you don't...
It's only a problem for the "I want it now" people. There's way cheaper ways to upgrade items than plowing through it with loads EC and Dilithium.
Such as? Citation needed.
To my knowledge, the upgrade system is a dilithium sink. How can you upgrade "without spending loads of Dilithium"?
I am now working on guy number 2 and play the level 60 through stuff I want to do regularly for him now and he has half a skillpoint accumulated. You dont "need" to have it now this is a self impossed need.
The only thing I can't do is battle of korfez now because well I have not got the gear for it. Everything else is unlocked and doable with a t5 ship and upgraded weapons on advanced. As someone who pays a sub and not purchases zen for ships I am now busy accumulating dilithium to earn my new stuff so it feels less like pay 2 win for me. (this is *my* self impossed limit just like others seems to require all skillpoints within 1-2 weeks of hitting 60)
As for the rest of it
q's are slower I think but not all q's had people in them prior to this new expansion
DS9 is still busy and so it the station errm drokana or whatever my mind just went blank on the name. I go to get marks on one guy in romulan zone and everyone is screaming for tagging groups and the dyson sphere seems as busy as usual. /shrug
Actually, 50 more levels. Plus 30 for any new primary specializations that get released later, plus 15 for any new secondary specializations - but you can't earn those until the specializations themselves are released.
Financially, however, you are quite correct. 300 million EC actually seems like a small figure given the price of superior upgrades, and a million dilithium is way over the top - though attempting to upgrade everything to Epic will make a million dilithium seem as underwhelming as 300 million EC already is.
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