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Is STO past the point of no return?

stuart1965stuart1965 Member Posts: 691 Arc User
By no return i mean,can cryptic ever fix this game to put it back to what it was?
This being without any losses to players.
I currently can not get back in due to installation problems,and quite honestly i wonder if its even worth still trying to come back.
At the moment,i have gone onto playing SWTOR,which i absolutely enjoy,as theres no grinding to do in it.The graphics are superb as is the interaction as well.Its running smooth as a babies bottom.
I will still hold up a candle light so to speak,regards STO,in the ultra rare hope,cryptic will get their act together,and properly fix the game,with all their punitive measures stopped and reversed.
A game that works properly,that is affordable for players,that is regularly maintained and swept for bugs,that is fun to play with no more grinding.
An easier game and not an impossible one is an absolute must have.
A happier playerbase will mean more money for cryptic,if the game is working properly and bug free. Get bugs fixed quickly,and not abandon them until a next patch. thats what needs to be done.
If the game is for the players,and not dollar signs rolling in cryptics eyes all the time,the better things will eventually be.
Regular communication on the site by devs and mods needs to be a must do,ignoring the playerbase is at cryptics financial peril.
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  • atlantraatlantra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Cryptic can fix everything and make it right. The problem is they don't listen to anything or anyone. They also may not have the 'will power' or time to get it done.

    They're taking orders from PWE. I'm sure it's some BIG dude that's at the top saying: "Listen, I want STO to bring in 'this' much money! That's the top priority. All that other stuff like fun, and balance, the hell with it."

    It's not all cryptic's fault. I know how big companies work. There's a 75% chance I could be right on that... As for being at the point of no return, under the current circumstances, YES
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  • darthwoodarthwoo Member Posts: 371 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I do kind of wonder if at least some of Cryptic's employees are suffering through a great deal of cognitive dissonance in having to serve PWE's demands even while they know what they're doing is only going to drive a wedge between players and devs. I imagine if that is indeed the case, there's probably some clause in their employment contracts that prohibits them from divulging their actual feelings. I'd feel sorry for them in that case.
  • prierinprierin Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    In writing terms, STO has jumped the shark. It has become a hilarious parody of itself with absolutely no hopes of regaining any of its previous respectability.

    Can anyone tell me what, exactly, is “Star Trek” about STO? Other than the ships and characters? All this is, is a space combat simulator. A pretty cookie-cutter one at that.
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  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    deokkent wrote: »
    The game is fine... The whales will sustain it. Don't worry.

    I wonder if Cryptic/PWE's seen The Voyage Home. Whales can be hunted to extinction.
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  • phalanx01phalanx01 Member Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    You know inbetween the game's issues and the insanely bad connection issues I've been experiencing the past few days I think I'll be turning my car back to SWTOR as well. It isn't perfect but at least it works unlike STO...
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    STO was past the point of no return when PWE realized that lockboxes were a good source of revenue. As long as gold Mk XIV equipment is not necessary for me to play the game, then the game is still playable for me.

    As far as SWTOR having no grind, are you kidding? It has far more grind than STO does. You actually have to grind out each level by doing tons of missions which gets old after the fourth time. It has only become tolerable with that 12x XP event that is going on right now.
  • richardcranium63richardcranium63 Member Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    IMHO, most of the blame should be directed towards the Chinese overlords at PWE. They obviously have no understanding or concern about being true to the ST franchise & fans. Their only concern is money & profit. Cryptic probably is caught in the middle & must do what they are told to do by their overlords. In this respect, PWE is true to ST in that they are the FCA.
    BTW, you can't even play STO if you are in China, it's blocked. WTF?!?!
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  • rswfiredotcomrswfiredotcom Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    No. Working as intended.
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  • seazombie64seazombie64 Member Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    STO is far from that point. Are there issues? YES Will they be fixed? I believe most of them will be fixed/adjusted. Will anything make people satisfied NO. I honestly believe there is nothing that Cryptic can do to satisfy this community. I quit playing Champions because CO was stagnant...nothing new for a very long time. In STO we get new stuff ALL THE TIME. Would you rather have new stuff that is buggy, or not have any new things at all? I know...we want new stuff that ISN'T buggy...I get it...but I will take what we have here over what we didn't get in Millennium City.



    TL : DR NO STO isn't at that point but the forums may very well be
  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    STO is far from that point. Are there issues? YES Will they be fixed? I believe most of them will be fixed/adjusted. Will anything make people satisfied NO. I honestly believe there is nothing that Cryptic can do to satisfy this community. I quit playing Champions because CO was stagnant...nothing new for a very long time. In STO we get new stuff ALL THE TIME. Would you rather have new stuff that is buggy, or not have any new things at all? I know...we want new stuff that ISN'T buggy...I get it...but I will take what we have here over what we didn't get in Millennium City.



    TL : DR NO STO isn't at that point but the forums may very well be

    Considering that apart from the new episodes DR is, in my opinion, garbage, I'll take the bug fixes.
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  • fcaptkmtonfcaptkmton Member Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Nope. STO is fine. If you don't enjoy it,take some time off. Play SWTOR until you get bored of it then come back...or don't, you have free will. But don't just sit around pissing and moaning about it, that will change nothing.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    STO is far from that point. Are there issues? YES Will they be fixed? I believe most of them will be fixed/adjusted. Will anything make people satisfied NO. I honestly believe there is nothing that Cryptic can do to satisfy this community. I quit playing Champions because CO was stagnant...nothing new for a very long time. In STO we get new stuff ALL THE TIME. Would you rather have new stuff that is buggy, or not have any new things at all? I know...we want new stuff that ISN'T buggy...I get it...but I will take what we have here over what we didn't get in Millennium City.



    TL : DR NO STO isn't at that point but the forums may very well be

    They can restrict themselves in a way that doesn't show favoritism between stakeholders, which balances the interests of shareholders and owners with the balances of customers, which is ultimately what anyone in a position of power over anything has to do.

    You want to be a monarch, you gotta sign the Magna Carta.

    You want to say that the shareholders are king? Look at Steve Jobs, who didn't believe in dividends. Look at Melissa Mayer or Jeff Bezos.

    You want to succeed, you have to stand up to the board and the shareholders and carve out ways to satisfy your customers.

    As it happens, it seems to me like half the "champions of the players" at Cryptic are also quick to snap at or retreat away from players. That doesn't jive.
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I don't think this game is beyond the point of no return. Remember that while the forums are pretty active, we are but a small part of the community. There are probably plenty of people (besides me) that see the good that this Expansion has brought.

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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    atlantra wrote: »
    Cryptic can fix everything and make it right. The problem is they don't listen to anything or anyone. They also may not have the 'will power' or time to get it done.

    They're taking orders from PWE. I'm sure it's some BIG dude that's at the top saying: "Listen, I want STO to bring in 'this' much money! That's the top priority. All that other stuff like fun, and balance, the hell with it."

    It's not all cryptic's fault. I know how big companies work. There's a 75% chance I could be right on that... As for being at the point of no return, under the current circumstances, YES

    No the problem is, if they listened to every single idea or issue, they'd never get a damn thing done and this game would be a bigger mess than it is now.
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  • atlantraatlantra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    No the problem is, if they listened to every single idea or issue, they'd never get a damn thing done and this game would be a bigger mess than it is now.

    They don't get anything done now, I don't think I could make this game a bigger mess than it is now even if I tired... Just something to think about. :)
    The dress is gold and white. Over 70% people says so. When viewed from a certain screen angle it appears blue and black. The dress displayed on amazon is a blue and black dress, but it's not the same dress in the picture. If you're seeing blue & black you're slightly colored blind. A normal upright screen = white and gold.
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  • grimlyonegrimlyone Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Well, they certainly made things worse for themselves. Yes, I have no doubts some people did quit.
    But maybe the worst part for them are people that decided they won't pay another damn penny for this game.

    It also has shown some very stupid issues with Crytpic. Lack of communication, incompetence, laziness.

    The game suffered. And few more times something like this happens... the core players, the people that make this games great, will leave.
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  • ravinravin Member Posts: 509 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    stuart1965 wrote: »
    By no return i mean,can cryptic ever fix this game to put it back to what it was?
    This being without any losses to players.
    I currently can not get back in due to installation problems,and quite honestly i wonder if its even worth still trying to come back.
    At the moment,i have gone onto playing SWTOR,which i absolutely enjoy,as theres no grinding to do in it.The graphics are superb as is the interaction as well.Its running smooth as a babies bottom.
    I will still hold up a candle light so to speak,regards STO,in the ultra rare hope,cryptic will get their act together,and properly fix the game,with all their punitive measures stopped and reversed.
    A game that works properly,that is affordable for players,that is regularly maintained and swept for bugs,that is fun to play with no more grinding.
    An easier game and not an impossible one is an absolute must have.
    A happier playerbase will mean more money for cryptic,if the game is working properly and bug free. Get bugs fixed quickly,and not abandon them until a next patch. thats what needs to be done.
    If the game is for the players,and not dollar signs rolling in cryptics eyes all the time,the better things will eventually be.
    Regular communication on the site by devs and mods needs to be a must do,ignoring the playerbase is at cryptics financial peril.

    While I too am playing SWTOR right now, I can say that it is still a grind like all other MMO's. However, right now they have 12x XP boost for class quests running, which negates some of that grind.

    As to the point, you can't fault Cryptic, they answer to a higher power, who, in turn, answer to money.
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  • ibuyevryshipibuyevryship Member Posts: 280
    edited October 2014
    The game is on alpha, what you guys was expecting !??
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    ravin wrote: »
    As to the point, you can't fault Cryptic, they answer to a higher power, who, in turn, answer to money.

    I am surprised that a Church of the Almighty Dollar hasn't been created yet.
  • originalspockoriginalspock Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    deokkent wrote: »
    CRYPTIC white knight, where have you been??? I missed ya :P.

    If you came out from below your bridge you would know.
  • jarfarujarfaru Member Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    atlantra wrote: »
    Cryptic can fix everything and make it right. The problem is they don't listen to anything or anyone. They also may not have the 'will power' or time to get it done.

    They're taking orders from PWE. I'm sure it's some BIG dude that's at the top saying: "Listen, I want STO to bring in 'this' much money! That's the top priority. All that other stuff like fun, and balance, the hell with it."

    It's not all cryptic's fault. I know how big companies work. There's a 75% chance I could be right on that... As for being at the point of no return, under the current circumstances, YES

    If you look at all of PWE's games you would see that this is true. I have always felt that PWE buying Cryptic would be the downfall of STO. What was really sad was that not one U.S. company stepped in to buy Cryptic. Wasn't it like 50 million or something?
  • ladymyajhaladymyajha Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    jarfaru wrote: »
    If you look at all of PWE's games you would see that this is true. I have always felt that PWE buying Cryptic would be the downfall of STO. What was really sad was that not one U.S. company stepped in to buy Cryptic.

    No US company stepped in because due to the mess that Atari left it in, no US company was in place to make money off of it. PWE simply could, but only by moving it to a Asian style grind-fest, which is exactly what they did, and will continue to do

    I'll give PWE credit, they saved STO instead of making it the downfall, but to do it they had to make it into a game I no longer love and enjoy.
  • varekraithvarekraith Member Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I don't know if it's passed the point of no return, but it is certainly nearing critical mass.
    Cryptic can't afford another release any where near approaching DR.
    You can only alienate/pissoff/milk the player base for so long.
  • ladymyajhaladymyajha Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    varekraith wrote: »
    I don't know if it's passed the point of no return, but it is certainly nearing critical mass.
    Cryptic can't afford another release any where near approaching DR.
    You can only alienate/pissoff/milk the player base for so long.

    Oh to the contrary, they can actually do the opposite of this and keep releasing anything and everything like DR.

    Don't believe me... just look at this thread and others like it and see how many people are saying they love DR and that Cryptic is the best thing since sliced bread.

    Cryptic tends to ignore anything that they don't agree with, they are experts at that. So all Cryptic sees is ... blah blah blah.. we love DR... blah blah blah... we love Crytpic... blah blah blah... good job...

    Besides, because it has the name Star Trek on, Cryptic can pretty much do anything and people will play it, regardless of the state it's in.
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