This might just be the single, worst, most horribly thought out idea on the entire forums. Even worse then the people demanding that they have T-5 Ships made full T-6. Worse then people who are demanding an end game Constitution Class. Worse then many things that are too numerous to list in one post.
i see a T5U connie before this idea ever goes live :P
Friendly warning: It is against the rules to accuse people of trolling. I suggest you change your previous post to remove that before a mod see's it.
And if you do keep it up I will be informing a mod myself that your are doing it.
For the record not a single person here has been trolling you. They just strongly disagree with you.
Are you serious? Wow that truly is pathetic.
You did something I dont like! Change it now or Im telling!
Wow
(I dont agree with what the OP wants, just think its pathetic and childish to threaten to tell the mods on someone for saying the word troll. Grow up maybe?!)
Actually there are several times in both thread when you have done so. When there are a finite number of people in the thread "generalizations" cease to be that.
And not a threat, just a statement of intent.
Yeah a statement of intent to act like a 4 year old and go tell on someone for literally typing a word. Do you even realize how pathetic you look?
The dude who made the thread clearly wants something that will never happen and a few of the ideas in the post are indeed absurd but to sit here and act all high and mighty while threatening to tell on someone really is laughable.
So to answer your point, the reasoning behind using Advanced difficulty is anyone in a lvl 50 ship with white to green gear can beat normal mode. I feel that someone that has put a little time & thinking into their build is likely to be a person that possibly could lead a fleet properly. If they aren't commited to developing their character build some, how could they possibly be considered to have the ability to lead a fleet?
I did NOT state the mission(s) would be solo, never had an intent to that, it most DEFINATELY should be a 5 player team mission?
There isn't a litmus here... Not meant to eliminate bad fleets, nohingt can do that and only thing that can litmus grieving fleets is that IF this system of mission(s) could beat them to where they can get qualified... but the purpose here is what is done is done, but let's try to limit all the possibilities of more being created for the future.
yeah no, some of the best ship builders i know shouldnt go anywhere near fleet leadership (no offense to them) good builds and fleet leadership are not the same thing
LOL great comeback. Obviously mods can police the forums however they want but to threaten someone with going to tell on them like we are in 2nd grade is pathetic. If you dont see that I dont know what to tell you.
LOL great comeback. Obviously mods can police the forums however they want but to threaten someone with going to tell on them like we are in 2nd grade is pathetic. If you dont see that I dont know what to tell you.
It sounds like you're taking this game FAR more serious then any PLAYER should. It's a game. People play it how they like. People play it however they #@%$ing well please. I'm sorry that you don't get that.
Yeah, the way that you wrote that post seems like that's EXACTLY what you want to do. If you can take the time to rethink and rewrite that post without all the masked elitist feel it gives, we all might just take it a bit more serious. Until then, all you will end up getting is people responding like this.
Well, if I were complaining about the lack of debugging in the game, how one thing gets fixed, then another breaks... I guess I wouldn't be taking the game too seriously... Yes, it IS a game, it is meant for fun...
But I have a total problem with the game (and real life for that matter) when people search for a ways to get around the "right" way of doing things for their fun AND at the same time, do it in a manner that erupts the gameplay of others for their own satisfaction.
A rewrite isn't needed, I will reply to serious questions regarding my proposal and what I need explain to clear my intentions for the plan up. Rethink isn't necessary either due to the fact it was meant as a guideline, a suggestion, a "rough draft" for Cryptic to consider, and I have complete faith they have the intelligence to come to a proper understanding as it was wrote to figure the point being, "We need a new Fleet Creation system."
You did something I dont like! Change it now or Im telling!
Wow
(I dont agree with what the OP wants, just think its pathetic and childish to threaten to tell the mods on someone for saying the word troll. Grow up maybe?!)
I'm not telling him to stop the conversation, (though I make no secret that I think his idea is pure w*nk) I just take exception to him braking forum rules and abusing people who disagree with him. And I make no apologies for it.
It's not myfault ifyoufeel trolledbymyDisco ball...Sorry'boutit.
So daveyny,
To answer your points, my wallet has open TOO many times for a game sub-par to most MMOs out on the market, for both myself & my son. Only reason I have stayed with the game in the state its in now, is that its the ONLY decent Star Trek title out there.
Secondly, no ego here... I don't do 20-30k DPS, don't try to... Our fleet isn't elitists, but we are decent players. I want to enjoy the game w/o headaches... headaches from ppl that have to exploit something in a game in order for them to have fun, not play the game the was it was meant to be played.
So now you made ya point, ya don't like the idea... so PLEASE, give other players a chance to express their views w/o ya attempting to make the thread point mute.
THANK YOU!
I feel sorry for your Fleet. I cant imagine the amount of egomania they must deal with on a nightly basis when they log in.
game needs a lot of things this not one of them making a fleet works same way it does in every mmo ive played from wow swtor and many other this is never going to change you come off like them ppl thinks cryptic going to change the rank because they want EVERYONE to be captain not going to happen
They do. But if you dont want to find yourself shunned by the forum community. Its probably best not to become 'that guy' that runs and tattles to the authority every time someone breaks a rule.
If the mods require players in general to police these forums. Then they should probably be fired.
They do. But if you dont want to find yourself shunned by the forum community. Its probably best not to become 'that guy' that runs and tattles to the authority every time someone breaks a rule.
If the mods require players in general to police these forums. Then they should probably be fired.
This whole thing just screams "I know what I'm doing, you should therefor listen to me".
Let's take my fleet for example. The current leader (don't know why the OP keeps assuming everyone in the top rank is "Fleet Admiral". that's my rank and I'm second in command) is the third to have inherited the position. Neither he nor I were there when the Fleet was founded. We both joined afterwards. Point #3 would penalize us because we sort of "fell into the cockpit" of this whole operation.
Everywhere I look, people are screaming about how bad Cryptic is.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
game needs a lot of things this not one of them making a fleet works same way it does in every mmo ive played from wow swtor and many other this is never going to change you come off like them ppl thinks cryptic going to change the rank because they want EVERYONE to be captain not going to happen
I take it English isn't your first language because it is difficult to understand what you are trying to say. Yes, game has things need fixed, I fully agree, and this is one of them (even if you don't agree). Also, I have played a couple games in my past that have had a similar system already active and they were very big games. ATM their names fail me, that's comes with old age. What I believe is your last sentence, "change the rank" makes no sense English-wise. Would like to respond to it, but I'm really unclear as to what your are saying there, much less give a proper response.
This whole thing just screams "I know what I'm doing, you should therefor listen to me".
Let's take my fleet for example. The current leader (don't know why the OP keeps assuming everyone in the top rank is "Fleet Admiral". that's my rank and I'm second in command) is the third to have inherited the position. Neither he nor I were there when the Fleet was founded. We both joined afterwards. Point #3 would penalize us because we sort of "fell into the cockpit" of this whole operation.
I would be in this position as well. I lead two fleets, but I wasn't even playing the game when either of them was founded. (I don't even know who the founder of my kdf fleet was.)
It's not myfault ifyoufeel trolledbymyDisco ball...Sorry'boutit.
Well, if I were complaining about the lack of debugging in the game, how one thing gets fixed, then another breaks... I guess I wouldn't be taking the game too seriously... Yes, it IS a game, it is meant for fun...
No, people complaining about bugs in games has been around since the beginning of gaming. Heck, I'm sure every single one of us (myself included) has, at one point or another, gone off on a rant about a bug that bothers them or a glitch that ruined the playing experience. That's just general complaining that people do every day. :P
FORCING people to play a certain way is one of the worst ideas in a MMO. That's (imho) what people are taking about here. That's what most of us are complaining about. Because your original post seems to be you wanting all of us to play the way you want.
Now, I can 100% agree about the whole problem of Fleets with (almost) exact names. I'm in a fleet that is copied more then any other. However, we don't complain. Why? For one reason: We are all a bunch of nerds playing an online game about Star Trek.
This whole thing just screams "I know what I'm doing, you should therefor listen to me".
Has nothing to do with what I'm doing as a Fleet Leader AND everything to do with an exploit(s) in the system, that has never been changed, maybe been consider.
Let's take my fleet for example. The current leader (don't know why the OP keeps assuming everyone in the top rank is "Fleet Admiral". that's my rank and I'm second in command) is the third to have inherited the position. Whatever, if ya like, we can call them "Top Dog".
Neither he nor I were there when the Fleet was founded. We both joined afterwards. Point #3 would penalize us because we sort of "fell into the cockpit" of this whole operation.
Devs are not much different as people trying to aid in Computer Security. Both are always 1 step behind people trying to exploit to harm others. This proposal is meant NOT to test current fleets, not meant to punish current fleets... It's solely for clearing out dead or inactive fleets which are a waste of data storage. In order to do that, there has to be a baseline.
Let me ask you a question... If you just come into the game and get a request to join a fleet, only to find out that the "Top Dog" is a lvl 11 that has only played 1 week, would you be pleased to know that the game let's fleets be created that easily?
OR maybe, you ARE the "Top Dog", and you find out players are coming in copycatting your fleet name, and 1 of those players is is causing hell in-game, and a complainant comes to you, saying its a member of yours, then after you do your research, fin its no one from your fleet, but a griever abusing the system?
Devs are not much different as people trying to aid in Computer Security. Both are always 1 step behind people trying to exploit to harm others. This proposal is meant NOT to test current fleets, not meant to punish current fleets... It's solely for clearing out dead or inactive fleets which are a waste of data storage. In order to do that, there has to be a baseline.
Let me ask you a question... If you just come into the game and get a request to join a fleet, only to find out that the "Top Dog" is a lvl 11 that has only played 1 week, would you be pleased to know that the game let's fleets be created that easily?
OR maybe, you ARE the "Top Dog", and you find out players are coming in copycatting your fleet name, and 1 of those players is is causing hell in-game, and a complainant comes to you, saying its a member of yours, then after you do your research, fin its no one from your fleet, but a griever abusing the system?
Just food for thought...
how about worry about your fleet and only your fleet not cryptic hard drive or what level can make a fleet btw im the original The Tal Shiar fleet did i come to the forums and make a wall of tex when i saw one called Tal Shiar no i sucked it up and moved on
No, people complaining about bugs in games has been around since the beginning of gaming. Heck, I'm sure every single one of us (myself included) has, at one point or another, gone off on a rant about a bug that bothers them or a glitch that ruined the playing experience. That's just general complaining that people do every day. :P
I agree and our fleet does the same everyday, but rather in voice chat to each other, not on the forums.
FORCING people to play a certain way is one of the worst ideas in a MMO. That's (imho) what people are taking about here. That's what most of us are complaining about. Because your original post seems to be you wanting all of us to play the way you want.
The whole proposal (if people would take enough time to completely absorb it, has nothing to do with forcing people to play a certain way, but rather a solution to exploits in the current Fleet Creation system, while being fair to new players & current players at the same time.
Now, I can 100% agree about the whole problem of Fleets with (almost) exact names. I'm in a fleet that is copied more then any other. However, we don't complain. Why? For one reason: We are all a bunch of nerds playing an online game about Star Trek.
So brush it under the rug, forget about it, and keep ya mouth shut. Guess you would do that for murder, ****, or any other crime that plagues our society today. Sorry, that's not my style. IMO, if the game IS worth playing, IT IS worth fighting to get changes made.
how about worry about your fleet and only your fleet not cryptic hand drive or what level can make a fleet btw im the original The Tal Shiar fleet did i come to the forums and make a wall of tex when i saw one call Tal Shiar no i sucked it up and moved on
Dude... you're not making a coherent thought, much less a accurate or complete sentence. My son can type better than you. Unless you can clearly explain what you want to say, PLEASE don't make yourself look ignorant.
Dude... you're not making a coherent thought, much less a accurate or complete sentence. My son can type better than you. Unless you can clearly explain what you want to say, PLEASE don't make yourself look ignorant.
Next please...
keep attacking me because i dont bow to your idea bet your son dont have a learning disability called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerstmann_syndrome but believe this i will now pary every day your next kid gets it or your sons kids you know that age old saying what goes around
keep attacking me because i dont bow to your idea bet your son dont have a learning disability called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerstmann_syndrome but believe this i will now pary every day your next kid gets it or your sons kids you know that age old saying what goes around
No one attacking you, but ya are mouthing off either for the fun of it or whatever. If ya not able to understand the full picture of the proposal, don't bash to bash it, and if you can't make your thought coherent, then maybe stick to playing the game instead attempting to sound intelligent on the forums with incomplete sentences that are almost impossible to understand. NO one forced you to comment in here, remember that.
The op is starting to sound like repetitvepic when he was demanding that random pieces of equipped gear should be destroyed every time you get knocked out/blown up, because he claimed it would cure dilithium inflation.
He used the same tactic of rudely deriding anyone who disagreed with him that fltadmirallance is using now.
I wonder if they know each other. lol
It's not myfault ifyoufeel trolledbymyDisco ball...Sorry'boutit.
Let me ask you a question... If you just come into the game and get a request to join a fleet, only to find out that the "Top Dog" is a lvl 11 that has only played 1 week, would you be pleased to know that the game let's fleets be created that easily?
Yes, I would! Because that bunch of low level new players have many entirely valid reasons for wanting a fleet, and I have no reason to deny them that for no gain to myself except to be petty and mean.
My reasons for wanting to be in a fleet are unlikely to mesh with their reasons for having one, so my membership would be pretty short, but that does not invalidate their reasons for having it.
I played MMOs during the bad old days when this kind of thing was a thing, and it was silly and pointless. In one MMO around 2001, I jumped through incredible hoops like killing 15,000 ettins and doing a horribly implemented minigame and sneaking naked into Talazar's throne room deep in a region actually called "hell" to create a guild consisting of three archers who cleared out midlevel gathering nodes so newbie crafters could level up safely (materials meant for level 20 characters were guarded by monsters meant for level 50 characters, making guilds like mine and two similar ones the lifeblood of the crafting game for the first few months after beta).
This whole process was your proposal in a nutshell, right down to the standing ban for people giving out solutions to the puzzles and automatic officer status for everybody who helps you on the minigame (three of which immediately /gquit because they were had their own guilds to go back to and were just helping out an old ally who lost their guild deed).
And you know what? It does JACK ****ING **** to solve any of the perceived problems in your list. Not bloody one. It didn't stop people from making guilds for personal bank storage, or guilds that existed only as stupid name puns, or guilds who only existed to grief the game, or one that was only created to test a weird bug involving unicode characters, wherein attempting to inspect the equipment of any member of said guild would crash the client.
All it did was pose an arbitrary barrier to forming a guild, which meant that after discovering the game handled unicode improperly it took several days instead of fifteen minutes for the player to create a guild name that exploited it.
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Tomatoe or Toma'toe...
Not sure who's famous for this quote this is, but "if the shoe fits, wear it.":rolleyes:
Knights Of The Federation
i see a T5U connie before this idea ever goes live :P
system Lord Baal is dead
Are you serious? Wow that truly is pathetic.
You did something I dont like! Change it now or Im telling!
Wow
(I dont agree with what the OP wants, just think its pathetic and childish to threaten to tell the mods on someone for saying the word troll. Grow up maybe?!)
Grow up fella... Not everyone is going to live by your rules in the future, so you might as well get used to it.
forums have rule just like life
system Lord Baal is dead
Yeah a statement of intent to act like a 4 year old and go tell on someone for literally typing a word. Do you even realize how pathetic you look?
The dude who made the thread clearly wants something that will never happen and a few of the ideas in the post are indeed absurd but to sit here and act all high and mighty while threatening to tell on someone really is laughable.
yeah no, some of the best ship builders i know shouldnt go anywhere near fleet leadership (no offense to them) good builds and fleet leadership are not the same thing
LOL great comeback. Obviously mods can police the forums however they want but to threaten someone with going to tell on them like we are in 2nd grade is pathetic. If you dont see that I dont know what to tell you.
guess your one of them type dont like the law to
system Lord Baal is dead
Well, if I were complaining about the lack of debugging in the game, how one thing gets fixed, then another breaks... I guess I wouldn't be taking the game too seriously... Yes, it IS a game, it is meant for fun...
But I have a total problem with the game (and real life for that matter) when people search for a ways to get around the "right" way of doing things for their fun AND at the same time, do it in a manner that erupts the gameplay of others for their own satisfaction.
A rewrite isn't needed, I will reply to serious questions regarding my proposal and what I need explain to clear my intentions for the plan up. Rethink isn't necessary either due to the fact it was meant as a guideline, a suggestion, a "rough draft" for Cryptic to consider, and I have complete faith they have the intelligence to come to a proper understanding as it was wrote to figure the point being, "We need a new Fleet Creation system."
Knights Of The Federation
I'm not telling him to stop the conversation, (though I make no secret that I think his idea is pure w*nk) I just take exception to him braking forum rules and abusing people who disagree with him. And I make no apologies for it.
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
I feel sorry for your Fleet. I cant imagine the amount of egomania they must deal with on a nightly basis when they log in.
game needs a lot of things this not one of them making a fleet works same way it does in every mmo ive played from wow swtor and many other this is never going to change you come off like them ppl thinks cryptic going to change the rank because they want EVERYONE to be captain not going to happen
system Lord Baal is dead
A more appropriate saying here would be "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink."
--Red Annorax
They do. But if you dont want to find yourself shunned by the forum community. Its probably best not to become 'that guy' that runs and tattles to the authority every time someone breaks a rule.
If the mods require players in general to police these forums. Then they should probably be fired.
to be frank ive been called worse on this forums
system Lord Baal is dead
I definitely have.:P
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
Let's take my fleet for example. The current leader (don't know why the OP keeps assuming everyone in the top rank is "Fleet Admiral". that's my rank and I'm second in command) is the third to have inherited the position. Neither he nor I were there when the Fleet was founded. We both joined afterwards. Point #3 would penalize us because we sort of "fell into the cockpit" of this whole operation.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
I take it English isn't your first language because it is difficult to understand what you are trying to say. Yes, game has things need fixed, I fully agree, and this is one of them (even if you don't agree). Also, I have played a couple games in my past that have had a similar system already active and they were very big games. ATM their names fail me, that's comes with old age. What I believe is your last sentence, "change the rank"
Knights Of The Federation
I would be in this position as well. I lead two fleets, but I wasn't even playing the game when either of them was founded. (I don't even know who the founder of my kdf fleet was.)
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
No, people complaining about bugs in games has been around since the beginning of gaming. Heck, I'm sure every single one of us (myself included) has, at one point or another, gone off on a rant about a bug that bothers them or a glitch that ruined the playing experience. That's just general complaining that people do every day. :P
FORCING people to play a certain way is one of the worst ideas in a MMO. That's (imho) what people are taking about here. That's what most of us are complaining about. Because your original post seems to be you wanting all of us to play the way you want.
Now, I can 100% agree about the whole problem of Fleets with (almost) exact names. I'm in a fleet that is copied more then any other. However, we don't complain. Why? For one reason: We are all a bunch of nerds playing an online game about Star Trek.
If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord
Devs are not much different as people trying to aid in Computer Security. Both are always 1 step behind people trying to exploit to harm others. This proposal is meant NOT to test current fleets, not meant to punish current fleets... It's solely for clearing out dead or inactive fleets which are a waste of data storage. In order to do that, there has to be a baseline.
Let me ask you a question... If you just come into the game and get a request to join a fleet, only to find out that the "Top Dog" is a lvl 11 that has only played 1 week, would you be pleased to know that the game let's fleets be created that easily?
OR maybe, you ARE the "Top Dog", and you find out players are coming in copycatting your fleet name, and 1 of those players is is causing hell in-game, and a complainant comes to you, saying its a member of yours, then after you do your research, fin its no one from your fleet, but a griever abusing the system?
Just food for thought...
Knights Of The Federation
how about worry about your fleet and only your fleet not cryptic hard drive or what level can make a fleet btw im the original The Tal Shiar fleet did i come to the forums and make a wall of tex when i saw one called Tal Shiar no i sucked it up and moved on
system Lord Baal is dead
So brush it under the rug, forget about it, and keep ya mouth shut. Guess you would do that for murder, ****, or any other crime that plagues our society today. Sorry, that's not my style. IMO, if the game IS worth playing, IT IS worth fighting to get changes made.
Knights Of The Federation
Dude... you're not making a coherent thought, much less a accurate or complete sentence. My son can type better than you. Unless you can clearly explain what you want to say, PLEASE don't make yourself look ignorant.
Next please...
Knights Of The Federation
keep attacking me because i dont bow to your idea bet your son dont have a learning disability called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerstmann_syndrome but believe this i will now pary every day your next kid gets it or your sons kids you know that age old saying what goes around
system Lord Baal is dead
In the words of William Shatner: "GET A LIFE!"
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
No one attacking you, but ya are mouthing off either for the fun of it or whatever. If ya not able to understand the full picture of the proposal, don't bash to bash it, and if you can't make your thought coherent, then maybe stick to playing the game instead attempting to sound intelligent on the forums with incomplete sentences that are almost impossible to understand. NO one forced you to comment in here, remember that.
Knights Of The Federation
He used the same tactic of rudely deriding anyone who disagreed with him that fltadmirallance is using now.
I wonder if they know each other. lol
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
Yes, I would! Because that bunch of low level new players have many entirely valid reasons for wanting a fleet, and I have no reason to deny them that for no gain to myself except to be petty and mean.
My reasons for wanting to be in a fleet are unlikely to mesh with their reasons for having one, so my membership would be pretty short, but that does not invalidate their reasons for having it.
I played MMOs during the bad old days when this kind of thing was a thing, and it was silly and pointless. In one MMO around 2001, I jumped through incredible hoops like killing 15,000 ettins and doing a horribly implemented minigame and sneaking naked into Talazar's throne room deep in a region actually called "hell" to create a guild consisting of three archers who cleared out midlevel gathering nodes so newbie crafters could level up safely (materials meant for level 20 characters were guarded by monsters meant for level 50 characters, making guilds like mine and two similar ones the lifeblood of the crafting game for the first few months after beta).
This whole process was your proposal in a nutshell, right down to the standing ban for people giving out solutions to the puzzles and automatic officer status for everybody who helps you on the minigame (three of which immediately /gquit because they were had their own guilds to go back to and were just helping out an old ally who lost their guild deed).
And you know what? It does JACK ****ING **** to solve any of the perceived problems in your list. Not bloody one. It didn't stop people from making guilds for personal bank storage, or guilds that existed only as stupid name puns, or guilds who only existed to grief the game, or one that was only created to test a weird bug involving unicode characters, wherein attempting to inspect the equipment of any member of said guild would crash the client.
All it did was pose an arbitrary barrier to forming a guild, which meant that after discovering the game handled unicode improperly it took several days instead of fifteen minutes for the player to create a guild name that exploited it.