We can get the upgrade tokens off the exchange for free.
They've given away half a dozen Cstore ships for free to anyone willing to claim them over the past two years.
All that free stuff sure is a slap in the face all right. No thanks from the company at all. :rolleyes:
Yes and what do you think would have happened to the company if not for everyone who has spent money on "end game " ship bundles etc? Do and perhaps you would like to read all of my post? It is not "free" it is peoples time, buying zen from the store for dilithium is not "free" someone had to PURCHASE that zen, time spent collecting ec to buy tokens that someone has PAID FOR is not free.
I understand that you want to fan boy here but if you were able to take the tinted specs off for a moment and look at what is actually going on then those who have paid are being fleeced, the only option we have is to either buy an upgrade or pay more for a new ship that is only slightly better, simply to get to the place that we just were, someone who gets lucky from a lock box gets a free upgrade yet someone who bought the odyssey bundle among other things doesn't?
I would also like to add that the free ships (such as obelisk carrier) was given out to ALL players, not just paying customers, how long would this game have lasted without people actually paying money? Nothing is FREE in this game or any other, how many of these "free" as you say things would have existed if the company had folded because no one was funding it? after the failure of it's subscription based mode they had to go f2p in order to make money and they clearly are making money, by all accounts this year has been a very successful year for the financial side of the game, it's not like they are going to fold if no one buys an upgrade token.
Yet no free upgrade for those of us who have forked out, not even a "limited time" for completing a certain event/episode such as with the obelisk, nothing except a "please pay us more for something that you thought was end game and upgrade it to something that isn't quite end game.
Yes, it is a slap in the face to people who have paid far more than they clearly should have considering how their custom has been valued.
For some reason you seem to think it costing more for a lesser ship is a good deal? Or is it that someone else is buying zen for you and you do not appreciate the value of money?
The event ships got free upgrade to t5-u. If you are so tight on budget you should have got that free ships.
They give us expansions after expansions for free. Don;t you think is fair for them to make some money ?
Beside to play all the content you don;t need a t5u ship. Only if you want to do advanced .
We can get the upgrade tokens off the exchange for free.
They've given away half a dozen Cstore ships for free to anyone willing to claim them over the past two years.
All that free stuff sure is a slap in the face all right. No thanks from the company at all. :rolleyes:
As awesome as all of that is, it is for all of the players, free and paying. They did not thank those who bought all of those ships for keeping the game going up to this point. Instead they purposely devalued all of that money we spent without so much as a thank you or a token of appreciation.
Big difference, if you aren't upset by that, whatever, you don't have to be. If you don't understand how we feel, then whatever, we don't need you to.
The event ships got free upgrade to t5-u. If you are so tight on budget you should have got that free ships.
They give us expansions after expansions for free. Don;t you think is fair for them to make some money ?
Beside to play all the content you don;t need a t5u ship. Only if you want to do advanced .
Are you really asking someone who has spent several hundred British pounds on this game if they don't think the company should make money? of course they should THEY ARE, I have personally made them money! and thank for for pointing out the obvious that I never needed a t5u or t6 to do most of the new content that I have already done in the past 6 days.
But your points simply add to my own.
What reward was there from the new content for anyone other than a f2p who wasn't doing elites or getting rep rewards before the expansion? For those of us who have spent a great deal of money to get to where we were NOTHING! weapons that were no better than what I had and worse in most cases, an engine that I got rid off at level 45? the story started well and was good fun, then WHAM endless patrol missions that got boring after the first two against ships who's only challenge was staying awake long enough to burn down their excessive hit points and who's only purpose has been to make people fed up with grinding already. But I am not having a go at the expansion or the upgrade mechanism or the new tier 6 ships,
I am having a go at the way in which paying costumers are being used and have even potentially been given less than a f2p has, there is a company making money and there is a company taking advantage, the sole reason that lock box ships get a free upgrade is because of the amount of money the company makes from keys, plain and simple and the sales would drop if it was only tier 5 instead of t5u. a lot of people like me are in the same position. how many t5 ships are going to be purchased from now on considering that 500 zen more gets you a t6? not many I would bet, a free single use upgrade with a t5 bundle? that would probably entice more sales, like I have said before, 3000 zen for a t6, 3200 for a t5u, the question asked here is "is it worth it" no is the flat out answer, NO ONE is going to buy a t5 and an upgrade when a t6 is cheaper, NO ONE! this is simply to get more money out of those who have paid more in the first place, most folk with t5 are going to go right to the t6 unless they have a lot of zen sitting spare or are not interested in saving their dilithium for the extorionate amount needed to get a chance for better equipment. 50k refined dilithium for a chance at an upgrade? There are people on here spent that and it's been wasted, plenty of people complaining about that. 50k thats a weeks worth of one toons limit, that would get you roughly 300 zen, not even half way there for a t5u, does that put it into context?
A little over a week ago I was doing elite missions in the end game ship that I spent more than the price of a game on a lot more considering it was the ship bundle, now I am being asked to pay more to get to nearly the stage that I was just at, when you factor in the amount of dilithium that is needed to have a chance at upgrading weapons etc then buying zen with dilithium is not feasible, I could see the point if it was an actual upgrade and brought it into line with a t6 but it's not, it's an extra 700 zen for more hit points, still not being able to use the new officers etc, so in order to experience that, need to pay again, what is the point? all it's done has killed t5 sales?!
A toons daily limit just now gets 50 zen, give or take, personally if I wanted to grind all my toons (that I spent actual money to be able to create) I could have the upgrade in a couple of days, yet I have just been forced into a week long grind for useless rewards and the fun has been sapped right out of the game, it now takes longer to grind dilithium with the new changes, so add a lot more time onto that "grinding" is not what makes a game fun and after all that grinding, no better off than where I started, the r&d mats that are needed to upgrade equipment etc, don't come from normal mode missions, people like me are being forced into purchasing either an upgrade or a new ship, (most likely the slightly more money for a new ship the way the pricing has deliberately been done) which fair enough having to purchase a new tier 6 ship, no problem with that, having to pay over the odds for a bit more hit points on the ship I already have ad have already spent a good deal of money on as if this is somehow doing me a favour?
Do you think giving people who got lucky on a lock box or bought a ship from the exchange for in game credits after giving the company NO MONEY whatsoever, should be favoured over those who have kept the company going so that it could get to this stage? because that is exactly what you are saying, that is how things stand at the moment "The games not pay to win" no? then why do the best ships cost money?
I could see the point if the quest rewards had been a tad better, yet currently there is a vast amount of players who have spent a lot of money on this game who have now been made no different to a f2p player except we are being asked to pay yet again for something that we already have, take the obelisk carrier, has more hp and crew than the ody I paid for and was given out free, the game is now flooded with purple xii phasers and the only option for people like me, is to pay up yet again and a lot of us will.
To me though, a limited time upgrade token for one toon that let people test out the t5u ships to be able to decide if they wanted to upgrade any more or not would not have broken the bank, it would have most likely increased sales of the tokens because people would have seen the advantage of having it, yet players like me have been given nothing from this expansion (as of yet) perhaps this will change in the future, yet currently, this is a simple marketing ploy that targets those who have already paid a lot.
It is the discrepancy with how they have added this that I have issues with, a deliberate targeting of a section of paying customers who are now no better off than f2p who have never paid a penny and all we are left with is a thankless grind or forking out yet again.
I purchased the ody bundle, have other c store ships, accounts upgrades etc, Would one free token that only worked on one toon, (less than many players have been given already), have broken any ones bank? certain not, would it have encouraged players to buy more? yes, probably it would have led a lot more people to fork out the extra for a tier 6.
Those of us who have spent a lot of money on this game are now no better than a complete f2p player, unless we again pay more money, what part of that are people not grasping? would people be saying the same if next week a tier 6 ship gets given out free after they have just spent money on one? That's what you are vouching for if people would care to realise, loads of paying customers are no more advanced than f2p and in some cases worse off, does that make sense to anyone?
I've had my bundle for a while, I can only imagine that people who just bought the bundles/ships before the expansion announcement are feeling by it, again the deliberate way in which the announcement was held back is a targeted marketing ploy, they've know about these changes for a lot longer than we have and yet have milked t5 ships all the while, I would bet money on people having bought them a couple of days before realising that they would be useless as end game ships.
A free first week token for a level 57 ish quest meaning that it was a limited thing, would have gone a long way, or bring the upgrade price down so that it's cheaper to buy a t5u than a t6 ship?
As it stands in the pursuit of making more money they have forgotten the most important part about making money, who pays the money and why they pay it.
Simple fact, if you supported the game by buying ships from the c-store and building a fleet with zen->dil injections, then you are effectively punished by the upgrade process that requires you to spend some type of currency (cash, dil, ec, timegrind) just to get back to even.
Just to use the same gear for the same content that you were running last month.
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Yes and what do you think would have happened to the company if not for everyone who has spent money on "end game " ship bundles etc? Do and perhaps you would like to read all of my post? It is not "free" it is peoples time, buying zen from the store for dilithium is not "free" someone had to PURCHASE that zen, time spent collecting ec to buy tokens that someone has PAID FOR is not free.
I understand that you want to fan boy here but if you were able to take the tinted specs off for a moment and look at what is actually going on then those who have paid are being fleeced, the only option we have is to either buy an upgrade or pay more for a new ship that is only slightly better, simply to get to the place that we just were, someone who gets lucky from a lock box gets a free upgrade yet someone who bought the odyssey bundle among other things doesn't?
I would also like to add that the free ships (such as obelisk carrier) was given out to ALL players, not just paying customers, how long would this game have lasted without people actually paying money? Nothing is FREE in this game or any other, how many of these "free" as you say things would have existed if the company had folded because no one was funding it? after the failure of it's subscription based mode they had to go f2p in order to make money and they clearly are making money, by all accounts this year has been a very successful year for the financial side of the game, it's not like they are going to fold if no one buys an upgrade token.
Yet no free upgrade for those of us who have forked out, not even a "limited time" for completing a certain event/episode such as with the obelisk, nothing except a "please pay us more for something that you thought was end game and upgrade it to something that isn't quite end game.
Yes, it is a slap in the face to people who have paid far more than they clearly should have considering how their custom has been valued.
For some reason you seem to think it costing more for a lesser ship is a good deal? Or is it that someone else is buying zen for you and you do not appreciate the value of money?
The event ships got free upgrade to t5-u. If you are so tight on budget you should have got that free ships.
They give us expansions after expansions for free. Don;t you think is fair for them to make some money ?
Beside to play all the content you don;t need a t5u ship. Only if you want to do advanced .
As awesome as all of that is, it is for all of the players, free and paying. They did not thank those who bought all of those ships for keeping the game going up to this point. Instead they purposely devalued all of that money we spent without so much as a thank you or a token of appreciation.
Big difference, if you aren't upset by that, whatever, you don't have to be. If you don't understand how we feel, then whatever, we don't need you to.
Are you really asking someone who has spent several hundred British pounds on this game if they don't think the company should make money? of course they should THEY ARE, I have personally made them money! and thank for for pointing out the obvious that I never needed a t5u or t6 to do most of the new content that I have already done in the past 6 days.
But your points simply add to my own.
What reward was there from the new content for anyone other than a f2p who wasn't doing elites or getting rep rewards before the expansion? For those of us who have spent a great deal of money to get to where we were NOTHING! weapons that were no better than what I had and worse in most cases, an engine that I got rid off at level 45? the story started well and was good fun, then WHAM endless patrol missions that got boring after the first two against ships who's only challenge was staying awake long enough to burn down their excessive hit points and who's only purpose has been to make people fed up with grinding already. But I am not having a go at the expansion or the upgrade mechanism or the new tier 6 ships,
I am having a go at the way in which paying costumers are being used and have even potentially been given less than a f2p has, there is a company making money and there is a company taking advantage, the sole reason that lock box ships get a free upgrade is because of the amount of money the company makes from keys, plain and simple and the sales would drop if it was only tier 5 instead of t5u. a lot of people like me are in the same position. how many t5 ships are going to be purchased from now on considering that 500 zen more gets you a t6? not many I would bet, a free single use upgrade with a t5 bundle? that would probably entice more sales, like I have said before, 3000 zen for a t6, 3200 for a t5u, the question asked here is "is it worth it" no is the flat out answer, NO ONE is going to buy a t5 and an upgrade when a t6 is cheaper, NO ONE! this is simply to get more money out of those who have paid more in the first place, most folk with t5 are going to go right to the t6 unless they have a lot of zen sitting spare or are not interested in saving their dilithium for the extorionate amount needed to get a chance for better equipment. 50k refined dilithium for a chance at an upgrade? There are people on here spent that and it's been wasted, plenty of people complaining about that. 50k thats a weeks worth of one toons limit, that would get you roughly 300 zen, not even half way there for a t5u, does that put it into context?
A little over a week ago I was doing elite missions in the end game ship that I spent more than the price of a game on a lot more considering it was the ship bundle, now I am being asked to pay more to get to nearly the stage that I was just at, when you factor in the amount of dilithium that is needed to have a chance at upgrading weapons etc then buying zen with dilithium is not feasible, I could see the point if it was an actual upgrade and brought it into line with a t6 but it's not, it's an extra 700 zen for more hit points, still not being able to use the new officers etc, so in order to experience that, need to pay again, what is the point? all it's done has killed t5 sales?!
A toons daily limit just now gets 50 zen, give or take, personally if I wanted to grind all my toons (that I spent actual money to be able to create) I could have the upgrade in a couple of days, yet I have just been forced into a week long grind for useless rewards and the fun has been sapped right out of the game, it now takes longer to grind dilithium with the new changes, so add a lot more time onto that "grinding" is not what makes a game fun and after all that grinding, no better off than where I started, the r&d mats that are needed to upgrade equipment etc, don't come from normal mode missions, people like me are being forced into purchasing either an upgrade or a new ship, (most likely the slightly more money for a new ship the way the pricing has deliberately been done) which fair enough having to purchase a new tier 6 ship, no problem with that, having to pay over the odds for a bit more hit points on the ship I already have ad have already spent a good deal of money on as if this is somehow doing me a favour?
Do you think giving people who got lucky on a lock box or bought a ship from the exchange for in game credits after giving the company NO MONEY whatsoever, should be favoured over those who have kept the company going so that it could get to this stage? because that is exactly what you are saying, that is how things stand at the moment "The games not pay to win" no? then why do the best ships cost money?
I could see the point if the quest rewards had been a tad better, yet currently there is a vast amount of players who have spent a lot of money on this game who have now been made no different to a f2p player except we are being asked to pay yet again for something that we already have, take the obelisk carrier, has more hp and crew than the ody I paid for and was given out free, the game is now flooded with purple xii phasers and the only option for people like me, is to pay up yet again and a lot of us will.
To me though, a limited time upgrade token for one toon that let people test out the t5u ships to be able to decide if they wanted to upgrade any more or not would not have broken the bank, it would have most likely increased sales of the tokens because people would have seen the advantage of having it, yet players like me have been given nothing from this expansion (as of yet) perhaps this will change in the future, yet currently, this is a simple marketing ploy that targets those who have already paid a lot.
It is the discrepancy with how they have added this that I have issues with, a deliberate targeting of a section of paying customers who are now no better off than f2p who have never paid a penny and all we are left with is a thankless grind or forking out yet again.
I purchased the ody bundle, have other c store ships, accounts upgrades etc, Would one free token that only worked on one toon, (less than many players have been given already), have broken any ones bank? certain not, would it have encouraged players to buy more? yes, probably it would have led a lot more people to fork out the extra for a tier 6.
Those of us who have spent a lot of money on this game are now no better than a complete f2p player, unless we again pay more money, what part of that are people not grasping? would people be saying the same if next week a tier 6 ship gets given out free after they have just spent money on one? That's what you are vouching for if people would care to realise, loads of paying customers are no more advanced than f2p and in some cases worse off, does that make sense to anyone?
I've had my bundle for a while, I can only imagine that people who just bought the bundles/ships before the expansion announcement are feeling by it, again the deliberate way in which the announcement was held back is a targeted marketing ploy, they've know about these changes for a lot longer than we have and yet have milked t5 ships all the while, I would bet money on people having bought them a couple of days before realising that they would be useless as end game ships.
A free first week token for a level 57 ish quest meaning that it was a limited thing, would have gone a long way, or bring the upgrade price down so that it's cheaper to buy a t5u than a t6 ship?
As it stands in the pursuit of making more money they have forgotten the most important part about making money, who pays the money and why they pay it.
Just to use the same gear for the same content that you were running last month.
Fanbois know it they just cant admit it
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