2,000 Zen for 4?! I say that's a very good deal! Means they went down to the lowest (500). For anyone wth more than just 1 ship to upgrade, this offer is very sweet.
Sure, if you ignore the fact that you're spending more money just because Cryptic decided that you should, even if you previously purchased thousands of dollars worth of ships then it's a real steal.
It's like back when Intel was selling processors with locked cores and you had to pay extra money to unlock them. It's exactly why I gave up spending any real world money on this game long ago.
Because they refuse to charge for actual content, they are forced to nickle and dime everyone through a plan of forced obsolescence. It does not matter how many hundreds of dollars you spent on the game. Allowing customers' old purchases to be useful would miss out on a rare opportunity to gouge their most loyal customers.
At least the tokens are tradable. It's more or less the exact same thing as fleet ship modules. People let that slide. Wonder why there's so much more rage on this.
What the hell? I thought C-Store ships would be free upgrades. but no, I bought the Falchion 3 pack of ships, and now they expect me to pay 700 zen *each* to upgrade them? No F'n way.
I feel sorry for the TRIBBLE who bought that mega bundle, because they will be mega-broke.
No, but the lockbox/lobi/event ships (which are FAR harder to get, all things considered) can be upgraded for free. And the free level-up ships/Mirror ships/Fleet Credit-only ships/mission ships can't be upgraded at all, so C-Store ships are the middle ground.
Plus there's a 4-pack, which only costs 2000 Zen (saving you 800 from individual purchase of the same number). That's better than the Fleet Module items, which this is much like
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Select your payment method i.e. Paypal, Visa, etc. and then you'll be asked to select how much you wat to buy.
$200.00 20,000 + 1,300
$100.00 10,000 + 600
$50.00 5,000 + 300
$30.00 3,000
$20.00 2,000
$10.00 1,000
$5.00 500
If you don't want to navigate thru Arc you can bookmark the links I provided and go straight to the "Charge Your Zen" webpage.
One, thanks for showing me that. Two, that is the must non intuitive BS way to find an option that should be front and center. Three, you could have just said hey, its there but its buried. But nope, you need to get over yourself as well it seems.
Sure, if you ignore the fact that you're spending more money just because Cryptic decided that you should, even if you previously purchased thousands of dollars worth of ships then it's a real steal.
It's like back when Intel was selling processors with locked cores and you had to pay extra money to unlock them. It's exactly why I gave up spending any real world money on this game long ago.
Because they refuse to charge for actual content, they are forced to nickle and dime everyone through a plan of forced obsolescence. It does not matter how many hundreds of dollars you spent on the game. Allowing customers' old purchases to be useful would miss out on a rare opportunity to gouge their most loyal customers.
No...you're spending money because you decided you should. No one is forced to upgrade.
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so not only did we pay so much for our ships to begin with we now have to folk out 700 zen for each dam ship or 2000.
that is gonna cause a **** storm.
I feel your pain there. It's either pay all that zen just to upgrade your existing ships, minus the added perks of a true tier 6, or buy the tier 6 out of pocket.
This is as bad as the lockbox events, where the lockboxes drop like candy, but you don't get diddly out of it. Unless you want to shell out millions in EC just to buy it off some gold farmer who will sell your ECs right back to you again.
I rarely post but I think the cost to upgrade ships already purchased is...disappointing at best. I realize it's a matter of a little time to grind out dilith to convert but the idea of having to do it is over-the-top as far as money-grabs go.
It's not worthy of a huge rant or rage quit but it is grounds for losing a lot of respect for the game and its creators.
I rarely post but I think the cost to upgrade ships already purchased is...disappointing at best. I realize it's a matter of a little time to grind out dilith to convert but the idea of having to do it is over-the-top as far as money-grabs go.
It's not worthy of a huge rant or rage quit but it is grounds for losing a lot of respect for the game and its creators.
Which I find funny, being an Open Beta lifetimer myself - there are so many other things, big and small, that have had people lose respect for Cryptic. Well, mostly people who were cynical to begin with, yet still
I find it perfectly reasonable myself, especially since these tokens not only upgrade the ship in question, they upgrade all versions of the ship in question (whether existing now, or gotten later). Plus they're tradeable/buyable on the Exchange, and for many ships, upgrading them upgrades the fleet version for free + vice-versa... not to mention the 4-pack, which saves 800 Zen over the individual purchase of the same number.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Wow. If just the upgrades are that expensive, I'm afraid to even look at how much the actual t6 ships are.:eek:
Only a bit more than the T5 C-Store ships... though, if you consider 700 Zen expensive, all things considered, even the T5 ships must seem like too much
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I think people around here are so used to getting screwed they've got some form of Stockholm syndrome. I mean, really. Seven hundred is nuts. And for a single ship. And give me a break with this deal it's available for all toons with the same ship. Why would I care about flying the same ship on different toons? What are ship loadouts for? I created alts so I could specialize certain toons.
OTOH, since half my characters are flying lockbox ships, I could upgrade those free. Just going to wait a couple of months for my stipend to build up and upgrade other ships using that.
One, thanks for showing me that. Two, that is the must non intuitive BS way to find an option that should be front and center. Three, you could have just said hey, its there but its buried. But nope, you need to get over yourself as well it seems.
So, you feel thankful for them showing you how to buy $5 in Zen, but at the same time feel the need to tell them to get over themselves?
Honestly, if they had just come in and said "Hey, it is there, but buried", would you not have asked for proof that they were not just trolling? Or at least muttered under your breath as you searched about how they were a cagey bugger who could have at least given you a hint where to look? I suppose if I am honest with myself, I would (had I not followed the link the last time this page was shared) have done neither: I'd have combined the above two options and muttered to myself about how they were trolling.
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so not only did we pay so much for our ships to begin with we now have to folk out 700 zen for each dam ship or 2000.
that is gonna cause a **** storm.
So you bought you car in 2008, in 2010 they introduced a new model with a better engine, DID you go ask your car dealer for a "FREE" upgrade? NO, well get over it!!
I was hoping for 500 just because it's a nice round number. You can then do 2 ships for $10, the odd number kinda jumbles things a bit.
It's a minor issue, I had 2 ships to upgrade and the 700 was fair enough that I upgraded them both.
To the people that say you can no longer buy 500 Zen, that's not correct. I bought 500 zen a couple hours ago. The option is still there, I bought through Steam.
Cryptic should sell the T6 ships with an upgrade token. Right now I am interested in the 2000 pack, because, I certainly will upgrade (some of) my T5 ships. That is one thing, to spend another 3000 on a T6 ship, is beyond my budget at the moment.
Because I do not know what I want, I do nothing for the moment. As long as the game is live, you can always buy stuff, there will come Zen discounts, ships sales etc. why hurry?
i have always said, hope for the best and expect the worse then whatever happens you wont be supprised.
well they said the upgrades would be 500zen - 1000zen and the 700zen they have gone for is almost bang in the middle.
of course you will be best off buying in blocks of 4 for 2000, this brings the price down to 500zen each and you can always send extras to your alts or sell on the exchange.
though i have never really agreed with them charging a fee for this i guess it could have been a lot worse, there could have been no upgrade option at all or there may have been no free upgrades for some ships so all in all we havent done so bad here as it stands.
i still think if you are looking at upgrading lots of T5 ships to T5u specially over multiple factions you will be much better off buying the DR ship pack, its on the C-store now or you can buy it from the web site.
its really great value as far as i am concerned.
with 9 ships in total plus 3 special boffs and the doff pack that can be claimed an reclaimed on all of your characters plus the 3 upgrade tokens its a no brainer at 12500zen, you could pay more then this for the 9 T6 ships alone.
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and if that journey takes a little longer,
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But you can work on someone else's dime. And months of constant grinding
But that's what makes it not pay-to-win. Pay-To-Win means the only way to get an advantage if you personally have to pay for it. It means "F2P" is just a lip service and you're a second class citizen because you don't get the cool toys.
Cryptic's method is better.
Not neccessarily good, however. Because there is still a strong financial incentive for them to make new additions to the game more powerful, because the people that are willing to pay will often pay for the extra power boost. So, power creep and limited end-game/high-performance viability is still an unfortunate consequence. I don't like that.
But not enough that I didn't end up buying the Operation Pack and now fly around with Tier 6 ships. I just have given up on really getting back into PvP, which is a shame considering how much fun it can be.
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I think people around here are so used to getting screwed they've got some form of Stockholm syndrome.
I think forum people are so used to ranting about getting screwed that they'll do so no matter what happens.
Before the expansion hit, the Doom Patrol was going on about "500-1000? Hah, it'll be 2000" and "3000 for a T6 ship? Hah, it'll be 3500-4000+". And now the expac has hit, and their fever dreams didn't come true.... and they're still going. Because being bitter on a gaming forum is what "gaming" means to them.
Ah, well.
edit: for transparency..... I have 4k zen saved up (from dil) in preparation for the new stuff. I only have three upgradable c-store ships across my 8 fed/klin/rom characters. And almost all my characters have winter & summer event ships, (except the one who has a lobi ship). So choosing to upgrade or buy a T6 ship isn't going to be a big deal for me. /shrug
I was hoping for 500 just because it's a nice round number. You can then do 2 ships for $10, the odd number kinda jumbles things a bit.
It's a minor issue, I had 2 ships to upgrade and the 700 was fair enough that I upgraded them both.
To the people that say you can no longer buy 500 Zen, that's not correct. I bought 500 zen a couple hours ago. The option is still there, I bought through Steam.
The odd number is a old sales trick to get you to buy more, especially with a token system where you can only buy in lots of 500/1000. GW2 pulls this junk too, so it's not just PWE. Just be aware how you're being manipulated and whether or not you're ok with it before purchasing.
When you use an Upgrade Token it is Account-wide and covers both C-Store and Fleet ships. So if you Upgrade your C-Store Defiant all Defiant are Upgraded on your Account. If you buy a Fleet Defiant for a character it will also be automatically Upgraded because you upgraded your C-Store Defiant - and any Fleet Defiants bought for other characters will also be Upgrades automatically.
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So not playing until at least next month.
Pay to win if you PvP.
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Sure, if you ignore the fact that you're spending more money just because Cryptic decided that you should, even if you previously purchased thousands of dollars worth of ships then it's a real steal.
It's like back when Intel was selling processors with locked cores and you had to pay extra money to unlock them. It's exactly why I gave up spending any real world money on this game long ago.
Because they refuse to charge for actual content, they are forced to nickle and dime everyone through a plan of forced obsolescence. It does not matter how many hundreds of dollars you spent on the game. Allowing customers' old purchases to be useful would miss out on a rare opportunity to gouge their most loyal customers.
Plus there's a 4-pack, which only costs 2000 Zen (saving you 800 from individual purchase of the same number). That's better than the Fleet Module items, which this is much like
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
One, thanks for showing me that. Two, that is the must non intuitive BS way to find an option that should be front and center. Three, you could have just said hey, its there but its buried. But nope, you need to get over yourself as well it seems.
No...you're spending money because you decided you should. No one is forced to upgrade.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I feel your pain there. It's either pay all that zen just to upgrade your existing ships, minus the added perks of a true tier 6, or buy the tier 6 out of pocket.
This is as bad as the lockbox events, where the lockboxes drop like candy, but you don't get diddly out of it. Unless you want to shell out millions in EC just to buy it off some gold farmer who will sell your ECs right back to you again.
It's not worthy of a huge rant or rage quit but it is grounds for losing a lot of respect for the game and its creators.
I find it perfectly reasonable myself, especially since these tokens not only upgrade the ship in question, they upgrade all versions of the ship in question (whether existing now, or gotten later). Plus they're tradeable/buyable on the Exchange, and for many ships, upgrading them upgrades the fleet version for free + vice-versa... not to mention the 4-pack, which saves 800 Zen over the individual purchase of the same number.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
OTOH, since half my characters are flying lockbox ships, I could upgrade those free. Just going to wait a couple of months for my stipend to build up and upgrade other ships using that.
So, you feel thankful for them showing you how to buy $5 in Zen, but at the same time feel the need to tell them to get over themselves?
Honestly, if they had just come in and said "Hey, it is there, but buried", would you not have asked for proof that they were not just trolling? Or at least muttered under your breath as you searched about how they were a cagey bugger who could have at least given you a hint where to look? I suppose if I am honest with myself, I would (had I not followed the link the last time this page was shared) have done neither: I'd have combined the above two options and muttered to myself about how they were trolling.
Pop Quiz time. Circle the answer you choose* on your screen to get credit.
Sopwithsnipe was:
A) being helpful
B ) preempting any accsations of trolling, etc
C) proving that they needed to get over themselves
D ) some combination of A and B.
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So you bought you car in 2008, in 2010 they introduced a new model with a better engine, DID you go ask your car dealer for a "FREE" upgrade? NO, well get over it!!
I was hoping for 500 just because it's a nice round number. You can then do 2 ships for $10, the odd number kinda jumbles things a bit.
It's a minor issue, I had 2 ships to upgrade and the 700 was fair enough that I upgraded them both.
To the people that say you can no longer buy 500 Zen, that's not correct. I bought 500 zen a couple hours ago. The option is still there, I bought through Steam.
But you can work on someone else's dime. And months of constant grinding
Because I do not know what I want, I do nothing for the moment. As long as the game is live, you can always buy stuff, there will come Zen discounts, ships sales etc. why hurry?
well they said the upgrades would be 500zen - 1000zen and the 700zen they have gone for is almost bang in the middle.
of course you will be best off buying in blocks of 4 for 2000, this brings the price down to 500zen each and you can always send extras to your alts or sell on the exchange.
though i have never really agreed with them charging a fee for this i guess it could have been a lot worse, there could have been no upgrade option at all or there may have been no free upgrades for some ships so all in all we havent done so bad here as it stands.
i still think if you are looking at upgrading lots of T5 ships to T5u specially over multiple factions you will be much better off buying the DR ship pack, its on the C-store now or you can buy it from the web site.
its really great value as far as i am concerned.
with 9 ships in total plus 3 special boffs and the doff pack that can be claimed an reclaimed on all of your characters plus the 3 upgrade tokens its a no brainer at 12500zen, you could pay more then this for the 9 T6 ships alone.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Cryptic's method is better.
Not neccessarily good, however. Because there is still a strong financial incentive for them to make new additions to the game more powerful, because the people that are willing to pay will often pay for the extra power boost. So, power creep and limited end-game/high-performance viability is still an unfortunate consequence. I don't like that.
But not enough that I didn't end up buying the Operation Pack and now fly around with Tier 6 ships.
I think forum people are so used to ranting about getting screwed that they'll do so no matter what happens.
Before the expansion hit, the Doom Patrol was going on about "500-1000? Hah, it'll be 2000" and "3000 for a T6 ship? Hah, it'll be 3500-4000+". And now the expac has hit, and their fever dreams didn't come true.... and they're still going. Because being bitter on a gaming forum is what "gaming" means to them.
Ah, well.
edit: for transparency..... I have 4k zen saved up (from dil) in preparation for the new stuff. I only have three upgradable c-store ships across my 8 fed/klin/rom characters. And almost all my characters have winter & summer event ships, (except the one who has a lobi ship). So choosing to upgrade or buy a T6 ship isn't going to be a big deal for me. /shrug
The odd number is a old sales trick to get you to buy more, especially with a token system where you can only buy in lots of 500/1000. GW2 pulls this junk too, so it's not just PWE. Just be aware how you're being manipulated and whether or not you're ok with it before purchasing.
500 zen for fleet upgrade
700 zen for T5-U upgrade
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3700 zen total
-vs-
3000 zen for base T6 that is better
T5 is a waste of your money
ok, thx for the explanations