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    strykewolf67strykewolf67 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Like the set-up; now, what's it look like?
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    darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    hyefather wrote: »
    Believe it or not. This ship won't get that much action anyways. Why? As stuppied as it may sound No A2B boff set up. I for one don't look for this on escorts but I do for cruisers. Still you watch and see.

    1 Lieutenant Intel/Tactical
    1 Commander Tactical
    1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering
    1 Lieutenant Commander Science

    That's 6 Tac slots, 3 Eng, 3 Sci, 1 Uni.

    With 3 DCEs, 1 Grav Sci (if Zemok, APO3 instead of APB3.):

    TT1/APB1
    TT1/FAW2/FAW3/APB3
    EPtS1/A2SIF1/EPtW3
    HE1/TSS2/GW1
    ET1

    Alternatively, TT1 on the Uni Ens and you get an Ens Intel ability. FAW1 on the Ens and you can switch the FAW2 for an Lt Intel ability.

    Why would you need A2B? If you're looking for A2B as a priority, as opposed to a backup for a layout that's too Eng-heavy, you don't really know what you're doing.
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    bubblebaflebubblebafle Member Posts: 273 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    isror wrote: »
    Doesn't alter the fact that the core function of the game is still F2P.

    F2P only means that you can access the game without the need to pay to do it. Thats all. You can "pay" in some other ways once you are "in". In that aspect, STO is the king, i know.
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    icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    the thing about some of these ships that is getting me is the usage at lvl 40. a t6 at lvl 40? sure the hull scalles up but the rest of it stays the same. now they have truly made buying a t5 ship pointless. and anything under a t6f LOl why bother with anything else.


    would seem they should keep t6 at lvl 55 or 60 or something being able to get one at lvl 40 seems like it will cut into lower tiered ships sales big time.
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    bubblebaflebubblebafle Member Posts: 273 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    icsairguns wrote: »
    the thing about some of these ships that is getting me is the usage at lvl 40. a t6 at lvl 40? sure the hull scalles up but the rest of it stays the same. now they have truly made buying a t5 ship pointless. and anything under a t6f LOl why bother with anything else.


    would seem they should keep t6 at lvl 55 or 60 or something being able to get one at lvl 40 seems like it will cut into lower tiered ships sales big time.

    They only did that to give ships the opportunity to have a chance surviving the new enemies with millions of hp..
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    icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    They only did that to give ships the opportunity to have a chance surviving the new enemies with millions of hp..

    the scaling hull? so what thats not the point its using t6 ship at lvl 40. well before the player can even reach the new harder content supposedly
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    isrorisror Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    adorenko wrote: »
    True story. I challenge anybody to play this game for free without using a single item that cost an initial Zen price. So no keys, no inventory unlocks, no EC unlock, no DoFF unlocks, nothing and tell me how it goes? You may be able to get all of this stuff without you paying money but someone did, that's the point.

    If nobody did, you wouldn't have a game to play. Thank the players like my self who infuse this title with money to keep it online for those who don't want to spend a dime.

    If we don't spend, you don't have a title.
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    bubblebaflebubblebafle Member Posts: 273 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    isror wrote: »
    If nobody did, you wouldn't have a game to play. Thank the players like my self who infuse this title with money to keep it online for those who don't want to spend a dime.

    If we don't spend, you don't have a title.

    And we all appreciate it. Truly. ;)

    Thats the good thing. People who can afford to waste real money on this game, are helping others that cant afford to do it or dont want (for obvious reasons) to.
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    bubblebaflebubblebafle Member Posts: 273 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    icsairguns wrote: »
    the scaling hull? so what thats not the point its using t6 ship at lvl 40. well before the player can even reach the new harder content supposedly

    It was a half-sarcasm-ed sentence. :P. I dont think adding 10k more hp points will make any difference at all.
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    kerriknightkerriknight Member Posts: 274
    edited October 2014
    hyefather wrote: »
    Believe it or not. This ship won't get that much action anyways. Why? As stuppied as it may sound No A2B boff set up. I for one don't look for this on escorts but I do for cruisers. Still you watch and see.

    Another poster went into the specifics, but A2B is not necessary (or even ideal) on a tac ship. A2B is for cruisers that are very light on tac abilities (as in 2 or maybe 3 total) as a way to essentially take one TT, BO/BFAW, and APB and turn them into two of each while also maintaining high/capped power levels in W/S/E.

    When you already have a diverse array of tac abilities, you don't need to speed them up because you'd quickly be thwarted by group cooldowns and any further reduction gets wasted.
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    bubblebaflebubblebafle Member Posts: 273 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Another poster went into the specifics, but A2B is not necessary (or even ideal) on a tac ship. A2B is for cruisers that are very light on tac abilities (as in 2 or maybe 3 total) as a way to essentially take one TT, BO, and APB and turn them into two of each while also maintaining high/capped power levels in W/S/E.

    When you already have a diverse array of tac abilities, you don't need to speed them up because you'd quickly be thwarted by group cooldowns and any further reduction gets wasted.

    I dont use any A2B setup in any of my tactical ships. And i have about 10 of em. Of course, i have plasmonic leech, but still.. its far better to just pick up the plasmonic leech than trying to make a A2B just for the sake of the power drain, specially in a tactical ship, i just dont see it. I dont know why people is so obsessed with A2B builds, seriously.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    adorenko wrote: »
    The Hazari Destroyer is a Tier 6 starship.

    Tier: 6

    I could go on for hours about why this ship was a bad choice but I'll stick to just a few things that are bugging me the most. First off, this group of bounty hunters wasn't all that interesting to begin with and why does the crew complement list this ship at 400? What!?! They're bounty hunters, in the episode "Think Tank" there were numerous ships of 2 man crews, facepalm. And finally, don't we have enough damn tactical ships? Not too mention that the Kazon ship is a tactical ship, albeit a TRIBBLE one but still. I think that the other ship coming out in the new lock box/lobi store should have been a science vessel. Lock box/lobi store Tactical ships out number Science vessel by a count over 2 to 1. In fact the ship that it should have been was this one:

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    These episodes were much more engaging, IMO, and the same goes with everyone on IMDB.
    "Year of Hell PT 1 & 2" rated higher than "Think Tank."

    "Think Tank": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708993/?ref_=ttep_ep20
    "Year of Hel part 1": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0709014/?ref_=ttep_ep8

    What do you all think?

    So you jump right to the Krenim Supership :rolleyes: That thing needs to be in the hands of players about as much as Borg Tac cubes do.. I blame Cryptic for this thread because the amount of non-aligned ships in the hands of players should never have been allowed to get to what they are, but this kind of ship should ONLY be the target of missions to destroy it. Weapons like this one should never be allowed to exist, let alone be in the hands of every Tom, Richard, and Harry strolling down the street.

    Nevermind, how many tactical ships are or aren't being released.
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    semalda226semalda226 Member Posts: 1,994 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Mine dilith->exchange-> zen

    Energy credits->keys->lobi
    or
    Mine dilith->exchange-> zen->keys->lobi

    NEXT!

    Exactly! I've done it for years make extra toons farm dil then convert it 5 toons will get you 1-3 keys a day depending on exchange rates
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    adorenkoadorenko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    So you jump right to the Krenim Supership :rolleyes: That thing needs to be in the hands of players about as much as Borg Tac cubes do.. I blame Cryptic for this thread because the amount of non-aligned ships in the hands of players should never have been allowed to get to what they are, but this kind of ship should ONLY be the target of missions to destroy it. Weapons like this one should never be allowed to exist, let alone be in the hands of every Tom, Richard, and Harry strolling down the street.

    Nevermind, how many tactical ships are or aren't being released.

    The Krenim ship obviously isn't a supership, Voyager destroyed it. And when have any of the LB/LS ships ever had the uber kill all button actually installed on it? The Wells time ship should be able to kill everything, how many years into the future is it? The technology there should be able to overcome anything in current time. And no don't "Nevermind, how many tactical ships are or aren't being released." That was the main point of the thread.
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    semalda226semalda226 Member Posts: 1,994 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    adorenko wrote: »
    The Krenim ship obviously isn't a supership, Voyager destroyed it.

    By ramming it and exploding.....
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    adorenkoadorenko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    semalda226 wrote: »
    By ramming it and exploding.....

    Yep, Janeway wins!!!
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    thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    semalda226 wrote: »
    By ramming it and exploding.....
    Is that not how Klingons win half their battles? :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    You'd think that after what the T6 Sci ships have to offer people would realize how much they hate Science...
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    adorenkoadorenko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Is that not how Klingons win half their battles? :)

    Perhaps today is a good day to die! Ramming Speed!
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    kerriknightkerriknight Member Posts: 274
    edited October 2014
    I dont use any A2B setup in any of my tactical ships. And i have about 10 of em. Of course, i have plasmonic leech, but still.. its far better to just pick up the plasmonic leech than trying to make a A2B just for the sake of the power drain, specially in a tactical ship, i just dont see it. I dont know why people is so obsessed with A2B builds, seriously.

    On a ship light in the Tac department, they are an option that you can have up and running for very little cost and for the most part passively improve over time with minimal investment via Doffing. While the cherry on top is rather exclusive (Marion Doff), most other high-powered cruiser builds have higher barrier-to-entry costs because they require several moving parts to all be boosted significantly enough to achieve a 'feedback loop' of synergies.

    With A2B, you pay to rearrange some Boff skills and get even 3x green technicians, go fight some mobs and if your ship was tac-starved, you can instantly feel the difference, no question.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    adorenko wrote: »
    The Krenim ship obviously isn't a supership, Voyager destroyed it. And when have any of the LB/LS ships ever had the uber kill all button actually installed on it? The Wells time ship should be able to kill everything, how many years into the future is it? The technology there should be able to overcome anything in current time. And no don't "Nevermind, how many tactical ships are or aren't being released." That was the main point of the thread.

    Sabotage from the inside by the ship's own first officer was also more than a little instrumental to that ship being taken down.. Never forget that. As interesting as the "year of hell" episodes were, that should never have happened, Voyager's plot armor was OBSCENE in those episodes, probably the single worst in the whole of the franchise.

    Had Paris, Chakotay, and Obrist not sabotaged the timeship Voyager wouldn't exist right now.

    ALSO since that whole timeline was erased.. no one should even have knowledge of its existence or lack there of.

    NO! just no.

    As for the too many tac ships.. That is simply the sad evolution of such an aged game engine as this one, options for game mechanics are either being limited by the engine or those who run it. Every "expansion" of this game from now on, just like every expansion of WOW is currently will just be number balloons. The faster everyone realizes this and either accepts it and stays here or moves on to a new game, the happier everyone will be either here or in their new homes.
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    mrgrocer56mrgrocer56 Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Is it still 800 lobi or did they jack it up because Tier6 and reasons....
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    tanuustanuus Member Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The game is F2P.

    But the mistake we all made was thinking F2P stands "Free to Play"

    It actually stands for "Free to Peruse". :P
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    whiterookwhiterook Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    adorenko wrote: »
    Perhaps today is a good day to die! Ramming Speed!

    As long as they are die, thats all that matters! :P
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    damienvryce2damienvryce2 Member Posts: 428 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    kayajay wrote: »
    I didn't even recognize the name...and I'm a Voyager buff! There are far more interesting species to have given focus to, just like I don't know why so much attention is being given to the Kobali. Both species only had one episode each.

    Um...the Voth only had one episode too and they made an entire season around them. :rolleyes:
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    adorenkoadorenko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Um...the Voth only had one episode too and they made an entire season around them. :rolleyes:

    The Voth actually had a significant attachment to Earth and backstory to explore. The Hazari, well, don't. IMO they were kind of a bad alien of the week to choose from, even for just a ship.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Um...the Voth only had one episode too and they made an entire season around them. :rolleyes:
    Well, to be fair, most races in Voyager were little more than the Alien-of-the-week.
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