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adorenkoadorenko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
The Hazari Destroyer is a Tier 6 starship.

Tier: 6
Faction: All
Rank Required: Rear Admiral / Brigadier General / Sub Admiral I
Availability: Lobi Store
Hull Strength:
31,500 at level 40, 36,225 at level 50 and 42,000 at level 60
Shield Modifier:
1.15
Crew: 400
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Device Slots: 3
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Intel/Tactical, 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Commander Science, 1 Ensign Universal
Console Modifications: 5 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 3 Science
Base Turn Rate: 15 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.2
Inertia: 60
+15 Weapon Power
Can Load Dual Cannons
Console – Universal – Hazari Shield Drone
Matter-Antimatter Warp Core
Starship Ability Package (Destroyer)
Precise Weapon Systems (+Accuracy)
Enhanced Weapon Banks (+Crit Severity)
Devastating Weaponry (+Crit Chance)
Enhanced Weapon Systems (+Damage)
Partners In Arms (Starship Trait)


I could go on for hours about why this ship was a bad choice but I'll stick to just a few things that are bugging me the most. First off, this group of bounty hunters wasn't all that interesting to begin with and why does the crew complement list this ship at 400? What!?! They're bounty hunters, in the episode "Think Tank" there were numerous ships of 2 man crews, facepalm. And finally, don't we have enough damn tactical ships? Not too mention that the Kazon ship is a tactical ship, albeit a TRIBBLE one but still. I think that the other ship coming out in the new lock box/lobi store should have been a science vessel. Lock box/lobi store Tactical ships out number Science vessel by a count over 2 to 1. In fact the ship that it should have been was this one:

http://www.meeplemart.com/resize/Shared/Images/Product/Star-Trek-Attack-Wing-KRENIM-TIMESHIP/KRENIM-TIMESHIP.jpg?lr=t&bw=1000&w=1000&bh=1000&h=1000

These episodes were much more engaging, IMO, and the same goes with everyone on IMDB.
"Year of Hell PT 1 & 2" rated higher than "Think Tank."

"Think Tank": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708993/?ref_=ttep_ep20
"Year of Hel part 1": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0709014/?ref_=ttep_ep8

What do you all think?
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    firekeeperhufirekeeperhu Member Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    a stopped raging about unrealistic crew size a long time ago, and i have a much more peaceful life since as you see :D
    <3 Defiant <3

    RnD and upgrade needs less RNG. Less lottery. Something has to change.
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    isrorisror Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    a stopped raging about unrealistic crew size a long time ago, and i have a much more peaceful life since as you see :D

    ^ This basically... They stopped caring a loooooong time ago. Take it for what it is, and play on. Enjoy that they are at least adding content and unique ships to the game and keeping it somewhat fresh. Is it a cash grab lolLotto? Absolutely! But the facts are, those "grabs" make updates like DR possible.
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    bones1970bones1970 Member Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    x2 is all about dps, so no tac is better !!
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    inixus1inixus1 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    isror wrote: »
    ^ This basically... They stopped caring a loooooong time ago. Take it for what it is, and play on. Enjoy that they are at least adding content and unique ships to the game and keeping it somewhat fresh. Is it a cash grab lolLotto? Absolutely! But the facts are, those "grabs" make updates like DR possible.

    +1 And unlike other so called ftp games, this game IS ftp :).
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    seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I'm also bummed out that the're no sci vessel in the lobi store since it was my last hope for a T6 sci ship for my gorn (we all know that the KDF won't see another ship for the next year :( ).

    But complaining about crew size? :D

    :DYou made my day buddy.:D
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    adorenkoadorenko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    isror wrote: »
    ^ This basically... They stopped caring a loooooong time ago. Take it for what it is, and play on. Enjoy that they are at least adding content and unique ships to the game and keeping it somewhat fresh. Is it a cash grab lolLotto? Absolutely! But the facts are, those "grabs" make updates like DR possible.

    Honestly, I don't care as much about the crew thing as much as we got another damn Tac ship.
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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    You are right OP! Good post.

    The thought that a Nicor Bio ship is Tier 5U while this…vessel which I almost not even remember from the shows is supposed to represent Tier 6+ (Tier 6 fleet) is a laugh at itself.
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    kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I didn't even recognize the name...and I'm a Voyager buff! There are far more interesting species to have given focus to, just like I don't know why so much attention is being given to the Kobali. Both species only had one episode each.
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    lowy1lowy1 Member Posts: 964 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    11 Consoles, 3 LCDR Powers, I think we see what the Fleet ships will look like....and T5U is supposed to compete:rolleyes:
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    generator88generator88 Member Posts: 698 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    TD;DR (too dark, that text color makes the post like some manner of vision test I don't feel like taking)
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    I'm sure your DPS is great, but as Kahless said, "a petaQ with high system mastery is still a petaQ." (Well, he should have said it...!)
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    haplo013haplo013 Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    kayajay wrote: »
    I didn't even recognize the name...and I'm a Voyager buff! There are far more interesting species to have given focus to, just like I don't know why so much attention is being given to the Kobali. Both species only had one episode each.

    Thats easy to explain. By using races with very little information from the series they are pretty much free to develop them any way they want.
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    vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    adorenko wrote: »
    The Hazari Destroyer is a Tier 6 starship.

    Tier: 6
    Faction: All
    Rank Required: Rear Admiral / Brigadier General / Sub Admiral I
    Availability: Lobi Store
    Hull Strength:
    31,500 at level 40, 36,225 at level 50 and 42,000 at level 60
    Shield Modifier:
    1.15
    Crew: 400
    Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
    Device Slots: 3
    Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Intel/Tactical, 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Commander Science, 1 Ensign Universal
    Console Modifications: 5 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 3 Science
    Base Turn Rate: 15 degrees per second
    Impulse Modifier: 0.2
    Inertia: 60
    +15 Weapon Power
    Can Load Dual Cannons
    Console – Universal – Hazari Shield Drone
    Matter-Antimatter Warp Core
    Starship Ability Package (Destroyer)
    Precise Weapon Systems (+Accuracy)
    Enhanced Weapon Banks (+Crit Severity)
    Devastating Weaponry (+Crit Chance)
    Enhanced Weapon Systems (+Damage)
    Partners In Arms (Starship Trait)


    I could go on for hours about why this ship was a bad choice but I'll stick to just a few things that are bugging me the most. First off, this group of bounty hunters wasn't all that interesting to begin with and why does the crew complement list this ship at 400? What!?! They're bounty hunters, in the episode "Think Tank" there were numerous ships of 2 man crews, facepalm. And finally, don't we have enough damn tactical ships? Not too mention that the Kazon ship is a tactical ship, albeit a TRIBBLE one but still. I think that the other ship coming out in the new lock box/lobi store should have been a science vessel. Lock box/lobi store Tactical ships out number Science vessel by a count over 2 to 1. In fact the ship that it should have been was this one:

    http://www.meeplemart.com/resize/Shared/Images/Product/Star-Trek-Attack-Wing-KRENIM-TIMESHIP/KRENIM-TIMESHIP.jpg?lr=t&bw=1000&w=1000&bh=1000&h=1000

    These episodes were much more engaging, IMO, and the same goes with everyone on IMDB.
    "Year of Hell PT 1 & 2" rated higher than "Think Tank."

    "Think Tank": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708993/?ref_=ttep_ep20
    "Year of Hel part 1": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0709014/?ref_=ttep_ep8

    What do you all think?

    Don't worry about crew size. If you watch, Search for Spock. The Bird-of-Prey compliment is a dozen or two officers. Definitely not a couple of hundreds on STO.
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    vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    adorenko wrote: »

    What do you all think?

    I hope the new ships burn in TRIBBLE(especially the Intel ships) and the Cryptic get a face palm from players. So, I'm hoping low sales. I am deciding not to play any T6 ships if it's not cannon looking.

    I always thought STO should have gone in this direction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gGLE3USB2U#t=281 with strange new worlds and exploration.

    To answer your question about crew I think there should be more interaction and they should have a equal leveling system. As for storage, I think they should have a promotion system that you can demote. Demoting a officers to crew compliment will effectively erase all there data saving server space.

    So, instead of 400 fully scalable npc's. You have maybe 14 scalable npcs (boff and candidate), then the other 386 just will be crew compliment. For example.
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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    inixus1 wrote: »
    +1 And unlike other so called ftp games, this game IS ftp :).
    That's a stupid thing to say in a thread about ships that can only be obtained with zen and lobi, both of which only exist because of $$ transaction
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    zarxidejackozarxidejacko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    That's a stupid thing to say in a thread about ships that can only be obtained with zen and lobi, both of which only exist because of $$ transaction

    Mine dilith->exchange-> zen

    Energy credits->keys->lobi
    or
    Mine dilith->exchange-> zen->keys->lobi

    NEXT!
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    inixus1inixus1 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    That's a stupid thing to say in a thread about ships that can only be obtained with zen and lobi, both of which only exist because of $$ transaction

    I have lobi stuff and cstore ships without spending one dollar on this, and you dont need this to play the game, but whatever.
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    calaminthacalamintha Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Mine dilith->exchange-> zen

    Energy credits->keys->lobi
    or
    Mine dilith->exchange-> zen->keys->lobi

    NEXT!

    Didn't your dad tell you that money doesn't grow on trees? Someone has to buy your dilithium with real money. Also I don't think you have played that many F2P games because many of them allow people to sell stuff they buy with money. That's hardly unique for STO.


    To OP: Nice ship. 3 LtC seatings?
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    bubblebaflebubblebafle Member Posts: 273 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    adorenko wrote: »
    Honestly, I don't care as much about the crew thing as much as we got another damn Tac ship.

    If you like star trek , you like to have ships with the correct crew on em, maybe you will love a galaxy class with a crew complement of 100, lets say? that will be ridiculous. The Hazari destroyer (for a start, in the shows it was never a destroyer, just a small assault ship..) should not have more than 100 or 200 crew (and that is too high already).

    But i agree, that, at this point, it is better to forget everything about cannon and realistic things in STO. Cryptic always did what they want, and its better to play with what we have and forget about everything else.

    The problem is, crew compliment is never a problem in small ships, they regenerate really fast, but in huge ships, it is still a really important problem that still needs to be fixed. It is one of the reasons i barely play with my bortasqu.
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    zarxidejackozarxidejacko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    calamintha wrote: »
    Didn't your dad tell you that money doesn't grow on trees? Someone has to buy your dilithium with real money. Also I don't think you have played that many F2P games because many of them allow people to sell stuff they buy with money. That's hardly unique for STO.


    To OP: Nice ship. 3 LtC seatings?

    You can buy Zen with real moeny but you cant sell it for real money. Dilithium market is artificial, because it is always one way trip to virtual currency, excnahge rate could appear to be player driven but it is not.
    2010 is my join date.
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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Mine dilith->exchange-> zen

    Energy credits->keys->lobi
    or
    Mine dilith->exchange-> zen->keys->lobi

    NEXT!

    zen does not exist until somebody buys it with $$

    keys are bought with zen which only exists because somebody paid $$
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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    inixus1 wrote: »
    I have lobi stuff and cstore ships without spending one dollar on this
    lobi and zen only exist because somebody paid real $$

    maybe you are willing to trade your time for somebody else' money ... whatever ... the ships still cost money
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    isrorisror Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    lobi and zen only exist because somebody paid real $$

    maybe you are willing to trade your time for somebody else' money ... whatever ... the ships still cost money

    Doesn't alter the fact that the core function of the game is still F2P.
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    adorenkoadorenko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It's kind of odd that they didn't do a science ship in the LB/LS. With so much emphasis on intelligence officers and the fact that this expansion revolves around Voyager, a science ship, it's really disappointing the direction they took here. Not to mention the fact that they continue to leave Romulan and Klingon science officers to make due with the 2 or 3 science ships available in their faction plus the 3 science lock box ships, which as I said earlier pales in comparison to the barrage of Tac ships. Luckily I realized early that all attention was given to the Federation so I didn't make more than one Klingon and made sure to put my Romulans on the Federation side, not that it helps me out with the ships though. I wish they made more of an effort to the Klingon and Romulan sides of the game.
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    ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    isror wrote: »
    Doesn't alter the fact that the core function of the game is still F2P.

    The ships in this thread are not
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    dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    ...which I almost not even remember from the shows...

    Get used to this. Voyager didn't have any really memorable ships (for a variety of reasons) so just about every ship is going to be a :confused: ship?
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    adorenkoadorenko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The ships in this thread are not

    True story. I challenge anybody to play this game for free without using a single item that cost an initial Zen price. So no keys, no inventory unlocks, no EC unlock, no DoFF unlocks, nothing and tell me how it goes? You may be able to get all of this stuff without you paying money but someone did, that's the point.
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    hyefatherhyefather Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    adorenko wrote: »
    The Hazari Destroyer is a Tier 6 starship.

    Tier: 6
    Faction: All
    Rank Required: Rear Admiral / Brigadier General / Sub Admiral I
    Availability: Lobi Store
    Hull Strength:
    31,500 at level 40, 36,225 at level 50 and 42,000 at level 60
    Shield Modifier:
    1.15
    Crew: 400
    Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
    Device Slots: 3
    Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Intel/Tactical, 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Commander Science, 1 Ensign Universal
    Console Modifications: 5 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 3 Science
    Base Turn Rate: 15 degrees per second
    Impulse Modifier: 0.2
    Inertia: 60
    +15 Weapon Power
    Can Load Dual Cannons
    Console – Universal – Hazari Shield Drone
    Matter-Antimatter Warp Core
    Starship Ability Package (Destroyer)
    Precise Weapon Systems (+Accuracy)
    Enhanced Weapon Banks (+Crit Severity)
    Devastating Weaponry (+Crit Chance)
    Enhanced Weapon Systems (+Damage)
    Partners In Arms (Starship Trait)


    I could go on for hours about why this ship was a bad choice but I'll stick to just a few things that are bugging me the most. First off, this group of bounty hunters wasn't all that interesting to begin with and why does the crew complement list this ship at 400? What!?! They're bounty hunters, in the episode "Think Tank" there were numerous ships of 2 man crews, facepalm. And finally, don't we have enough damn tactical ships? Not too mention that the Kazon ship is a tactical ship, albeit a TRIBBLE one but still. I think that the other ship coming out in the new lock box/lobi store should have been a science vessel. Lock box/lobi store Tactical ships out number Science vessel by a count over 2 to 1. In fact the ship that it should have been was this one:

    http://www.meeplemart.com/resize/Shared/Images/Product/Star-Trek-Attack-Wing-KRENIM-TIMESHIP/KRENIM-TIMESHIP.jpg?lr=t&bw=1000&w=1000&bh=1000&h=1000

    These episodes were much more engaging, IMO, and the same goes with everyone on IMDB.
    "Year of Hell PT 1 & 2" rated higher than "Think Tank."

    "Think Tank": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708993/?ref_=ttep_ep20
    "Year of Hel part 1": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0709014/?ref_=ttep_ep8

    What do you all think?

    Believe it or not. This ship won't get that much action anyways. Why? As stuppied as it may sound No A2B boff set up. I for one don't look for this on escorts but I do for cruisers. Still you watch and see.
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    thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    adorenko wrote: »
    True story. I challenge anybody to play this game for free without using a single item that cost an initial Zen price. So no keys, no inventory unlocks, no EC unlock, no DoFF unlocks, nothing and tell me how it goes? You may be able to get all of this stuff without you paying money but someone did, that's the point.
    It does not matter if someone paid for it as long as it is not me. :)

    Pre-FTP Cryptic gave me Marks for doing the same end-game things over and over and over. I could use them to purchase Purple Gear, and if I saved up 300, or maybe it was 500, of them I could get a "free" Excelsior on a single character.

    Post-FTP Cryptic gives me Dilithium for doing the same end-game things over and over and over. Thanks to the Exchange I can use it to buy everything available.

    Same amount of playing effort; many times more outcome value.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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    icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    inixus1 wrote: »
    I have lobi stuff and cstore ships without spending one dollar on this, and you dont need this to play the game, but whatever.

    thats not the point. somebody spent the money. if they had not you would not have anything to trade for. the game made the money when they sold the zen what happens after that they could not care less.
    Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days. Ch'ar%20POST%20LoR.JPG


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