They have scavenged, salvaged and raided to get to their current level.
The Kazon still lack the understanding, but nothing prevents them from using that technology.
Exactly you hardly need to understand how gunpowder works on a chemical level to pull a trigger.
10 KNO3 + 2 C7H4O → 5 K2CO3 + 4 CO2 + 5 CO + 4 H2O + 5 N2
If understanding that was required the world would be a better place.
I guess the universe would be a better place if pushing the big read button labeled FIRE required a degree in quantum mechanics.
Exactly you hardly need to understand how gunpowder works on a chemical level to pull a trigger.
10 KNO3 + 2 C7H4O → 5 K2CO3 + 4 CO2 + 5 CO + 4 H2O + 5 N2
If understanding that was required the world would be a better place.
I guess the universe would be a better place if pushing the big read button labeled FIRE required a degree in quantum mechanics.
And yet, the hyperbole despite, mav75 is right: you can't really use technology which is fundamentally out of your grasp. At least not in the long run. At some point you're gonna have to do maintenance, replicate new parts, etc., and put it back together again, coherently. Or watch the tech slip thru your fingers.
Exactly you hardly need to understand how gunpowder works on a chemical level to pull a trigger.
10 KNO3 + 2 C7H4O → 5 K2CO3 + 4 CO2 + 5 CO + 4 H2O + 5 N2
If understanding that was required the world would be a better place.
I guess the universe would be a better place if pushing the big read button labeled FIRE required a degree in quantum mechanics.
We probably wouldn't have left the stone age, however. Imagine having to calculate the flight curve of a spear to determine whether you can use spears to hunt animals - when you don't even have a language yet!
(Makes me wonder - could their be aliens that did not evolve from hunters that would have no idea how to use ranged weapons because their brains simply have never evolved the necessary hand-eye coordination and the ability to predict movements? Or would such creatures never be on a path to sentience?)
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
And yet, the hyperbole despite, mav75 is right: you can't really use technology which is fundamentally out of your grasp. At least not in the long run. At some point you're gonna have to do maintenance, replicate new parts, etc., and put it back together again, coherently. Or watch the tech slip thru your fingers.
But that's assuming the Kazon are inherently dumb. If you took a 6 year old child from the 2nd h century and put it through our modern education system, would it be somehow inherently unable to use computers?
The Kazon were just us, a few centuries ago. Then someone came along, enslaved them, but the Kazon managed to overpower them because their enslavers needed people that could use their tools - which probably including maintaining it - and their tools could be used against them.
The Kazon social development didn't catch up, of course. That is not tied to technological understanding.
The Kazon are basically the example of why the Federation doesn't hand out advanced tech to primitive cultures. You create a society that has tools it can't handle morally or ethically, even if understands their usage just fine. You get self-destruction or pirates and raiders like the Kazon, not trade partners or potential member states...
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
But that's assuming the Kazon are inherently dumb. If you took a 6 year old child from the 2nd h century and put it through our modern education system, would it be somehow inherently unable to use computers?
The Kazon were just us, a few centuries ago. Then someone came along, enslaved them, but the Kazon managed to overpower them because their enslavers needed people that could use their tools - which probably including maintaining it - and their tools could be used against them.
The Kazon social development didn't catch up, of course. That is not tied to technological understanding.
I don't thnk the Kazon are really dumb, tbh. They're only dumb, socially, as it were, in that they're constantly doing all their silly tribal wars, instead of getting their act together, and getting organized. Mullah (or whatever his name was) was at least as smart as Seska.
Remember its not a Kazon leading them now, its a half Cardassian who has powered his way to lead and seems to be very aggressive and more cunning than a vole at fight night
That's how they have started getting the tech they need combined with their numbers, steal it
And yet, the hyperbole despite, mav75 is right: you can't really use technology which is fundamentally out of your grasp. At least not in the long run. At some point you're gonna have to do maintenance, replicate new parts, etc., and put it back together again, coherently. Or watch the tech slip thru your fingers.
So your saying they need mechanics... not engineers.
Most mechanics I know have very little practical know how when it comes to metallurgy, aerodynamics, weight distribution curves ect ect.
Figuring out how to fix a car is far different then having to figure out how to build a car.
So your saying they need mechanics... not engineers.
Most mechanics I know have very little practical know how when it comes to metallurgy, aerodynamics, weight distribution curves ect ect.
Figuring out how to fix a car is far different then having to figure out how to build a car.
The reason mechanics to-date can still do their work reasonably adequately, despite not being 100% knowledgeable in all areas, is because they can always fall back on the guys who built the car, when it gets really tough, and outside their routine. If a society lacks those fallback folks, then they're in real trouble. Like what if a carburator fails, with none available any more, and you need to build a makeshift one? Then the mechanic will really need to know how cars work, or leave the car broken.
32 years is plenty of time to have a technical renaissance... However the explanation here is that they have begun salvaging other ships' tech. If they got their hands on the right ship (like they tried with Voyager), they could advance pretty quickly.
We probably wouldn't have left the stone age, however. Imagine having to calculate the flight curve of a spear to determine whether you can use spears to hunt animals - when you don't even have a language yet!
(Makes me wonder - could their be aliens that did not evolve from hunters that would have no idea how to use ranged weapons because their brains simply have never evolved the necessary hand-eye coordination and the ability to predict movements? Or would such creatures never be on a path to sentience?)
Lawrence Doyles application of information theory to Human language and dolphin communications is interesting.
To sum it up....
If you take a page of human language (any of them) and make a list of all the words used on the page and count the number of them... so say 20 Uses of "the" 10 of "at" 1 of "morphology" ect. If you graph out the numbers it will form in almost all cases almost a perfect 45 Degree slope from the most used words to the least.
If you do the same thing with a recording of dolphin talk... listing the number of times the most common sounds are used... guess what. 45 Degrees.
We are hardly the only intelligent and sentient species on earth. Dolphins get syntax just like we do which is very cool.
Then again who knows perhaps the real question is can sentient life that hasn't been forced to create tools to feed itself ever become technological. Its possible the universe is filled with life and the majority of it although sentient never really goes anywhere as its never forced by its environment to develop complex tools at all.
The reason mechanics to-date can still do their work reasonably adequately, despite not being 100% knowledgeable in all areas, is because they can always fall back on the guys who built the car, when it gets really tough, and outside their routine. If a society lacks those fallback folks, then they're in real trouble. Like what if a carburator fails, with none available any more, and you need to build a makeshift one? Then the mechanic will really need to know how cars work, or leave the car broken.
That is a valid point. Your right no supply of replacement parts could be an issue.
Reminds me a bit of our own history though... and the pirates of the late 1600s and early 1700s. There was entire gangs of pirates roaming the seas in those times... and they built small outposts. Often they would take there failing captured ships and capture a new ship... scuttling the old one. Some of the more prolific pirates sailed half a dozen ships...
Just saying. Anyway your point is valid. They would have a hard time maintaining things if they knew nothing. I am not sure they knew nothing though. They also don't really have to to know squat. There morals are not star fleet morals. My guess is if they needed someone with the know how to fix there fleet... they wouldn't simply go and steal the parts... they would also capture the people. Doesn't have to have been a kahzon doing the mental lifting at all. Heck with the amount of time since we have seen them its even possible one of there leaders captured a few smart folks that where more then capable of teaching a handful of the Khazon themselves what they needed to know. Its not that there Pakleds... they seem perfectly capable of learning, and perhaps even more driven to do so if they thought it was what was needed to give them the advantage over there rival Khazon.
Lawrence Doyles application of information theory to Human language and dolphin communications is interesting.
To sum it up....
If you take a page of human language (any of them) and make a list of all the words used on the page and count the number of them... so say 20 Uses of "the" 10 of "at" 1 of "morphology" ect. If you graph out the numbers it will form in almost all cases almost a perfect 45 Degree slope from the most used words to the least.
If you do the same thing with a recording of dolphin talk... listing the number of times the most common sounds are used... guess what. 45 Degrees.
We are hardly the only intelligent and sentient species on earth. Dolphins get syntax just like we do which is very cool.
Then again who knows perhaps the real question is can sentient life that hasn't been forced to create tools to feed itself ever become technological. Its possible the universe is filled with life and the majority of it although sentient never really goes anywhere as its never forced by its environment to develop complex tools at all.
Well, where we "forced" to develop complex tools?
Is it a random mutation that only has a chance to grow in a particular environment?
Is our ability to build tools or throw spears a side effect of our social abilities, or did social abilities evolve because teaching the use of tools to others was an advantage?
There is at least some (even experimental) data suggesting that evolution in the same environment - even if you use different starting points (mutations are random) - can converge to the same results. So maybe the exact whens don't matter.
But is there a particular environment that encourages tool use, and if there are, how common are they?
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Well, where we "forced" to develop complex tools?
Is it a random mutation that only has a chance to grow in a particular environment?
Is our ability to build tools or throw spears a side effect of our social abilities, or did social abilities evolve because teaching the use of tools to others was an advantage?
There is at least some (even experimental) data suggesting that evolution in the same environment - even if you use different starting points (mutations are random) - can converge to the same results. So maybe the exact whens don't matter.
But is there a particular environment that encourages tool use, and if there are, how common are they?
Dolphins are also social animals... not sure they have ever had to learn how to spear larger fish, they never evolved a hand I guess. lol
Ya interesting thought chimps are also social yet lack the proper appendage to really make anything all that complex as far as tools go.
So perhaps it all does come down to one of our forbears randomly ending up with a mutated thumb. The fact that we went from sentient to sentient+tools could just be a complete random fluke. Perhaps a very small percentage of sentient life ever mutates in away that allows them to manipulate things with fine motor skills.
^If you read my first post, I would consider this acceptable, but I don't think Cryptic even put the effort to make that part of the story. We shall see.
Dolphins are also social animals... not sure they have ever had to learn how to spear larger fish, they never evolved a hand I guess. lol
Ya interesting thought chimps are also social yet lack the proper appendage to really make anything all that complex as far as tools go.
Well, may primates have opposable thumbs, it's not unique to humans.
It is a certain combination of abilities that enabled us. And there are certain compromises it required. Our brains give us our intellectual capabilities, but this comes at a price - it needs a lot of energy. So the brain can't get too big, or we won't find sufficient sustenance for it (intelligence helps gathering food, but only to a point if all you got are sticks and stones).
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
That is a valid point. Your right no supply of replacement parts could be an issue.
Reminds me a bit of our own history though... and the pirates of the late 1600s and early 1700s. There was entire gangs of pirates roaming the seas in those times... and they built small outposts. Often they would take there failing captured ships and capture a new ship... scuttling the old one. Some of the more prolific pirates sailed half a dozen ships...
Just saying. Anyway your point is valid. They would have a hard time maintaining things if they knew nothing. I am not sure they knew nothing though. They also don't really have to to know squat. There morals are not star fleet morals. My guess is if they needed someone with the know how to fix there fleet... they wouldn't simply go and steal the parts... they would also capture the people. Doesn't have to have been a kahzon doing the mental lifting at all. Heck with the amount of time since we have seen them its even possible one of there leaders captured a few smart folks that where more then capable of teaching a handful of the Khazon themselves what they needed to know. Its not that there Pakleds... they seem perfectly capable of learning, and perhaps even more driven to do so if they thought it was what was needed to give them the advantage over there rival Khazon.
^^ This here is why I respect you. You never keep at it, at all cost, just to be right. Kudos!
And yes, I honestly don't think the Khazon are all that stupid; just grossly disorganized. Now, the Malon, otoh, I can never imagine them even being able to figure out something as simple as an electric toothbrush (and boy, could they use one!). The Khazon just need to give up their raggidy, Nomadic existence, is all. Even the Hirogen eventually understood as much.
I had wanted the Empire to enter the delta quad and find these hapless tribesman and offer them tech for loyalty to the empire and turn them into the cannon fodder for the Empire that they are meant to be. and become another playable race for the Empire.
and let the federation have a playable talaxian and the rommies a ocampa all 3 rather uselss but atleast be something different and new . then add what ever ships they have for those species in game to that factions stores. even if the toon species is a zen store unlock to help compensate for the lockbox issues on some of the ships.
but most people will overlook the kazon ships in favor of much better pickings out there. like kreen .
this expansion would have really been a good time to make the factions differnt instead of putting us all into the one mission fits all BS ... as a klingon i dont wanna run around and talk to, help feds all the time. i want to go to the delta quadrant and Expand the Klingon Empire.
the Klingon Empire
1. send our lizard Gorn buddies to make peace with the Voth. Voth have issues with Earth and distant orgin not the beta quadrant and Klingons. and we have Bio torps to fight 8472 to offer our new Voth allies.
2. we hit up the vaadwaur or what ever they are called, they already know of the empire and as they said to Belanna they have much in common with Klingons.
3. make the pitiful Kazon cannon fodder in exchange for some tech. no prime directive to haper these actions for the empire.
then let us take on the delta quadrant from different angles. and let the bad guys be the Borg, 8472, and iconians.
the rommies
1. let them sneak into the delta quadrant like the thief's in the nite that they truely are, make patty cake with a few sneaky species there and buddy up with the magical Ocampa.
2. have them make peace with the bounty hunter faction and 50% of the liberated Borg. as their new allies
3. break away from the split faction roll and become a sovereign faction but still working in joint missions with the empire and federation.
Feds
1. just keep giving them everything the other factions have that make them unique and makes new people and even long time players forsake the other factions.
2. buddy up with the talaxians get food poisoning 50% 0f the crew dies. then buddy up with the liberated borg take 50% of them ( the ones the rommies didnt get and make them federation lap dogs.
3. nothing else here they already have the game, missions, content and even pet cats LOL
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
Their ships, because they were originally stolen were actually quite powerful. those big cruisers they had could give voyager a run for their money.
the problem the kazon had was even though they were warlike they were scattered into different sects. if they pooled their resources together they would be quite formidable in numbers and ruthlessness. its very conceivable they could have could have stolen tech from any number of other worlds, or taken inspiration from data they acquired from voyager or seska.
No they coudnt lol. Kazon needed 3 of those big cruisers to give the Voyager a buu!. Even if those cruisers were far bigger than the Voyager, they were useless xD. Still, i think seeing a T5 khazon ship no matter what ship it is, is a big mistake, but meh, its cryptic what can we expect.
It doesnt matter if the kazon are scavengers. You need more than that, you need intelligence, resources, who cares if they are scavengers if they dont have a clue about developing a warp core?? they cant evolve just picking up stolen pieces.
Unless Cryptic explains that Seska's Son helped the Kazon by leading them, this idea that the Kazon could adapt so quickly to Alpha Quadrant tech is ridiculous.
Kazon Raider [T5]
Kazon vessels were the scourge of the U.S.S. Voyager's early days in the Delta Quadrant. Though relatively low-tech compared to many other species' modern starships, they were used effectively by the ruthless Kazon in numerous encounters. Over the years since their encounters with Captain Janeway, the Kazon have salvaged, scavenged and raided all manner of updated technology, further enhancing the threat they pose to the more civilized races of the Delta Quadrant.
Based on how the Kazon ships fight on Tribble, if they are as strong in the Holodeck server then I would say it's "a little" difficult to believe they've closed the performance gap with the Federation that much in 30+ years.
That said, I'm still glad we get to use Kazon ships. I thought the Kazon suffered from some of the worst writing in Star Trek history but I like the Kazon ships. I hope we see more Kazon ship in future lock boxes (hopefully we will since they are replacing the Mirror Universe ships).
I also hope we get some Kazon-themed Lobi goodies in the future: Like a universal console that lets you launch a shield-penetrating "shuttle torpedo" like this one:
Exactly you hardly need to understand how gunpowder works on a chemical level to pull a trigger.
10 KNO3 + 2 C7H4O → 5 K2CO3 + 4 CO2 + 5 CO + 4 H2O + 5 N2
If understanding that was required the world would be a better place.
I guess the universe would be a better place if pushing the big read button labeled FIRE required a degree in quantum mechanics.
ohh yeah knife wounds and blunt force trama are so much safer.
people have had weapons and used them against each other for our entire History. only thing that has changed is the how quickly and how many of each other we can kill at a time now. dead is dead it don't matter how in the end.
and the kobali kindly thank you for any and all donations.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
That said, I'm still glad we get to use Kazon ships. I thought the Kazon suffered from some of the worst writing in Star Trek history but I like the Kazon ships. I hope we see more Kazon ship in future lock boxes (hopefully we will since they are replacing the Mirror Universe ships).
Kazon ships are not theirs. Kazon ships are stolen ships. More than that, the creators used the same models before in other species along all the star trek franchise. My point is, the kazon doesnt even have proper uniquer ships. We could say that, we like the kazon re-used models, but those are not kazon ships. They belong to someone else...
ohh yeah knife wounds and blunt force trama are so much safer.
people have had weapons and used them against each other for our entire History. only thing that has changed is the how quickly and how many of each other we can kill at a time now. dead is dead it don't matter how in the end.
and the kobali kindly thank you for any and all donations.
In a universe where you need to understand the chemical reaction of a gunpowder explosion to fire a gun, you need to understand the surprisingly complex physics behind how an edge separates tissue to use a knife.
Hopefully you don't need to understand the even more complicated physics of crushing in order to chew, or this utopia's going to turn distopia really fast.
jeese i been joking around allot in here, but truthfully every person that uses a lockbox ship in this game is exactly the same as the Khazon. its acquired tech that you could not reproduce or come up with on your own.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
jeese i been joking around allot in here, but truthfully every person that uses a lockbox ship in this game is exactly the same as the Khazon. its acquired tech that you could not reproduce or come up with on your own.
You got your logic reversed here. With lockbox purchases, it's Cryptic that does the stealing, really, not us. :P
In a universe where you need to understand the chemical reaction of a gunpowder explosion to fire a gun, you need to understand the surprisingly complex physics behind how an edge separates tissue to use a knife.
Hopefully you don't need to understand the even more complicated physics of crushing in order to chew, or this utopia's going to turn distopia really fast.
then allot of people are going to starve. without the gun powder killing the food ,we have to use one of the other 2 methods, since electric will be out simply because to most it is more complicated than gun powder. so that knife separating tissue or the hammer to the back of the cows ear or stick handle across the neck of a rabbit and chewing as you said will be far to complicated . Also using that same logic nobody should use phones or the internet to google how to eat. unless they understand how the telecommunication systems work. it goes on and on. tech is not our enemy just as the smokeless gun powder with tangents is not. compared to old fashion black powder that has basically 3 components that can mostly be found in a decent cave system .
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
You got your logic reversed here. With lockbox purchases, it's Cryptic that does the stealing, really, not us. :P
got me on that one, now if they would just apply the if we sell it they will buy it logic to the Klignon Empire "18% of the player base" cough cough . would no longer have complaints.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
Their ships, because they were originally stolen were actually quite powerful. those big cruisers they had could give voyager a run for their money.
the problem the kazon had was even though they were warlike they were scattered into different sects. if they pooled their resources together they would be quite formidable in numbers and ruthlessness. its very conceivable they could have could have stolen tech from any number of other worlds, or taken inspiration from data they acquired from voyager or seska.
That's a pretty good point. the Kazon tended to treat technical information like a state secret.
ONE sect was known to have a form of stealth tech, not a full cloak, but something reasonably effective. It seems likely to me that the rest of Kazon science suffered the same way.
But.. on the other hand... When did the Kazon overthrow the Trabe? Part of it could simply be that in voyager's time they hadn't really mastered the sciences yet, and were still struggling to understand what they stole from the Trabe. If they have overcome that weakness....
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Exactly you hardly need to understand how gunpowder works on a chemical level to pull a trigger.
10 KNO3 + 2 C7H4O → 5 K2CO3 + 4 CO2 + 5 CO + 4 H2O + 5 N2
If understanding that was required the world would be a better place.
I guess the universe would be a better place if pushing the big read button labeled FIRE required a degree in quantum mechanics.
And yet, the hyperbole despite, mav75 is right: you can't really use technology which is fundamentally out of your grasp. At least not in the long run. At some point you're gonna have to do maintenance, replicate new parts, etc., and put it back together again, coherently. Or watch the tech slip thru your fingers.
(Makes me wonder - could their be aliens that did not evolve from hunters that would have no idea how to use ranged weapons because their brains simply have never evolved the necessary hand-eye coordination and the ability to predict movements? Or would such creatures never be on a path to sentience?)
But that's assuming the Kazon are inherently dumb. If you took a 6 year old child from the 2nd h century and put it through our modern education system, would it be somehow inherently unable to use computers?
The Kazon were just us, a few centuries ago. Then someone came along, enslaved them, but the Kazon managed to overpower them because their enslavers needed people that could use their tools - which probably including maintaining it - and their tools could be used against them.
The Kazon social development didn't catch up, of course. That is not tied to technological understanding.
The Kazon are basically the example of why the Federation doesn't hand out advanced tech to primitive cultures. You create a society that has tools it can't handle morally or ethically, even if understands their usage just fine. You get self-destruction or pirates and raiders like the Kazon, not trade partners or potential member states...
I don't thnk the Kazon are really dumb, tbh. They're only dumb, socially, as it were, in that they're constantly doing all their silly tribal wars, instead of getting their act together, and getting organized. Mullah (or whatever his name was) was at least as smart as Seska.
The Malon, otoh, really *were* dumb!
That's how they have started getting the tech they need combined with their numbers, steal it
So your saying they need mechanics... not engineers.
Most mechanics I know have very little practical know how when it comes to metallurgy, aerodynamics, weight distribution curves ect ect.
Figuring out how to fix a car is far different then having to figure out how to build a car.
The reason mechanics to-date can still do their work reasonably adequately, despite not being 100% knowledgeable in all areas, is because they can always fall back on the guys who built the car, when it gets really tough, and outside their routine. If a society lacks those fallback folks, then they're in real trouble. Like what if a carburator fails, with none available any more, and you need to build a makeshift one? Then the mechanic will really need to know how cars work, or leave the car broken.
For an answer to your question all you have to do is look to our own oceans.
http://www.wired.com/2011/02/seti-dolphins/
Lawrence Doyles application of information theory to Human language and dolphin communications is interesting.
To sum it up....
If you take a page of human language (any of them) and make a list of all the words used on the page and count the number of them... so say 20 Uses of "the" 10 of "at" 1 of "morphology" ect. If you graph out the numbers it will form in almost all cases almost a perfect 45 Degree slope from the most used words to the least.
If you do the same thing with a recording of dolphin talk... listing the number of times the most common sounds are used... guess what. 45 Degrees.
We are hardly the only intelligent and sentient species on earth. Dolphins get syntax just like we do which is very cool.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060903080122/http://faculty.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/faculty/bjmccowan/Pubs/McCowanetal.JCP.2002.pdf
Then again who knows perhaps the real question is can sentient life that hasn't been forced to create tools to feed itself ever become technological. Its possible the universe is filled with life and the majority of it although sentient never really goes anywhere as its never forced by its environment to develop complex tools at all.
That is a valid point. Your right no supply of replacement parts could be an issue.
Reminds me a bit of our own history though... and the pirates of the late 1600s and early 1700s. There was entire gangs of pirates roaming the seas in those times... and they built small outposts. Often they would take there failing captured ships and capture a new ship... scuttling the old one. Some of the more prolific pirates sailed half a dozen ships...
Just saying. Anyway your point is valid. They would have a hard time maintaining things if they knew nothing. I am not sure they knew nothing though. They also don't really have to to know squat. There morals are not star fleet morals. My guess is if they needed someone with the know how to fix there fleet... they wouldn't simply go and steal the parts... they would also capture the people.
Well, where we "forced" to develop complex tools?
Is it a random mutation that only has a chance to grow in a particular environment?
Is our ability to build tools or throw spears a side effect of our social abilities, or did social abilities evolve because teaching the use of tools to others was an advantage?
There is at least some (even experimental) data suggesting that evolution in the same environment - even if you use different starting points (mutations are random) - can converge to the same results. So maybe the exact whens don't matter.
But is there a particular environment that encourages tool use, and if there are, how common are they?
Dolphins are also social animals... not sure they have ever had to learn how to spear larger fish, they never evolved a hand I guess. lol
Ya interesting thought chimps are also social yet lack the proper appendage to really make anything all that complex as far as tools go.
So perhaps it all does come down to one of our forbears randomly ending up with a mutated thumb. The fact that we went from sentient to sentient+tools could just be a complete random fluke. Perhaps a very small percentage of sentient life ever mutates in away that allows them to manipulate things with fine motor skills.
You actually meet the guy in the campaign.
It is a certain combination of abilities that enabled us. And there are certain compromises it required. Our brains give us our intellectual capabilities, but this comes at a price - it needs a lot of energy. So the brain can't get too big, or we won't find sufficient sustenance for it (intelligence helps gathering food, but only to a point if all you got are sticks and stones).
^^ This here is why I respect you.
And yes, I honestly don't think the Khazon are all that stupid; just grossly disorganized. Now, the Malon, otoh, I can never imagine them even being able to figure out something as simple as an electric toothbrush (and boy, could they use one!). The Khazon just need to give up their raggidy, Nomadic existence, is all. Even the Hirogen eventually understood as much.
and let the federation have a playable talaxian and the rommies a ocampa all 3 rather uselss but atleast be something different and new . then add what ever ships they have for those species in game to that factions stores. even if the toon species is a zen store unlock to help compensate for the lockbox issues on some of the ships.
but most people will overlook the kazon ships in favor of much better pickings out there. like kreen .
this expansion would have really been a good time to make the factions differnt instead of putting us all into the one mission fits all BS ... as a klingon i dont wanna run around and talk to, help feds all the time. i want to go to the delta quadrant and Expand the Klingon Empire.
the Klingon Empire
1. send our lizard Gorn buddies to make peace with the Voth. Voth have issues with Earth and distant orgin not the beta quadrant and Klingons. and we have Bio torps to fight 8472 to offer our new Voth allies.
2. we hit up the vaadwaur or what ever they are called, they already know of the empire and as they said to Belanna they have much in common with Klingons.
3. make the pitiful Kazon cannon fodder in exchange for some tech. no prime directive to haper these actions for the empire.
then let us take on the delta quadrant from different angles. and let the bad guys be the Borg, 8472, and iconians.
the rommies
1. let them sneak into the delta quadrant like the thief's in the nite that they truely are, make patty cake with a few sneaky species there and buddy up with the magical Ocampa.
2. have them make peace with the bounty hunter faction and 50% of the liberated Borg. as their new allies
3. break away from the split faction roll and become a sovereign faction but still working in joint missions with the empire and federation.
Feds
1. just keep giving them everything the other factions have that make them unique and makes new people and even long time players forsake the other factions.
2. buddy up with the talaxians get food poisoning 50% 0f the crew dies. then buddy up with the liberated borg take 50% of them ( the ones the rommies didnt get and make them federation lap dogs.
3. nothing else here they already have the game, missions, content and even pet cats LOL
No they coudnt lol. Kazon needed 3 of those big cruisers to give the Voyager a buu!. Even if those cruisers were far bigger than the Voyager, they were useless xD. Still, i think seeing a T5 khazon ship no matter what ship it is, is a big mistake, but meh, its cryptic what can we expect.
It doesnt matter if the kazon are scavengers. You need more than that, you need intelligence, resources, who cares if they are scavengers if they dont have a clue about developing a warp core?? they cant evolve just picking up stolen pieces.
Based on how the Kazon ships fight on Tribble, if they are as strong in the Holodeck server then I would say it's "a little" difficult to believe they've closed the performance gap with the Federation that much in 30+ years.
That said, I'm still glad we get to use Kazon ships. I thought the Kazon suffered from some of the worst writing in Star Trek history but I like the Kazon ships. I hope we see more Kazon ship in future lock boxes (hopefully we will since they are replacing the Mirror Universe ships).
I also hope we get some Kazon-themed Lobi goodies in the future: Like a universal console that lets you launch a shield-penetrating "shuttle torpedo" like this one:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/kazon-torp.jpg
I'd also like to be able to purchase that Kazon shuttle torpedo as a small craft that I can fly in small craft PVEs and missions.
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
ohh yeah knife wounds and blunt force trama are so much safer.
people have had weapons and used them against each other for our entire History. only thing that has changed is the how quickly and how many of each other we can kill at a time now. dead is dead it don't matter how in the end.
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Kazon ships are not theirs. Kazon ships are stolen ships. More than that, the creators used the same models before in other species along all the star trek franchise. My point is, the kazon doesnt even have proper uniquer ships. We could say that, we like the kazon re-used models, but those are not kazon ships. They belong to someone else...
It's also possible that most Kazon are smart and we just happened to see the dumbest sect on Voyager.
In a universe where you need to understand the chemical reaction of a gunpowder explosion to fire a gun, you need to understand the surprisingly complex physics behind how an edge separates tissue to use a knife.
Hopefully you don't need to understand the even more complicated physics of crushing in order to chew, or this utopia's going to turn distopia really fast.
You got your logic reversed here. With lockbox purchases, it's Cryptic that does the stealing, really, not us. :P
then allot of people are going to starve. without the gun powder killing the food ,we have to use one of the other 2 methods, since electric will be out simply because to most it is more complicated than gun powder. so that knife separating tissue or the hammer to the back of the cows ear or stick handle across the neck of a rabbit and chewing as you said will be far to complicated . Also using that same logic nobody should use phones or the internet to google how to eat. unless they understand how the telecommunication systems work. it goes on and on. tech is not our enemy just as the smokeless gun powder with tangents is not. compared to old fashion black powder that has basically 3 components that can mostly be found in a decent cave system .
got me on that one, now if they would just apply the if we sell it they will buy it logic to the Klignon Empire "18% of the player base" cough cough . would no longer have complaints.
ONE sect was known to have a form of stealth tech, not a full cloak, but something reasonably effective. It seems likely to me that the rest of Kazon science suffered the same way.
But.. on the other hand... When did the Kazon overthrow the Trabe? Part of it could simply be that in voyager's time they hadn't really mastered the sciences yet, and were still struggling to understand what they stole from the Trabe. If they have overcome that weakness.... This is another good point. the sect we saw most was specifically stated to be one of the less powerful ones.
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