bops still got a battlecloak, and norgh an even beter station setup.
but bops to suck, of all the ship types there has been the least power creep for them, so i'm glad the aquarius is really good, and not held back by the lack of creep for bops.
they cant not release a tier 6 bop befor too long i would think, no doubt the very next kdf ship. maybe a hegh ta refit, with a new skin? seems appropriate, due to it being totally left behind at entry level tier 5
Devs! Deeevs! I've a wonderful idea!
You must decrease the Aquarius stats to make them inferior to the Bop ones, but in return give to it an innate battle cloak!
So, I'm so sure about this, we'll be all happy!:D
Deeevs! Deeeeevs!
Nope i wouldn't be happy with BC aquarius. I used to fly mine in hit&run HY/BO/TB combo with transphasic cluster mines on aft.
Every ship should have shortcomings, otherwise we all might as well fly a wells.
Here is another great idea! Now...battle cloak and Risian colors...perfect!:P
You forgot to ask for the sixth tactical console ......:D
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I said underpowered cloak console! And anyway slightly better stats means nothing without an innate battle cloak!
I would have thought you would have worked out how BoPs should be flown by now, you've faced enough.
A BoP only functions in one way - a quick fast strike that makes an F1 car 0 to 60 mph look slow from perfectly happy Fed to Fed thinking "WTF?" looking at the respawn timer, while you GTFO ASAP before dead Fed's friends come after you. (and they will, BoPs make soggy paper look like granite, easy kill if you get them)
At this point, the advantages of an Aquarius make it simply out BoP any BoP - it is faster and better defended, and, with only a basic cloak, you cannot cloak before someone's torp spread or other guaranteed hit attack hits you and takes out because of your shields being down, as you need to wait until Red Alert is clear. (one advantage of MES based vapers, MES keeps your shields up...)
For a BoP, all that matters is that you can cloak.
so...sometime between three and five years from now, after they've got a good 25 to 50 additional Fed ships, and KDF population's dropped to around 5%.
SUUURRREE...
pull the other one, it's got bells on it.
as I said before, Delta Rising's pack wasn't a reaction to the past so much as a statement of intent for the future. KDF gets a farming implement, the Feds get ships, and so do their romulan allies. The patch notes just underscore this-they buffed the bloody Vesta-a ship widely regarded as the top of it's current class (unless you're including the Wells).
They buffed the D'Kyr, a ship one almost never sees, and they rebuilt the Aquarius to fly like a BoP-only better, with more shields and hull, and Flanking.
The statement of intent is clear: in Cryptic studios, it's "StarFleet Online", KDF are just for farming contraband for Fed toons and maybe dilithium.
quality over quantity. the kdf intel cruiser beats the feds in every way, and the kdf are the only ones that got a 5 fore weapon tier 6 ship, that will be fully awesome if only just to spite you. kdf still got access to temporal sci and palisade, vesta is good but not beter then ether.
the aquarius is pretty nice now, but my norgh is still better. battle cloak is everything, that has to give up a console slot for TRIBBLE cloak. the aquarius still doesn't have enough hull to be that great of a stick around escort, thats not enough spike soak to deal with any good BO3 hit.
I would have thought you would have worked out how BoPs should be flown by now, you've faced enough.
A BoP only functions in one way - a quick fast strike that makes an F1 car 0 to 60 mph look slow from perfectly happy Fed to Fed thinking "WTF?" looking at the respawn timer, while you GTFO ASAP before dead Fed's friends come after you. (and they will, BoPs make soggy paper look like granite, easy kill if you get them)
At this point, the advantages of an Aquarius make it simply out BoP any BoP - it is faster and better defended, and, with only a basic cloak, you cannot cloak before someone's torp spread or other guaranteed hit attack hits you and takes out because of your shields being down, as you need to wait until Red Alert is clear. (one advantage of MES based vapers, MES keeps your shields up...)
For a BoP, all that matters is that you can cloak.
For a BoP, all that matters is that you are undetected on decloak and fast enough on your way out, MES won't save you and cloak after will save you even less, see few examples from here(full arena match):
For aquarius it is similar, speed saves you except going by it's stats and how i used to fly it before you can do a bit of high speed circle tanking and make second HY/BO run while still in APA with APO gone.
For a BoP, all that matters is that you are undetected on decloak and fast enough on your way out, MES won't save you and cloak after will save you even less, see few examples from here(full arena match):
For aquarius it is similar, speed saves you except going by it's stats and how i used to fly it before you can do a bit of high speed circle tanking and make second HY/BO run while still in APA with APO gone.
No, you just stack up another speed boost and get further away to safety than you would normally - something an Aquarius is better for with it's higher impulse modifier.
Amusingly, the Aquarius update hasn't even registered on the 2 Fed subforums. Usually ANY change (or in the case of the Galaxy/Gal-X, failure of changes LOL) to Fed ships gets talked about there immediately.
Anyways, even in PVE, the new Aquarius will be like the Breen Raider. You'll see them at first, then everyone realizes how flimsy they are and stop playing them. The Breen Raider, in terms of raw non-cloak stats, is superior in every way to the KDF BOPs. But nobody flies them anymore after time went on since the Winter Event. Most especially when you consider the tactics of many players out there to apply their DPS: Pulling up next to the cube/gate and pound away in a complete standstill.
That doesn't fly with any of the flimsy "Raiders."
As for PVP, the new Aquarius is still too flimsy. The speed & maneuverability, IMO, is not a big deal anymore even in today's STO, even before DR's implementation. The game is faster now. EPTE, A2D, APO, etc. Many ships move so much faster. The Aquarius will suffer worse than the KDF BOPs because it does not have the cloak to offer some protection.
But Cryptic decided to implement this whole "Raider" thing as some sort of lightweight Escort. The non-cloak capable "Raiders" without the cloaks are in effect, just plain 'ol vulnerable Escorts. The turn rate and all is nice in a 1v1 duel I guess, but I think we can all agree here, that's not how STO PVP generally goes It may start like that, but someone else is going to pounce on the non-cloak Escort, and that flimsiness will shine through.
Yes, the Aquarius is technically tougher than the BOPs. But when you consider how flimsy Raiders are in general, how easily they die, the extra strength of the Aquarius and Breen Raider don't amount for squat in PVP. We all know how well BOPs hold up under fire (they don't). But the 1-2k extra points in the Aquarius and such don't matter much. Even after the BOPs got the hullpoints buff a while back, it's still flimsy under fire. Saying the Aquarius and all are "tough" for a Raider isn't saying much.
Curious to see if even people will fly these things in PVP, most esp give up the Console slot for a standard cloak.
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Poor soul didnt have time to log out.
They would but then the devs decided to put a Fed skin on it and call it an Aquarius.
LMAO :P At this point......I can only laugh.
but bops to suck, of all the ship types there has been the least power creep for them, so i'm glad the aquarius is really good, and not held back by the lack of creep for bops.
they cant not release a tier 6 bop befor too long i would think, no doubt the very next kdf ship. maybe a hegh ta refit, with a new skin? seems appropriate, due to it being totally left behind at entry level tier 5
Underpowered? You plainly haven't read its stats, it is better than any BoP at being a BoP.
Nope i wouldn't be happy with BC aquarius. I used to fly mine in hit&run HY/BO/TB combo with transphasic cluster mines on aft.
Every ship should have shortcomings, otherwise we all might as well fly a wells.
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They should give the Aquarius access to the Risian colors...
It's the dawning of the age of Aquarius...age of Aquarius...
You forgot to ask for the sixth tactical console ......:D
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Wells' still better than this latest Cryptic madness.
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I would have thought you would have worked out how BoPs should be flown by now, you've faced enough.
A BoP only functions in one way - a quick fast strike that makes an F1 car 0 to 60 mph look slow from perfectly happy Fed to Fed thinking "WTF?" looking at the respawn timer, while you GTFO ASAP before dead Fed's friends come after you. (and they will, BoPs make soggy paper look like granite, easy kill if you get them)
At this point, the advantages of an Aquarius make it simply out BoP any BoP - it is faster and better defended, and, with only a basic cloak, you cannot cloak before someone's torp spread or other guaranteed hit attack hits you and takes out because of your shields being down, as you need to wait until Red Alert is clear. (one advantage of MES based vapers, MES keeps your shields up...)
For a BoP, all that matters is that you can cloak.
quality over quantity. the kdf intel cruiser beats the feds in every way, and the kdf are the only ones that got a 5 fore weapon tier 6 ship, that will be fully awesome if only just to spite you. kdf still got access to temporal sci and palisade, vesta is good but not beter then ether.
the aquarius is pretty nice now, but my norgh is still better. battle cloak is everything, that has to give up a console slot for TRIBBLE cloak. the aquarius still doesn't have enough hull to be that great of a stick around escort, thats not enough spike soak to deal with any good BO3 hit.
Evul, bow before the mighty Federation!
For a BoP, all that matters is that you are undetected on decloak and fast enough on your way out, MES won't save you and cloak after will save you even less, see few examples from here(full arena match):
http://youtu.be/sKHdEC-2eFg?t=3m13s
For aquarius it is similar, speed saves you except going by it's stats and how i used to fly it before you can do a bit of high speed circle tanking and make second HY/BO run while still in APA with APO gone.
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No, you just stack up another speed boost and get further away to safety than you would normally - something an Aquarius is better for with it's higher impulse modifier.
Anyways, even in PVE, the new Aquarius will be like the Breen Raider. You'll see them at first, then everyone realizes how flimsy they are and stop playing them. The Breen Raider, in terms of raw non-cloak stats, is superior in every way to the KDF BOPs. But nobody flies them anymore after time went on since the Winter Event. Most especially when you consider the tactics of many players out there to apply their DPS: Pulling up next to the cube/gate and pound away in a complete standstill.
That doesn't fly with any of the flimsy "Raiders."
As for PVP, the new Aquarius is still too flimsy. The speed & maneuverability, IMO, is not a big deal anymore even in today's STO, even before DR's implementation. The game is faster now. EPTE, A2D, APO, etc. Many ships move so much faster. The Aquarius will suffer worse than the KDF BOPs because it does not have the cloak to offer some protection.
But Cryptic decided to implement this whole "Raider" thing as some sort of lightweight Escort. The non-cloak capable "Raiders" without the cloaks are in effect, just plain 'ol vulnerable Escorts. The turn rate and all is nice in a 1v1 duel I guess, but I think we can all agree here, that's not how STO PVP generally goes
Yes, the Aquarius is technically tougher than the BOPs. But when you consider how flimsy Raiders are in general, how easily they die, the extra strength of the Aquarius and Breen Raider don't amount for squat in PVP. We all know how well BOPs hold up under fire (they don't). But the 1-2k extra points in the Aquarius and such don't matter much. Even after the BOPs got the hullpoints buff a while back, it's still flimsy under fire. Saying the Aquarius and all are "tough" for a Raider isn't saying much.
Curious to see if even people will fly these things in PVP, most esp give up the Console slot for a standard cloak.