Oh please. If you are going to feel dirty and ashamed about anything it should be about what you got caught doing with that Gorn and the box of tribbles on Nimbus III. :eek:
I told you never to speak of that again.
I'd be watching my digital back from now on, if I were you :cool:
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
More than I planned. I feel a bit foolish getting a lifetime sub this late in the games life when I was around for beta, and I bought the Odyssey pack and don't fly them. Other stuff.
With the exception of a recurring three month sub since December 2010 I've paid nothing into sto. I've recently gone as far cancelling my sub last month for reasons I won't go in to here. But suffice to say if your willing to learn the ins and outs of them game then you really don't to pay real money into the game. Like someone else above me posted the key is using multiple toons. Personally I have seven and they serve me pretty well. I have a stable ec income into eight zeros each month. I've managed to amass several million in dilithium both ore and refined.
None anymore. Haven't had anything I want come out that I can't get with stipend, ec, or dilithium in a long time. Or at least nothing I had to have right then.
I spend very little on this game, apart from the initial price of the game (joined when it became FtP)... and getting the lifetime sub recently when it was on a discount... and buying 1,000 zen ages back to get a couple of vital services.
This game is simply not worth the expenditure of any actual money. In fact, I haven't even played for two months now.
I refused to subsidize their unbridled greed when they first came out with their lockbox scam. I'm certainly not about to do so now.
Star Trek deserves better than this. This game has become farcical. Gene's vision has been perverted almost beyond recognition.
Yeah, not really imo... gameplay and economy things such as lock box ships have little to do with the story, which is what ST is about. And the story of STO, while not perfect, has been steadily improving
I must also point out, Gene's vision was by his own admission, a way to make money - not solely to make a vision of the future. The game does something similar, having to make money to stay afloat (which it has), while presenting a version of the future that could happen after what we've already seen in the ST universe. It's a messy one, but like I said, it's been improving
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Let's please not turn this into another anti-lockbox rant.
I would advise taking the attitude that you're really buying Lobi and anything else worth getting is a bonus. If you're not comfortable dropping $200 to buy Lobi, then you're spending above your comfort level. If you're consistently spending more than double the subscription fee on a monthly basis even when there's nothing new to buy, you might be spending compulsively and need to take a hard look at it.
If you don't want to buy keys, nobody's forcing you to. There's still the C-Store and subs if you want to support STO a different way.
Or, if you don't want to spend money, you can support STO by trading dilithium, playtesting and bug reporting, creating/reviewing Foundry missions, doing a podcast, supporting a fleet, etc. I support STO by being a Moderator for the forums, in addition to spending money from time to time.
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I buy a 10 pack of keys a week usually. I don't have gold or LTS so buying keys and the odd ship or uniform here and there is how I support the devs to make this great game.
Beyond the 1100 days of 6 month subs that I stopped on when vet rewards died? Galaxy X, Oddy 3 pack, every uniform made, and 18 BO's worth. But the last 2 years has been store dry for me. I'm not a Rommie and I like my ship.
Starting to feel like a fool here. Specifically talking about spending real money to buy zen, then spending it on lockbox keys. Spent $200 on zen then poured most of it into opening only Xindi lockboxes. No Xindi Aquatic Dreadnought. Then I spent another $200 a few days later and this time used it ONLY to open Xindi lockboxes. STILL no ship!
So my question to you all is this: is it WORTH it??? I'm probably the reason why STO Gamepedia posts percentages next to the lockbox items. I waged a long and protracted war with the devs about the legal ramifications of taking REAL money from people and not telling us what our chances are of getting a certain items. Perhaps others did too.
The fight began because I was angry at how much I spent back in the day trying to unlock the Voth Bastion Cruiser. Now here I am again. So if I'm a fool spending real money on these guys, please tell me. I'm a big man and can take criticism.
S'okay dude - we all go through the same learning curve. My first few months was $1600.
I now own the games' most expensive Wells. And Mobius.
Had I played it smart - sold off the keys instead of playing lockbox roulette, I'd have had 4x the Wells & Mobius. But I digress...
We learn. For the most part you can get what you want faster and cheaper than my random box openings. Generating EC is fairly simple; selling resource R&D materials is very healthy right now. Getting 2-3X what you would for selling keys.
For the most part I have spent $0 in the past 14 months... I will break that moratorium for the Operations pack and a small countries worth of Zen/Dil.
My advice: Buy with ec instead of gambling. You'll thank yourself later.
S'okay dude - we all go through the same learning curve. My first few months was $1600.
I now own the games' most expensive Wells. And Mobius.
Had I played it smart - sold off the keys instead of playing lockbox roulette, I'd have had 4x the Wells & Mobius. But I digress...
We learn. For the most part you can get what you want faster and cheaper than my random box openings. Generating EC is fairly simple; selling resource R&D materials is very healthy right now. Getting 2-3X what you would for selling keys.
For the most part I have spent $0 in the past 14 months... I will break that moratorium for the Operations pack and a small countries worth of Zen/Dil.
My advice: Buy with ec instead of gambling. You'll thank yourself later.
I totalled up my Zen purchases over the past 2 years... $4060.
As little as possible, but I have been known to get the occasional $25 or $30 purchase, and will again.
I can't see myself laying down anything more in a single purchase... which is ironic, really. I won't buy a $50 or $100 purchase but I will buy several $30 ones over the months...
I totalled up my Zen purchases over the past 2 years... $4060.
That`s not including monthly sub....
I need an intervention me thinks
After breaking a grand I made it a point never to look at my Zen history again unless something was off that needed correcting.
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Spent 50 bucks last month on zen when they had the bonus. Subscribed for maybe 120 days between 2012-2013, enough to get 100 day bonus and free respecs for my alts. Bought the collector's edition real cheap on amazon. Was about to buy the DR pack, then saw today's notes about nerfing STF dil rewards by half.
Now not only will I not be buying the DR pack, I may not be keeping this game on my harddrive. I see the writing on the wall with the EC nerfs, the laughably huge dil sinks and now dil reward nerfs. If they think that will encourage me to spend money they have another thing coming. Things like the DR pack encourage me to spend money. Things like huge dil sinks followed by dil reward nerfs encourage me to uninstall. And I know I'm not the only one.
I see the writing on the wall with the EC nerfs, the laughably huge dil sinks and now dil reward nerfs. If they think that will encourage me to spend money they have another thing coming. Things like the DR pack encourage me to spend money. Things like huge dil sinks followed by dil reward nerfs encourage me to uninstall. And I know I'm not the only one.
+1 here
You may yell at me that I don't count in the metrics since I'm f2p. But I can tell that noone can sell zen for dil if there is not enough dil on exchange.
Oh, another thing just occured to me - current Elite rewards will be unavailable just after Dilithium Rising release, since they are moved to lvl 60 queues.
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I told you never to speak of that again.
I'd be watching my digital back from now on, if I were you :cool:
Bit of an altaholic and I love me some bank/inventory/doff space. Then the lockboxes...
Not sure how I'll do with delta rising and all those ships though, I think I'd only be able to concentrate on 2 this time around instead of 17 alts.
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It's not even a fair shot, I opened 10 and got nothing but a few lobi and some xp boosters.
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riddle me this, if we didnt have lockboxes, would it take weeks, days or months for the game to die?
for lockboxes i say THANK YOU, they keep the game alive
Ship skins
How many T5 ships have next to no options? What if, instead of lovk boxes we just had tons and tons of ways to customize our ships?
I'm not saying it would pull in as much as lockboxes, but I can imagine I'd regret having my Fed ship look like it was made by romulans or klingons.
ship skins? you mean those things they have several of for each T6 ship? ohhhhh yeah those
I must also point out, Gene's vision was by his own admission, a way to make money - not solely to make a vision of the future. The game does something similar, having to make money to stay afloat (which it has), while presenting a version of the future that could happen after what we've already seen in the ST universe. It's a messy one, but like I said, it's been improving
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I would advise taking the attitude that you're really buying Lobi and anything else worth getting is a bonus. If you're not comfortable dropping $200 to buy Lobi, then you're spending above your comfort level. If you're consistently spending more than double the subscription fee on a monthly basis even when there's nothing new to buy, you might be spending compulsively and need to take a hard look at it.
If you don't want to buy keys, nobody's forcing you to. There's still the C-Store and subs if you want to support STO a different way.
Or, if you don't want to spend money, you can support STO by trading dilithium, playtesting and bug reporting, creating/reviewing Foundry missions, doing a podcast, supporting a fleet, etc. I support STO by being a Moderator for the forums, in addition to spending money from time to time.
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One to two years less than with lockboxes. The bigger difference is how much development we would get.
I mine a lot
S'okay dude - we all go through the same learning curve. My first few months was $1600.
I now own the games' most expensive Wells. And Mobius.
Had I played it smart - sold off the keys instead of playing lockbox roulette, I'd have had 4x the Wells & Mobius. But I digress...
We learn. For the most part you can get what you want faster and cheaper than my random box openings. Generating EC is fairly simple; selling resource R&D materials is very healthy right now. Getting 2-3X what you would for selling keys.
For the most part I have spent $0 in the past 14 months... I will break that moratorium for the Operations pack and a small countries worth of Zen/Dil.
My advice: Buy with ec instead of gambling. You'll thank yourself later.
I totalled up my Zen purchases over the past 2 years... $4060.
That`s not including monthly sub....
I need an intervention me thinks
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You can give all your game money tome for safe keeping and I'll give you a small stipend. ~.^
I have 2,500 hours in-game, according to Steam. At roughly $2/hour, I'd say I've got my money's worth.
I can't see myself laying down anything more in a single purchase... which is ironic, really. I won't buy a $50 or $100 purchase but I will buy several $30 ones over the months...
HOLY FU*K!
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I feel better about that lifetime sub now...
Now not only will I not be buying the DR pack, I may not be keeping this game on my harddrive. I see the writing on the wall with the EC nerfs, the laughably huge dil sinks and now dil reward nerfs. If they think that will encourage me to spend money they have another thing coming. Things like the DR pack encourage me to spend money. Things like huge dil sinks followed by dil reward nerfs encourage me to uninstall. And I know I'm not the only one.
+1 here
You may yell at me that I don't count in the metrics since I'm f2p. But I can tell that noone can sell zen for dil if there is not enough dil on exchange.
Oh, another thing just occured to me - current Elite rewards will be unavailable just after Dilithium Rising release, since they are moved to lvl 60 queues.
pwebranflakes: this system is currently in place and working the way it should.
moradum: I got banned for saying "I started my day with cutting off 3 MM off of the bottom of my cabinet"