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1k Day Ship T5-U not T6
brokenmirror2012
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I think the Veteran Ship needs to be T6 not T5-U, When it came out, it already underperformed. Its performance was on par with the T5 Free starter ships. Which was OK at the time.
This was ok because, yes it if preformed at the box ship level, it would be a very extreme version of P2W, (Being $300) However now, I believe it needs to preform at this T6 level, having a Starship Trait, An Additional BOFF, and a Specialist BOFF seat. This is only fair, due to the price of this ship.
Even with this buff, it underperforms against the new ships. The new ships having cloaking devices, and consoles, and (probably)_more health. However, this would make the Vet ship preform enough to warrant how expensive it is.
This was ok because, yes it if preformed at the box ship level, it would be a very extreme version of P2W, (Being $300) However now, I believe it needs to preform at this T6 level, having a Starship Trait, An Additional BOFF, and a Specialist BOFF seat. This is only fair, due to the price of this ship.
Even with this buff, it underperforms against the new ships. The new ships having cloaking devices, and consoles, and (probably)_more health. However, this would make the Vet ship preform enough to warrant how expensive it is.
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I can live with this too, the Chimera was TRIBBLE... I don't like how statistically it lost to the Rommie and KDF Vet ship either.
I'd be happy if they got one or two weapon slots and some console slots.
Hey, if we're going with a new ship at least make it the same class so we can use the old parts we liked... which for me is only the warp nacelles, and I'm probably alone in that.
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That mastery trait and extra BO power won't be semantics when Fleet T6 hits in a couple of months.
Eleven consoles, and six retrofit phaser banks slowly increasing in quality.
May not be the toughest kid on the block, but reckon it'll be fun.
The BO slot may be an issue, but the trait less so potentially.
I noticed the trait from the new pilot specialisation looked quite tasty.
If people are getting access to that, or things like it, by the time T6 hits it'll be far less of an issue.
But the BO slot will be an edge.
I can tell you now that will never happen, it has been said time and again they will not do vet rewards beyond 1000 days.
besides who would pay subs for an extra year and a half to 3 years just to get a T6 ship, plus the way things have changed by that time we could be up to T7 or T8 ships and they will be giving T6 ships away free for event rewards anyway.
in my opinion the vet ships should always be the best ships in the game and should automatically upgrade as tiers rise, sadly my opinion doesn't count for much.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Respectfully, I disagree.
I don't think an LTS or 1000 day veteran should mean you never have to buy another ship ever again.
Cryptic do have the right to dangle ever more enticing shinies in front of us, they need to make money.
However, the vet ships should be competitive.
And, I think they are.
Remember, a fleet vet ship is not unachievable.
Tier two spire and a single module gets you the ten console version, which will be upgradeable for free to eleven consoles come DR.
May not be the best in the game, but I reckon a fleet T5U Chimera will be capable of taking on all DR has to offer.
Tell you in a few weeks if I'm wrong, because that and a bunch of retrofit phaser beams are what my Vulcan Tac is taking into the DQ.
It may not be an accident that the Vet ship is sub optimal. Virtually no LTS flys a vet ship as their main, so it doesn't really hurt lock box sales. I doubt cryptic makes squat on C-store ships compared to all those casino keys for lock boxes.
Crypic does not appear to really want new LTS. They would prefer you just waste . . . I mean gamble . . . I mean spend money to buy lockboxes.
How do you gather this? There is still just as much incentive in purchasing an LTS now, as there was when I bought mine nearly 2 years ago...
If anything, IMO at least, the free T5U upgrade sweetens the deal a little more than the 1k Veteran Destroyer alone did (I found it rather unimpressive personally), as it will give newer LTS players a T6 equivalent, without the need to spend any more money...
I doubt a single ship is why people buy an LTS... The permanent gold membership and associated stipend, along with the playable Liberated Borg, and instant-access to all of the Veteran Rewards, was the appeal for me... The entire package...
I would suspect the whole package is why others would also purchase an LTS, not just to obtain the Veteran Destroyer...
It's also highly unlikely Cryptic do not want the sudden cash injection an LTS provides, especially given an LTS subscriber is then just as likely to make additional micro-transactions as F2P players, if not more so, as they have now invested into STO in the long-term...
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I am confused at the moment. I have an odyssey operations cruiser that i bought. How do i upgrade it to Tier 5-U ? I went to the ship selection at earth space dock and there is no upgrade button like the instructions said...
just because you happen to have the best ship in game doesn't mean you would not want to buy more, everyone wants to have a change once in a while and many ships are specialty items like the dyson pack that was geared up for the dyson sphere event and the DR pack ships that will be geared up to handle the stuff that is to come in DR.
if cryptic want to make the 1000 day and lifetime rewards as tempting as possible to get people to buy a lifetime sub or subscribe long term you would think they would put a tempting enough ship in there and though I don't think they want to just add more and more ships with each tier they might bring out the easy option would be to at least bring the 1000 day ship up to date.
although not the only reason I got lifetime, when I bought lifetime the 1000 day ship was a very tempting item, how tempting will it be now we have T6 ships out there or in the future if they ever bring in T7 & T8 ships maybe even T9 & T10.
but as I said that's just my opinion and that doesn't count for much.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Who would have guessed that cryptic is practically paying us lifers to play the game.
But back@topic:
I don't think cryptic is going to give us a free T6 ship, ever. They're already handing out free upgrades for our free vet ships and that's already pretty generous imho since they were T5 from the beginning and advertised as such and the whole free upgrades are just a nice gesture, which some people should appreciate more.
you cant do that till DR launches on oct 14th.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
people cant seem to realise that everything in game is virtual and costs cryptic nothing to give you, that even applies to the 500zen stipend.
many people myself included would never be bothered to subscribe monthly but are happy to buy a lifetime sub, so every lifetime sold is pure profit for cryptic that they would not have got otherwise.
you could be a lifer for 50 years and it would still cost cryptic nothing to keep supporting you.
having said that I don't think they will give us any more either and that doesn't bother me at all.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Yes, but it's the opportunity for profit that everybody's talking about. With every 500 Zen given out for free, the opportunity to make US$5 is lost. For everything they give to a lifetime sub for free, an equivalent opportunity for profit is lost. It's just as valid to a business as any other expenses or liabilities.
its not lost cos chances are most would not buy the 500zen anyway or anything else for that matter.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Whether or not anybody would have bought it otherwise, it's still a lost opportunity for the company.
tell all that to all the free players out there that never spend a dime, and believe me there are more of them then you realise.
and I didn't say it costs cryptic nothing to keep providing us with entertainment, I said it cost them nothing to give us in game items.
like all those free c-store items they gave away recently, although very generous, it actually cost cryptic nothing to give them away.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
In your specific case yes, I'll concede that Cryptic are making a loss overall at present, but only because your LTS has exceeded the equivalent value of being subscribed monthly...
As for many of the other points, I do disagree as many don't actually have any clear value and do not translate directly into guaranteed revenue...
As a F2P title, I suspect few people are paying a monthly sub and are playing for free, or have invested in an LTS, in which case this may well work in Cryptic's favour...
LTS are undoubtedly a gamble for Cryptic, but I do suspect in most cases they work in Cryptic's favour as many people will not subscribe, especially to a F2P title, long enough for Cryptic to run at a loss on them...
You're overlooking the fact that Smirk and Trendy, for one point, would have likely been on the clock when doing those live feeds...
Even if they were to volunteer their time, Cryptic have constant overheads to meet... Just because something has no physical form does not mean it has no value...
Take BitCoin... It has value, though lacks any physical form because we place value on it...
Though in-game items lack physical form, the service Cryptic provides has value as they incur expenses to provide that service and, as such, it is only fair they charge for us to enjoy that service...
Let me ask you, amongst all of your entitlement posts, have you once acknowledged that not only has Cryptic developed Delta Rising completely free of charge, but have even employed voice actors from Voyager?
It's investment such as that into STO that justifies Cryptic charging for CStore items...