In the past 18 months I've poured money into this game to get the best gear and to catch up to my friends quickly and since then all but one of them has quit.
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I'm frustrated and venting I guess as a life member I'm just plain disappointed and the fun has somewhat been sucked out of the game with fast moving senseless change. It's not that I'm not a fan of change I just wish it would be slowed down because I can't keep up and for that reason I think I will probably opt to give up.
Anyone else feeling the same way?
Ok , I'm seeing 2 complaints merged into 1 .
Your social issue can be addressed by either moving to an active Fleet .
Or creating another toon (if you don't have more then one already) , and joining an active Fleet with that toon .
Your issue with this game being too fast ... well this is just my opinion , but for me this game moves way too slow , as I only see two major content releases per year (sometimes three) , and one of those is always just a systems update with some fluff thrown in there .
Technically, for Tacofangs, his job is to make enviroments for the game... not actually play the game.
Same goes for Bort, only more from a system-design standpoint if memory serves...
While yes, both requires them to run the game now and then, they don't have to do anything other than to to the specific map/system they've designed and test it every now and then.
If they chose to play the game on the side... That's another matter.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
See. These kind of comments always make me assume the poster has zero clue what he/she is talking about.
Where do you need to be compeditive?
PvP? Ask the closest Pro-PvP'er, and he will likely tell you that top level mk XII Very Rare Omega gear... is just wrong...
PvE? CE? You can get first place in the Crystaline entity Elite, merely by using BFAW on Rare beams and spending the rest of the time healing from a galaxy... I know... I've done it.
So tell me again?`What is it that requires money and/or alot of time?
The only thing I can think off is breaking records, and even so that's do-able without being completely as optimal as you can be.
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I no longer do any Bug Hunting work for Cryptic. I may resume if a serious attempt to fix the game is made.
Your issue with this game being too fast ... well this is just my opinion , but for me this game moves way too slow , as I only see two major content releases per year (sometimes three) , and one of those is always just a systems update with some fluff thrown in there .
I've lost count the amount of times I've heard people crying for more challenging content. So Cryptic push the expansion out and people start complaining. When I started playing STO in late 2010 I remember new episodes rolling out I think about once a month.
I've lost count the amount of times I've heard people crying for more challenging content. So Cryptic push the expansion out and people start complaining. When I started playing STO in late 2010 I remember new episodes rolling out I think about once a month.
I just want more content...
New ships? Meh
New Reps? Meh
New RnDs? Meh
CONTENT... MISSIONS... Something other than the same dang maps all the time... Something that branches... something that changes just a little every time you go in
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
CONTENT... MISSIONS... Something other than the same dang maps all the time... Something that branches... something that changes just a little every time you go in
I think you may have misunderstand my meaning. I'm more interested in the new content and from what I'm hearing about the new content coming with DR, then I think its a good thing. Because I'm no doubt like you, feeling burnt out repeating the same predictive maps. These new ones where they have a choice of how things play out, are a move in the right direction concerning game play. Hopefully if they're well received with the remnants of the player base then I hope it paves the way for future improvements to this type of content.
those that treat it like a hobby and use it for recreation and fun.
those who think they're accomplishing something important by grinding out the best stuff as fast as they can.
to the first group it's fun. to the second group it's work. those choices are all on the player, not the game. the game doesn't care if you get to mk 14 in 1 hour or 1 year. only the player cares, and so he turns it into work.
I geuss I am in the first group and here's why.
(1) I am in early retirement due to health reasons so this game is my hobby like the op I get up every morning log in start my doff missions as I get my girls ready for school at most with ten toons it takes me 90 minutes or less to complete. I then take a break due some cleaning work with my youngest girl on getting her ready for k1 next year.
I log back in at night after my kids are in bed reset up doff missions and have fun with my friends either doing fleet stuff or just b.s with them.
Ever since season six I have never been in a rush to get all reps done my main toon gets each new rep done the rest when I feel like it. My last toon just got threw the reps right before they annouced dr. I never rush and buy anything new I sit back and collect info to see if its worth the investment I do not try and keep up with the jones.
When dr comes live it will not have any affect on what I do and when I chose to do it its a simple system I started almost four years ago. Never once have I found myself getting burned out or getting overwhelmed over the new content.
I play this game to have fun no matter if its farming or playing missions with my friends its my hobby never once have I felt like its a job.
Technically, for Tacofangs, his job is to make enviroments for the game... not actually play the game.
Same goes for Bort, only more from a system-design standpoint if memory serves...
While yes, both requires them to run the game now and then, they don't have to do anything other than to to the specific map/system they've designed and test it every now and then.
If they chose to play the game on the side... That's another matter.
I saw Commander Ander running around in the Romulan tutorial the day LoR launched. I tried to hug him but he changed maps too fast.
Technically it could have been another Dr Aeon fanboy pretending to be him, but I will continue to live happily at the blisstopian springs of ignorance and pretend that never happens.
Well this morning my laptop wouldn't patch the game and I find myself asking do I bother to fix it? I've only played the game for 18months but I've been fully engrossed in it and it's brought one of my friends and I closer because all we do is talk about the game; however this morning when the game wouldn't patch I found myself asking do I really care?
In the past 18 months I've poured money into this game to get the best gear and to catch up to my friends quickly and since then all but one of them has quit. I try to validate it by saying I probably would have paid this for playstation games, but the reality is I never would have spent as much as I did on PS3 games. Now that I have myself some awesome gear I find the value of it is being seriously eroded by delta rising.
My day on STO starts at 8am I log on and do my assignments before I go to work and by 9am I am finished. When I arrive home from work around 6:30pm I start all my admin again and if I'm lucky I will have finished by 8:30pm. Recent upgrades to the DOFF system have made the admin take way longer than it once did. As most of my old fleet have now left the game I find myself administering that and earning fleet marks to get projects going. Again I have spent so much time and energy on the fleet and all the gear it offers now is no longer the best gear in the game unless upgraded!
I'm frustrated and venting I guess as a life member I'm just plain disappointed and the fun has somewhat been sucked out of the game with fast moving senseless change. It's not that I'm not a fan of change I just wish it would be slowed down because I can't keep up and for that reason I think I will probably opt to give up.
Anyone else feeling the same way?
...and, that is why I have asked Cryptic to temporarily suspend my account. If Cryptic does manage to wake up, I want to be able to come back to STO.
Macro-transations, timegates, and grinding have killed the casual experience. When I was not pressured into buying stuff, I felt a desire to spend some cash. I was having fun with buying stuff. Once Cryptic poured on the pressure, I began to feel a reluctance to spend money. I do not give into peer-pressure.
*shrugs*
Cryptic should have taken a minimalist approach to the grinding system. 'Legacy of Romulus', 'The 2800', and Omega Office represents the best qualities of this game.
I remember when people were having goofy fun with playing 'Breaking the Planet' and 'Big Dig'.
Players use to congregate on DS9, so they can put together stf teams.
CONTENT... MISSIONS... Something other than the same dang maps all the time... Something that branches... something that changes just a little every time you go in
Then you should enjoy delta rising. There are eleven new missions on tribble right now, and they are releasing more over time too.
Well this morning my laptop wouldn't patch the game and I find myself asking do I bother to fix it? I've only played the game for 18months but I've been fully engrossed in it and it's brought one of my friends and I closer because all we do is talk about the game; however this morning when the game wouldn't patch I found myself asking do I really care?
In the past 18 months I've poured money into this game to get the best gear and to catch up to my friends quickly and since then all but one of them has quit. I try to validate it by saying I probably would have paid this for playstation games, but the reality is I never would have spent as much as I did on PS3 games. Now that I have myself some awesome gear I find the value of it is being seriously eroded by delta rising.
My day on STO starts at 8am I log on and do my assignments before I go to work and by 9am I am finished. When I arrive home from work around 6:30pm I start all my admin again and if I'm lucky I will have finished by 8:30pm. Recent upgrades to the DOFF system have made the admin take way longer than it once did. As most of my old fleet have now left the game I find myself administering that and earning fleet marks to get projects going. Again I have spent so much time and energy on the fleet and all the gear it offers now is no longer the best gear in the game unless upgraded!
I'm frustrated and venting I guess as a life member I'm just plain disappointed and the fun has somewhat been sucked out of the game with fast moving senseless change. It's not that I'm not a fan of change I just wish it would be slowed down because I can't keep up and for that reason I think I will probably opt to give up.
I'm a new player and would not understand the troubles you are going through about the boring and having to regrind for things. What I can say is how I feel about mmos, and content updates.
I enjoy always having a carrot to chase, always having a goal. I feel like a MMO becomes dull, when I have nothing to work for.
I also enjoy story content, and immersion in my games.
If I was you, I would ask myself. If the time invested worth the stuff I get? For a f2p game, that is hard to answer.
You want the company to make money, if they are making money that is good for everyone. So how would you design it so they are making profits, but still fun for people who don't spend money, to feel like they are getting stuff done when they play? It is very hard to balance things like this I would picture anyway. Also, about content coming in too fast, this is also a hard thing to balance. You need content to get more people to want to play, and to keep having a carrot to chase. You want things to progress, if things move too slow, it could hurt profits, and on the other hand if people always having to upgrade stuff, and never feel like the time they spent getting the stuff is just going to get upgraded anyway. It would make people feel bored.
It is a tough call really, all you can ask yourself is the time vs reward worth it, is the new story content coming out excites you and makes you keep wanting to play. Is the future of what you are investing money in to worth it. If the answer is no. That should tell you it is time to take a break.
I'm a new player and would not understand the troubles you are going through about the boring and having to regrind for things. What I can say is how I feel about mmos, and content updates.
I enjoy always having a carrot to chase, always having a goal. I feel like a MMO becomes dull, when I have nothing to work for.
I also enjoy story content, and immersion in my games.
If I was you, I would ask myself. If the time invested worth the stuff I get? For a f2p game, that is hard to answer.
You want the company to make money, if they are making money that is good for everyone. So how would you design it so they are making profits, but still fun for people who don't spend money, to feel like they are getting stuff done when they play? It is very hard to balance things like this I would picture anyway. Also, about content coming in too fast, this is also a hard thing to balance. You need content to get more people to want to play, and to keep having a carrot to chase. You want things to progress, if things move too slow, it could hurt profits, and on the other hand if people always having to upgrade stuff, and never feel like the time they spent getting the stuff is just going to get upgraded anyway. It would make people feel bored.
It is a tough call really, all you can ask yourself is the time vs reward worth it, is the new story content coming out excites you and makes you keep wanting to play. Is the future of what you are investing money in to worth it. If the answer is no. That should tell you it is time to take a break.
I play this game to have fun no matter if its farming or playing missions with my friends its my hobby never once have I felt like its a job.
Now there is a healthy outlook on an MMO!
To the OP, you really need to take a break, don't log in for 2-4 months and then come back and enjoy it once again.
Scrap the Fleet! They are meant to be collection of players, its the only way they will work properly. Just as "no man is an island", no man or two or three is a fleet. Been there done that.
Lots of fleets out there, when you come back find one with people you click with and join them and have fun again.
And for gosh sakes take the game at your own pace! You don't have to keep up with anything, heck I am still exploring stuff from a ways back - I'm here to have fun and relax. to all the folks out there that have been everywhere, done everything and have all the uber-gear, good on you, I am happy for them, but I don't need it to make this game fun for me.
Cryptic has to make money, its the way Capitalism works, do I agree with all the models they are using, ah-no, but then my money is just that, mine! I spend it or don't via my decisions not the game companies or anyone else. Like the one poster said, in Vegas they want you to think/feel you have to spend money on the expensive stuff to enjoy yourself, let me say that again, "they" want you to think/feel that you have to spend for the "good" stuff to have fun.
Hey if you have money to burn and it really makes you think/feel that you enjoy yourself more - go for it. But you do not need to - to have a good time in the game. I have been a Lts since right after the game went live, I will be here when they shut down the servers, God willing.
Take a break, come back and play the game at your pace, you will have fun again.
So you come onto a forum, and you cant be bothered to read 4 very short paragraphs?
Now Im starting to understand why youre always whining about this game. Its not because everything is out of control. Its because youre lazy.
Short you say? Funny.
Also, being silly enough to pretend that I've claimed everything is out of control... Well... Thats not just funny... it's silly...
And yes, I am very lazy, but in general I read threads that have new content... The OP on the other had was just a rewording of something that's been said a hundred times before, and hence not worth putting efford into
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Yeah I clearly have. I think I'm going to call it a day with the game. I'm going to take it as a sign that I should call it quits since it won't patch. What's TL;DR's my Career officer friend
TLDR = "Too Long Didn't Read"
Basically, it's a poster's attempt to sum up a wall of text in a few quick sentences for readers who HATE and skip long rambling posts.:D
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Ok , I'm seeing 2 complaints merged into 1 .
Your social issue can be addressed by either moving to an active Fleet .
Or creating another toon (if you don't have more then one already) , and joining an active Fleet with that toon .
Your issue with this game being too fast ... well this is just my opinion , but for me this game moves way too slow , as I only see two major content releases per year (sometimes three) , and one of those is always just a systems update with some fluff thrown in there .
It's definitely a job for some people.
Just ask tacofangs or borticus.
Technically, for Tacofangs, his job is to make enviroments for the game... not actually play the game.
Same goes for Bort, only more from a system-design standpoint if memory serves...
While yes, both requires them to run the game now and then, they don't have to do anything other than to to the specific map/system they've designed and test it every now and then.
If they chose to play the game on the side... That's another matter.
The only thing I can think off is breaking records, and even so that's do-able without being completely as optimal as you can be.
I've lost count the amount of times I've heard people crying for more challenging content. So Cryptic push the expansion out and people start complaining. When I started playing STO in late 2010 I remember new episodes rolling out I think about once a month.
I just want more content...
New ships? Meh
New Reps? Meh
New RnDs? Meh
CONTENT... MISSIONS... Something other than the same dang maps all the time... Something that branches... something that changes just a little every time you go in
I think you may have misunderstand my meaning. I'm more interested in the new content and from what I'm hearing about the new content coming with DR, then I think its a good thing. Because I'm no doubt like you, feeling burnt out repeating the same predictive maps. These new ones where they have a choice of how things play out, are a move in the right direction concerning game play. Hopefully if they're well received with the remnants of the player base then I hope it paves the way for future improvements to this type of content.
I geuss I am in the first group and here's why.
(1) I am in early retirement due to health reasons so this game is my hobby like the op I get up every morning log in start my doff missions as I get my girls ready for school at most with ten toons it takes me 90 minutes or less to complete. I then take a break due some cleaning work with my youngest girl on getting her ready for k1 next year.
I log back in at night after my kids are in bed reset up doff missions and have fun with my friends either doing fleet stuff or just b.s with them.
Ever since season six I have never been in a rush to get all reps done my main toon gets each new rep done the rest when I feel like it. My last toon just got threw the reps right before they annouced dr. I never rush and buy anything new I sit back and collect info to see if its worth the investment I do not try and keep up with the jones.
When dr comes live it will not have any affect on what I do and when I chose to do it its a simple system I started almost four years ago. Never once have I found myself getting burned out or getting overwhelmed over the new content.
I play this game to have fun no matter if its farming or playing missions with my friends its my hobby never once have I felt like its a job.
So you come onto a forum, and you cant be bothered to read 4 very short paragraphs?
Now Im starting to understand why youre always whining about this game. Its not because everything is out of control. Its because youre lazy.
I saw Commander Ander running around in the Romulan tutorial the day LoR launched. I tried to hug him but he changed maps too fast.
Technically it could have been another Dr Aeon fanboy pretending to be him, but I will continue to live happily at the blisstopian springs of ignorance and pretend that never happens.
Macro-transations, timegates, and grinding have killed the casual experience. When I was not pressured into buying stuff, I felt a desire to spend some cash. I was having fun with buying stuff. Once Cryptic poured on the pressure, I began to feel a reluctance to spend money. I do not give into peer-pressure.
*shrugs*
Cryptic should have taken a minimalist approach to the grinding system. 'Legacy of Romulus', 'The 2800', and Omega Office represents the best qualities of this game.
I remember when people were having goofy fun with playing 'Breaking the Planet' and 'Big Dig'.
Players use to congregate on DS9, so they can put together stf teams.
Bajor was also a hotspot.
Cryptic lost site of everything that mattered.
...and, they don't care.
Then you should enjoy delta rising. There are eleven new missions on tribble right now, and they are releasing more over time too.
I enjoy always having a carrot to chase, always having a goal. I feel like a MMO becomes dull, when I have nothing to work for.
I also enjoy story content, and immersion in my games.
If I was you, I would ask myself. If the time invested worth the stuff I get? For a f2p game, that is hard to answer.
You want the company to make money, if they are making money that is good for everyone. So how would you design it so they are making profits, but still fun for people who don't spend money, to feel like they are getting stuff done when they play? It is very hard to balance things like this I would picture anyway. Also, about content coming in too fast, this is also a hard thing to balance. You need content to get more people to want to play, and to keep having a carrot to chase. You want things to progress, if things move too slow, it could hurt profits, and on the other hand if people always having to upgrade stuff, and never feel like the time they spent getting the stuff is just going to get upgraded anyway. It would make people feel bored.
It is a tough call really, all you can ask yourself is the time vs reward worth it, is the new story content coming out excites you and makes you keep wanting to play. Is the future of what you are investing money in to worth it. If the answer is no. That should tell you it is time to take a break.
Now there is a healthy outlook on an MMO!
To the OP, you really need to take a break, don't log in for 2-4 months and then come back and enjoy it once again.
Scrap the Fleet! They are meant to be collection of players, its the only way they will work properly. Just as "no man is an island", no man or two or three is a fleet. Been there done that.
Lots of fleets out there, when you come back find one with people you click with and join them and have fun again.
And for gosh sakes take the game at your own pace! You don't have to keep up with anything, heck I am still exploring stuff from a ways back - I'm here to have fun and relax. to all the folks out there that have been everywhere, done everything and have all the uber-gear, good on you, I am happy for them, but I don't need it to make this game fun for me.
Cryptic has to make money, its the way Capitalism works, do I agree with all the models they are using, ah-no, but then my money is just that, mine! I spend it or don't via my decisions not the game companies or anyone else. Like the one poster said, in Vegas they want you to think/feel you have to spend money on the expensive stuff to enjoy yourself, let me say that again, "they" want you to think/feel that you have to spend for the "good" stuff to have fun.
Hey if you have money to burn and it really makes you think/feel that you enjoy yourself more - go for it. But you do not need to - to have a good time in the game. I have been a Lts since right after the game went live, I will be here when they shut down the servers, God willing.
Take a break, come back and play the game at your pace, you will have fun again.
Short you say? Funny.
Also, being silly enough to pretend that I've claimed everything is out of control... Well... Thats not just funny... it's silly...
And yes, I am very lazy, but in general I read threads that have new content... The OP on the other had was just a rewording of something that's been said a hundred times before, and hence not worth putting efford into
TLDR = "Too Long Didn't Read"
Basically, it's a poster's attempt to sum up a wall of text in a few quick sentences for readers who HATE and skip long rambling posts.:D
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."