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pauldangerpauldanger Member Posts: 17 Arc User
Hi All

Well this morning my laptop wouldn't patch the game and I find myself asking do I bother to fix it? I've only played the game for 18months but I've been fully engrossed in it and it's brought one of my friends and I closer because all we do is talk about the game; however this morning when the game wouldn't patch I found myself asking do I really care?

In the past 18 months I've poured money into this game to get the best gear and to catch up to my friends quickly and since then all but one of them has quit. I try to validate it by saying I probably would have paid this for playstation games, but the reality is I never would have spent as much as I did on PS3 games. Now that I have myself some awesome gear I find the value of it is being seriously eroded by delta rising.

My day on STO starts at 8am I log on and do my assignments before I go to work and by 9am I am finished. When I arrive home from work around 6:30pm I start all my admin again and if I'm lucky I will have finished by 8:30pm. Recent upgrades to the DOFF system have made the admin take way longer than it once did. As most of my old fleet have now left the game I find myself administering that and earning fleet marks to get projects going. Again I have spent so much time and energy on the fleet and all the gear it offers now is no longer the best gear in the game unless upgraded!

I'm frustrated and venting I guess as a life member I'm just plain disappointed and the fun has somewhat been sucked out of the game with fast moving senseless change. It's not that I'm not a fan of change I just wish it would be slowed down because I can't keep up and for that reason I think I will probably opt to give up.

Anyone else feeling the same way?
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    You need TL;DR's...

    Anywho, I am going to assume your title sums up your post, so: Only if you let it...

    If you LET it be a job, then yes... It is...
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • borisvodikaborisvodika Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    No, its like playing a game.
  • tucana66tucana66 Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    pauldanger wrote: »
    (...) Anyone else feeling the same way?

    There are times where the time invested into this game feels more like work than fun. Then again, I chose to have a handful of toons within STO; making sure they're tended to.... well, that takes time and effort.

    Then again with the marks/dilithium/experience grinds, events, fleet upkeep, etc., the game playing feels more like work. And I work pretty hard within my career, so it's par for the course. In my world, anyways.

    Just wait until Cryptic/PWE comes up with mobile platform APIs -- and starts to make aspects of STO accessible from your mobile device. You'll be farming all day long... ;)

    When new episodes are introduced, I have to say: it feels like more FUN, less work. :)
  • pauldangerpauldanger Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yeah I clearly have. I think I'm going to call it a day with the game. I'm going to take it as a sign that I should call it quits since it won't patch. What's TL;DR's my Career officer friend ;)
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    pauldanger wrote: »
    Yeah I clearly have. I think I'm going to call it a day with the game. I'm going to take it as a sign that I should call it quits since it won't patch. What's TL;DR's my Career officer friend ;)
    I don't know the exact definition, but in practice, tl;dr essentially means 'take this long wall of text and sum it up in a few sentences'
    Was named Trek17.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
  • pauldangerpauldanger Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I could have ragged on a lot longer...Such is my frustration
  • z3ndor99z3ndor99 Member Posts: 1,391 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Shut up and get back to work, that is all.
  • johhannejohhanne Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    TLDR - "too long, didn't read"
  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    johhanne wrote: »
    TLDR - "too long, didn't read"

    I thought it was "trolling lesson, don't repeat". :P
  • pauldangerpauldanger Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    ahhh forums ;) I forget they are mindless.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited September 2014
    pauldanger wrote: »
    Hi All
    Is STO like having another job?

    Yes, however I enjoy my job.

    Oh, but I don't get paid for STO :rolleyes:, dammit.
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  • policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Nah,, STO is a total CASUAL game.. :P (you see the irony?).
  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I mainly only put zen into ships.

    Do it knowing it's an account unlock, and in the past at least there was no loss in value.
    Arguably since future ships will be un-original I kind of don't feel I wasted anything.

    Outside that yeah I have gotten a few items here and there but only like a fraction of what I have earned and I never bought anything expensive like purple damage consoles or lobi weapons.

    When they introduced reputation for example I dropped any character that didn't already have STF drops and never bought dropped dil into it because from my perspective those 30,000 dil items used to be free.


    Fast forward to crafting, upgrading, t5u and it's all exponentially more hilarious in that yeah they invalidate all your previous work but additionally want you to rebuy all your old gear.

    I recommend anyone to play the game the way I have, to as much as you can not care - be truely casual and start thinking in animations-outfits-skins you want to invest in rather than "empty" copy pasted stats that requires zero work from developers.

    Ask yourself how many of their poor decision designs can I successfully ignore and still do what I want to?

    Can I ignore lobis. reputation, crafting, upgrading and still be happy playing the game?

    Let it go.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    johhanne wrote: »
    TLDR - "too long, didn't read"

    Why, it means 'Truly Lamenting Delta Rising', of course :P
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  • borisvodikaborisvodika Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    vestereng wrote: »
    I mainly only put zen into ships.

    Do it knowing it's an account unlock, and in the past at least there was no loss in value.
    Arguably since future ships will be un-original I kind of don't feel I wasted anything.

    Outside that yeah I have gotten a few items here and there but only like a fraction of what I have earned and I never bought anything expensive like purple damage consoles or lobi weapons.

    When they introduced reputation for example I dropped any character that didn't already have STF drops and never bought dropped dil into it because from my perspective those 30,000 dil items used to be free.


    Fast forward to crafting, upgrading, t5u and it's all exponentially more hilarious in that yeah they invalidate all your previous work but additionally want you to rebuy all your old gear.

    I recommend anyone to play the game the way I have, to as much as you can not care - be truely casual and start thinking in animations-outfits-skins you want to invest in rather than "empty" copy pasted stats that requires zero work from developers.

    Ask yourself how many of their poor decision designs can I successfully ignore and still do what I want to?

    Can I ignore lobis. reputation, crafting, upgrading and still be happy playing the game?

    Let it go.

    Whoa..... Dude did mention "8 free ships that were free, for free" or "animations"! Its a miracle.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    pauldanger wrote: »
    Hi All

    Well this morning my laptop wouldn't patch the game and I find myself asking do I bother to fix it? I've only played the game for 18months but I've been fully engrossed in it and it's brought one of my friends and I closer because all we do is talk about the game; however this morning when the game wouldn't patch I found myself asking do I really care?

    In the past 18 months I've poured money into this game to get the best gear and to catch up to my friends quickly and since then all but one of them has quit. I try to validate it by saying I probably would have paid this for playstation games, but the reality is I never would have spent as much as I did on PS3 games. Now that I have myself some awesome gear I find the value of it is being seriously eroded by delta rising.

    My day on STO starts at 8am I log on and do my assignments before I go to work and by 9am I am finished. When I arrive home from work around 6:30pm I start all my admin again and if I'm lucky I will have finished by 8:30pm. Recent upgrades to the DOFF system have made the admin take way longer than it once did. As most of my old fleet have now left the game I find myself administering that and earning fleet marks to get projects going. Again I have spent so much time and energy on the fleet and all the gear it offers now is no longer the best gear in the game unless upgraded!

    I'm frustrated and venting I guess as a life member I'm just plain disappointed and the fun has somewhat been sucked out of the game with fast moving senseless change. It's not that I'm not a fan of change I just wish it would be slowed down because I can't keep up and for that reason I think I will probably opt to give up.

    Anyone else feeling the same way?

    tl;dr, you find the game lame because you played it to death, and now you feel entitled to complain at cryptic because you played it so hard its burned you out.. honestly, your choice what you did including any money you put into. they provided the service as agreed to, like it or not and any money you put into it doesnt imply that you will be treated any differently from anyone else.

    btw "i quit" threads are not allowed and i also think this violates the fct "i demand x, or else".
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  • hyefatherhyefather Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Worse. You make money at a Job not pay the people to let you work.
  • pauldangerpauldanger Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Dude it's hard not to burn yourself out trying to keep up with the rapid change
  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    All games with a cash shop, regardless of genre, are a lot like las Vegas casinos. They have all kinds of great stuff for free or for cheap, but they use every trick they can think of to make you confuse needs and wants, then get you to pay for those wants either with cash or time o both.

    Sto is totally capable of sucking up an infinite amount of time and absolutely frightening amounts of real cash. If you try to do everything it absolutely will sit back and watch you turn it into a job. If you step back and play for fun, and avoid anything that feels frustrating, it will never feel that way.

    It seems to me like you need a break due to burn out. There's not much happening, why not just log in to claim the fee goodies and otherwise hit steam and try something totally different for a month? Don't even log in the first two weeks of delta rising. Let them fix the bugs before you try it. I bet you'll be glad for the break.
  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    You are taking the GAME way to seriously if it is starting to feel like a job.
    Well excuse me for having enormous flaws that I don't work on.
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Is STO like having another job?

    If it is, you're doing it wrong.

    It's a game. If you're not having fun, don't play.
    You're right. The work here is very important.
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  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Any MMO can start to feel like a job sometimes if all you are doing is grinding away. I find that a break sometimes helps. Rather than just pack it in entirely, just leave it for a month or two; then stop by the forums, get caught up on the news, and see if you feel like taking it up again.
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    No, to me it a game I play at leisure and to "escape" from life for a short while. And thats all it is to me. Something to enjoy when I got time to play. Once it becomes a "job", that is when I will quit playing.
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    there's 2 types of people.

    those that treat it like a hobby and use it for recreation and fun.

    those who think they're accomplishing something important by grinding out the best stuff as fast as they can.

    to the first group it's fun. to the second group it's work. those choices are all on the player, not the game. the game doesn't care if you get to mk 14 in 1 hour or 1 year. only the player cares, and so he turns it into work.
  • mvp333mvp333 Member Posts: 509 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    You need TL;DR's...

    Anywho, I am going to assume your title sums up your post, so: Only if you let it...

    If you LET it be a job, then yes... It is...

    Correction: If you care about being reasonably competitive and don't have ~20,000 dollars to blow on ZEN, then yes, yes it is.
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    mvp333 wrote: »
    Correction: If you care about being reasonably competitive and don't have ~20,000 dollars to blow on ZEN, then yes, yes it is.
    competitive with what? with mk 12 gear we can already vaporize borg cubes in under a minute. with mk 13 gear you'll just vaporize them 5 seconds faster. what's the point? who you impressing?
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Only an idiot would play a game like a Job, if it feels like a Job, then it's time to take a break, or don't play it anymore.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    mvp333 wrote: »
    Correction: If you care about being reasonably competitive and don't have ~20,000 dollars to blow on ZEN, then yes, yes it is.

    See. These kind of comments always make me assume the poster has zero clue what he/she is talking about.

    Where do you need to be compeditive?

    PvP? Ask the closest Pro-PvP'er, and he will likely tell you that top level mk XII Very Rare Omega gear... is just wrong...

    PvE? CE? You can get first place in the Crystaline entity Elite, merely by using BFAW on Rare beams and spending the rest of the time healing from a galaxy... I know... I've done it.

    So tell me again?`What is it that requires money and/or alot of time?
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    the trick is for you to steer your game not to let the game steer you, if you find a certain bit fun to do for a while then go do it, if the devs suddenly throw a new rep at you theres no rush, get to it later or don't do it at all if you don't want to, last rep I didn't even bother doing the actual source for the marks but filled it with the summer event bird raising thing.
    if new stuff comes out then sure go and have a looksee, but you don't need to actually do all of it till you are ready to.

    you are the captain, you are in charge, the game is only there to amuse and entertain not to run your life.

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    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

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  • illyrian2008illyrian2008 Member Posts: 271 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Of course it isn't.

    The job pays you, this is a chore where you pay them.
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