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I'd imagine this has already been brought up, but everyone seems to be suggesting ideas in this forum, so I might as well throw in my two cents.
Quite Frankly, the amount of Admirals in Star Trek Online is insane. Granted, I know that the leveling system does not prevent one from keeping their rank pips TRIBBLE Captain, or a lower grade. That being said, all NPCs address you by your rank according to your level which kind of ruins the illusion. Plus the fact that there are about 500 Vice Admirals ruins the distinction of the rank. The fact that the level cap is being pushed up to 60 seems to compound the issue. Are players going to be Full Admirals? Fleet Admirals? Who will call the shots with such a bloated chain of command?
Because of this nit-picky issue, I propose the ranking system should go as follows:
Level 30 - Captain
Level 35 - Captain (II)
Level 40 - Commodore, Fleet Captain, or perhaps Captain (III)
Level 50- Rear Admiral
Level 60 - Rear Admiral (II) or Vice Admiral
Like I said this has probably been brought up before, and I doubt Cryptic will take the time to deal with something so nit-picky. That being said, am I the only one bothered by the hundreds of Admirals roaming around?
Quite Frankly, the amount of Admirals in Star Trek Online is insane. Granted, I know that the leveling system does not prevent one from keeping their rank pips TRIBBLE Captain, or a lower grade. That being said, all NPCs address you by your rank according to your level which kind of ruins the illusion. Plus the fact that there are about 500 Vice Admirals ruins the distinction of the rank. The fact that the level cap is being pushed up to 60 seems to compound the issue. Are players going to be Full Admirals? Fleet Admirals? Who will call the shots with such a bloated chain of command?
Because of this nit-picky issue, I propose the ranking system should go as follows:
Level 30 - Captain
Level 35 - Captain (II)
Level 40 - Commodore, Fleet Captain, or perhaps Captain (III)
Level 50- Rear Admiral
Level 60 - Rear Admiral (II) or Vice Admiral
Like I said this has probably been brought up before, and I doubt Cryptic will take the time to deal with something so nit-picky. That being said, am I the only one bothered by the hundreds of Admirals roaming around?
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And NPC's should address you as whatever rank you have selected for your self on your profile screen.
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Having the I, II, and III rank designation is just lazy and makes no sense. Coming up with unique ranks would be better, but just using the Captain rank would be better than having Captain I, Captain II, and Captain III. Commodore rank has been phased out of Star Trek since the first season of TNG so it doesn't fit Star Trek Online.
The fact still remains that there are other players at Earth Spacedock, in sector space, and in instances who all have the Vice Admiral pips. I understand your point, but even if you are the only hero in the game, your career advancement is pretty ludicrous.
That would probably be the best option.
See my first quote. I think it would make plenty of sense, the various degrees of Captain would only pertain to your level progression, or if you wanted to make it a part of your immersion, it could refer to your tenure as a Captain. As far as the rank of commodore goes, Starfleet doesn't seem to have a problem bringing back Constitution class starships, NX classes, and TOS Era phasers. They don't seem to have a problem with anachronisms, plus Commodore has a distinguished ring to it.
As long you are commanding only one ship, you are just a Captain regardless of how many pips are on your uniform. Captain is the default rank of ship command regardless of actual rank. This true in the real world as well. Considering that people have complained about this from day one and nothing has been done about it and an even higher rank is soon to be introduced, I wouldn't hold my breath looking for any changes on this. If it bothers you just use a captain title or whatever.:rolleyes:
If you knew how anal I was about Star Trek you would buckle under the pressure. :P
I acknowledged they probably wouldn't change it, so I just play pretend.
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It's really an NPC thing. If one could adjust how NPC's address the player, this would all be a moot point.
Starfleet ranks seem to be based on actual ranks. There is no such thing as Captain I, Captain II, or Captain III. STO could have been designed at the beginning so there is only the Captain rank so they could have it based on level, but it is something that is far too late to implement.
Cryptic has a problem with Tier 5 and Tier 6 Constitution class starships and the NX ship. The TOS Phasers are merely flavor weapons and there are far better weapons available. These ships are limited to Tier 1. So anachronisms have a severely limited effect on the game. Commodore having a distinguished ring is only your opinion. It is an outdated rank that no longer exists.
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The problem is this is an MMO with a lot of single player elements. The story is written so you are the only admiral in the world. But that doesnt offer up and explanation for other PLAYERS. Since this is also a themepark game it's a bit harder to make everybody feel like they are their own person. But WoW came close to it by labelling everybody as an "adventurer". Of course you have to ignore the fact that you've done the same quests as everybody else, killed the same boss day after day and week after week. But it's still pretty close...they call everyone adventurers and they even acknowledge that there are more then 1 of you in the WoW universe. There are a handful of cutscenes/trailers that showed a raid group killing a boss. I think there was only one and it was for Magisters Terrace. The cutscene was meant to show Kael Thas defeat in the raid instance which was done by the players. They did this again with the revamped Westfall zone where a cutscene in Deadmines showed events a few years ago where 5 adventurers (actually NPC) killed Van Cleef. But the NPCs are meant to depict an actual party of players, because it has a warrior tank, 3 dps and a priest healer. So even though they are a themepark they still try to acknowledge that every player is an individual adventurer. Even back in the day with PVP ranks, it was so rare to see a Grand Marshall that it still kinda made sense. My vanilla WoW server had 2-3 Grand Marshalls and i think 1 or 2 High Warlords. And it made sense...because in a 40vs40 AV battleground it was 1-2 Grand Marshalls a handful or Knights, Knight Champions and Commanders and a butt ton of sergeants, privates and lowly scrubs.
That's what games like STO and SWTOR keep doing with this 'chosen one' BS. OHHHH YAY!!! i'm the #1 bounty hunter in the galaxy and i even got a title to prove it. And in the mean time i'm sitting on the Fleet or on Drummond Kaas and there are 20 other bounty hunters with the same achievement and title. Yah it's the same thing as STO with it's story only acknowledging you as the hero. But when you start getting into the multiplayer aspect of things you have to ignore it.
I use the I, II, and III and so on as a number to represent tenure, and to provide padding to keep players from jumping to Admiral. Of course nobody would be called Captain II.
Yes I agree, at end game you should really pick any damn ship you want to fly around and have it able to stand toe to toe with a ship of the line. And shame on you for not wanting to be called Commodore, or Fleet Captain. Pike would be disappointed in you.
I totally agree with you. The chosen one TRIBBLE is really disjointing when you are one chosen one amongst thousands of chosen ones. I really Star Wars Galaxies (Pre-NGE) did it right, you were a nobody amongst thousands of nobodies, and that really made your progression more satisfying, plus it made sense lore wise.
You are a Captain with delusions.
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A Captain with delusions of grandeur, but so am I so don't feel bad.
Where did I say that I supported the idea of a Tier 5 or 6 Constitution? A Miranda should never be able to stand toe to toe with a ship of the line. I do believe that their should be other forms of gameplay and the type of ship you use determines your effectiveness in that gameplay. So a T5-U Fleet Defiant would be great at combat, but sucks at Colonial Support while a Tier 1 Constitution would actually do better than the Defiant at Colonial Support.
I'd be in favor of allowing players to pick whatever ship they want and souping it up to a tier 5 ship. Who doesn't want to fly around in a Turbo-Miranda?
Agreed! A player should be able to fly any ship in the game at whatever level they want and for however long they want through upgrading.
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I think this is especially true for ships that were seemingly designed in the late 23rd and early 24th Century. There's no reason why ships like the Excalibur are worthless later in the game.
it's about 3 - 4 ship generations out of date by end of voyager? never mind sto.
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Say everything about this thread ok it may not but come on this is getting old no it got old and it now dead .
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Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
- Divorce the ranks from level progression
- Revise ranks as titles that are unlocked
- Allow players to choose their desired rank
- Have NPCs / UI refer to you by your chosen rank, irrespective of current level
I've always thought that ranks and level should be divorced too. But your rank should only increase at the end of a seasons episode chain. A promotion for all your hard work saving the galaxy one more time
As regards the way you are addressed. If you're in command of a ship, then you're the captain. The only exception to this could be when you're in Starfleet Command/ESD (Fed), New Romulus (Rom) and Quonos (KDF). In those circumstances then you could be addressed by your actual rank as you will be dealing with your superiors while off your ship.
Of course, doing it like that could be a bit confusing for some
No its not!
The Excalibur and Vesper Class starships are products of the 2400s, making them newer and more advanced than the Intrepid Class.
They are also newer and more advanced than the Nova and Sabre classes, which are their Tier 2 Counterparts, yet Excalibur and Vesper remain the only Tier 2 ships without T5 Retrofits.
Cryptic never should have coupled the Connie Refit skin to the Excalibur shell. Then this wouldn't even be an issue.
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Come to think of it, I have to wonder why they didn't couple the Connie Refit skin to the TOS Connie, as they did with the Excelsior/Excelsior Refit!
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