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My view of the Federation T6 ship asthetics.
rustiswordz
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First off I'm not speaking for everyone, these are my opinions and mine alone. I recognize the work and talent that has gone into this game and appreciate the fact that it's the best MMO I've ever played to date. I'm an artist semi-pro so i understand this. I recognize that it's a business and needs to make money to survive. I think the game does very well in that regard and will survive for a long time to come. I say what i say because i love this game and I'm not complaining for the sake of it.
Right, to the meat. I don't like the look of the Federation ships. I'll explain why.
They don't look like Federation ships. They look like the sort of thing the evil bad guys would fly not the heroes of the Federation. The Scryer looks like the baby brother to the Vengeance class. In fact they look like something an alien race would use. My argument is not the fact they may or may not look cool. I think they are nicely designed but they are not hero ships. Now if an evil alien faction were to fly them that's something else. The Eclipse Intel cruiser. That really looks alien/ non-federation. With its flattened razor thin profile and those arms. Warp engines are they? Do they fold out X-Wing style when you fly at warp? Looks as if they do. Poor ship, it will never be known as the eclipse but as the 'spanner'. Looks like a tool that Miles o'Brien or Geordi la Forge would reach for to fasten a stem bolt. Funnily enough the Eclipse would look cooler if it flew the other way with the arms pointing forwards.
The Guardian cruiser is the only one that looks like something the Federation would use. However it looks like a more heavily armoured up Galaxy class. Put in because of the calls for a better spec Galaxy X so this is what we get perhaps? Looks nice out of all the Fed ships that's the way I'll go with my pennies/ zen.
Now I do like the looks of the Romulan and KDF ships, they are nice and I'll probably get those first before the Fed ships. I will be spending money on this release. It's just my Fed toons will have to wait this time before i give them any love.
PS: I did read somewhere that there is a story reason the Fed ships look the way they do in DR. Now seeing the Scryer looks a lot like a compact Vengeance plus the aggressive lines of the Fed selection suggests to me that these ships do indeed belong to Section 31 or some covert Federation organization not necessarily with our best interests at heart. Section 31 built the Vengeance in the JJ-verse perhaps Section 31 built these in the Prime universe /STO-era for the same reasons.
I leave this open to you...
Right, to the meat. I don't like the look of the Federation ships. I'll explain why.
They don't look like Federation ships. They look like the sort of thing the evil bad guys would fly not the heroes of the Federation. The Scryer looks like the baby brother to the Vengeance class. In fact they look like something an alien race would use. My argument is not the fact they may or may not look cool. I think they are nicely designed but they are not hero ships. Now if an evil alien faction were to fly them that's something else. The Eclipse Intel cruiser. That really looks alien/ non-federation. With its flattened razor thin profile and those arms. Warp engines are they? Do they fold out X-Wing style when you fly at warp? Looks as if they do. Poor ship, it will never be known as the eclipse but as the 'spanner'. Looks like a tool that Miles o'Brien or Geordi la Forge would reach for to fasten a stem bolt. Funnily enough the Eclipse would look cooler if it flew the other way with the arms pointing forwards.
The Guardian cruiser is the only one that looks like something the Federation would use. However it looks like a more heavily armoured up Galaxy class. Put in because of the calls for a better spec Galaxy X so this is what we get perhaps? Looks nice out of all the Fed ships that's the way I'll go with my pennies/ zen.
Now I do like the looks of the Romulan and KDF ships, they are nice and I'll probably get those first before the Fed ships. I will be spending money on this release. It's just my Fed toons will have to wait this time before i give them any love.
PS: I did read somewhere that there is a story reason the Fed ships look the way they do in DR. Now seeing the Scryer looks a lot like a compact Vengeance plus the aggressive lines of the Fed selection suggests to me that these ships do indeed belong to Section 31 or some covert Federation organization not necessarily with our best interests at heart. Section 31 built the Vengeance in the JJ-verse perhaps Section 31 built these in the Prime universe /STO-era for the same reasons.
I leave this open to you...
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I mean, it's a coalition for many different races with many different design aesthetics, i think its time to incorporate them into the way ships are designed rather than basing everything off the designs that humans made.
Edit: and also, these ships were made by starfleet intelligence, nto section 31. so obviously they would want osmething that looks less... starfleety, so that it wouldn't give them away instantly.
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I mean, they're not beautiful, certainly, but they're not unrecognizable as Fed ships. They're a rather unique spin on traditional Federation designs, hardly any more outside the box than the Defiant was for its time.
I think a lot of it is people being on edge over the upgrade thing, afraid their favorites are going to be rendered useless, and resisting the new stuff as a knee-jerk reaction. I doubt these will ever be called "iconic" or even "great" but I feel peoples' opinions on them will soften with time.
Now the Dyson ships. Those are ugly and unrecognizable.
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STO is set in 2409 so the devs had to go here eventually. I hated the Perpetual Entertainment ship designs also which were supposedly futuristic federation designs. Looks like generic space ships with a splash of trek on them. No thanks, I will just ignore them and not waste my time or money.
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Ha! I thought that same thing.
Yeah, we do. It's right there on the top scroll bar:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/game-pack/detail/718-delta-rising-operations-pack
The concept art image, and the sketches down the side of it, seem to show quite different ships (the deflector in particular; right out at the end of the hull in the big picture, sunk into the curve of the hull in the little ones). It's probably the sketch version that we will see, that's how it worked for the Valdor anyway, but we can't say for certain until we see in game images.
Cryptic is taking a gamble on making non-Trek looking ships. Not sure why since they don't strike me as a gamble taking bunch of people.
Personally, the Fed ships look like they are from a low budget Syfy Channel 'movie of the week' where their biggest issue was to not copy someone's big IP look and get sued to death.
Most players want to fly a Trek ship and these aren't Trek. I assume Cryptic is hoping their OP-ness will get people to fly them in spite of their looks.
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Quite possibly. I think that is just the angle on the large art. The ship is tilted sideways and upward. I could be different from any or all of the concept pieces, you are definitely right about that.
It could an Aegis-like Stealth Set that gives the ships those lines and color schemes.
Leave it to the shady intel guys to design abominations like the four-nacelled flat thing.
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The Phantom is flat, round and boring. I can't imagine an interesting angle on that.
The Scryer is kind of interesting. Has a somewhat exotic look to it which other science ships exhibit.
Anyway, Cryptic must hate profiles on Fed ships. The flatter the better. Every ship will look like a flounder in the future. Yawn. Somebody bring back some shape, fer cryin' out loud, and scale, for that matter. Half these Cryptic ships, you can't tell if they're fighters or cruisers.
Design has just gone straight to hell.
the 1st ship the escort, looks like a saucer mated to a defiant rear, also as if the developers on this ship decided to use that defiant skin and just size it up a bit and paint it without really trying something new.
the 2nd one looks like a squid.
the 3rd one looks like it came out of space empires.
the guardian nacelle configuration is fugly according to the concept art.
the fed 1k vet ship looks ugly as well especially the engineering and sensors section.
the galaxy class alternative skins are fugly.
the dyson destroyers look hideous...
the assault cruiser imperial skin is fugly.
you got so many ugly designs on ships its been consistent. one time i would like to see an elegant design, smooth curves and lines that makes it look good, thats what most federation ships have in common, nothing sharp, out of proportion or whatever else that has so far invaded the game.
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the Scryer looks like an offshoot of the Luna class
The hate comes from the fact that if you want a T6 ship, besides the Guardian, youll be shoehorned into these things. Your only other option is to upgrade your ship.
If Cryptic wants to introduce some new different designs into Star Trek. Thats fine. But dont present them as the only options you have for moving up to the next tier. Because they then take on the image of being Line Ships that represent the Feds and Starfleet as a whole.
I had the same thought. Like someone new to graphical design got the job to make them and went simple because that's what they were comfortable with.
Instead of having a dozen+ ships to choose from we'll have 5; or 1 depending on what type of ship you like to fly (cruiser, escort, etc.)
Yes, because Cryptic are NEVER going to release another T6 ship after these one. ever.
But seriously, if you don't want them, that's what T5-U is for. I really don't understand why everyone has such a problem with that idea. Even if, for some reason, T5-U is unacceptable to you, they will undoubtedly make more T6 ships later to appeal the the 'It's only trek is it looks EXACTLY like something we've seen in the show' crowd.
Hell, they've even said already that not every future T6 ship will have Intel officer slots, so just accept that Section 31 have made a fleet of super stealth ships for the federation and don't ask too many questions about where they got the tech in the first place.
That is beyond the fact and you know it.
Theres no telling when the next T6 ship will drop. It can be a month or 6 months. What we do know is as of Oct 14th We will have limited options into T6.
So keep on looking for those angles to circumvent the point of what people are saying. Keep pretending as if theres some truth out there people are ignoring...
But hey, I plan to upgrade my Armitage when I get the chance and stick with that...so what do I know?
It isn't beyond the fact at all. Just because the truth isn't what you want it to be, doesn't mean it's false.
If you don't like what's on offer, wait until something comes along that you do like. T5-U is a perfectly reasonable alternative to T6. That's exactly the point of it! You are not FORCED to buy T6 if you don't want it, you just upgrade your existing ship.
If you refuse to see that, then i doubt you would be happy even if they literally just slapped a defiant skin over the Phantom, or the Prometheus over the Eclipse. They could just up and make the Galaxy itself a T6, you'd STILL find a way to complain about it...