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Will T6 be the new competition?

dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited August 2014 in PvP Gameplay
Now that I think about it. It could be too soon to tell as we don't know what the 13th ability is, what the starship trait does or how valuable the "mixed specialist" could be...

I think the current stars of pvp will still make due and the real pvpers will either leave or just upgrade....

But what do you think?
Chive on and prosper, eh?

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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    fleet/lockbox T6, with all the rep passives and the trait, and the extra BOFF station, will definitely be the new baseline
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  • alejogalejog Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    So much for T-5 ships not being obsolete.

    As usual cryptic misrepresented the facts completely.

    With an extra Boff power and whathever the intelligence officer does a T6 ship will become the new standard making any other ships irrelevant. You can still use yout T5U ships but will be at a severe disadvantage and as we all know in pvp any "small" difference increases exponencially.


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    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]-32nd Vipers- PvP Team

    Nothing is impossible to him who would try.... except getting cryptic to care about pvp.
  • heckgoblinheckgoblin Member Posts: 685
    edited August 2014
    "I don't know anything, but I'll whine about it pre-emptively anyway! Down with all new things! Let us remain in a stagnant status-quo forever!"
    I AM WAR.
  • tk79tk79 Member Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Who knows. A T5U with 11 consoles might be better than a T6 with 10 consoles. It's extra room for a new OP console after all, and there's never enough room for OP consoles.

    I also wonder about final shield and hull mods between fully upgraded T5Us and T6s. Devs have hinted that T5Us will be better in that regard, but I don't really believe that.
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  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    fleet/lockbox T6, with all the rep passives and the trait, and the extra BOFF station, will definitely be the new baseline

    most likely i bet. + that there possibly won't be upgrades to that level for quite some time for older ships (t5-u's and their fleet versions), if ever at all.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wast33 wrote: »
    most likely i bet. + that there possibly won't be upgrades to that level for quite some time for older ships (t5-u's and their fleet versions), if ever at all.
    T5-FU is terminus for your T5 ships. They wont even be fully competitive with base T6 (missing the extra BOFF ability and the new BOFF class). Add a fleet module to your T6 and the 11th console with the 10% buffs to hull/shields, it will be no-compete.

    Cryptic makes way too much $$ from zen->dil for fleet holdings to let that end. Fleet T6 upgrades are definitely coming. And any money you spent on T5-FU will have been for nothing.
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  • bones1970bones1970 Member Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    beameddown wrote: »
    yes, t6 will become the new baseline

    I think cryptic let us upgrade our ship and next month comes with a tier 6 scimitar-like ship we all need then month later tier 6 bug-like and we spend again and again...
    Cryptic game model, GRIND, GRIND, pay, pay and then nerv all the new goodies...
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  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    t6 ships will have less hull and -1 console. Not all t6 ships will even have the extra boff. So, fleet t5u and lockbox t5u will be the best.
  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,412 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2014
    At least until they start releasing Tier 6 Fleet Ships, and the first Tier 6 Lockbox ships- which we all know are coming.
  • mrgrocer56mrgrocer56 Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Does anyone really think there will not be a tier 6 11 console ship of some kind for sale when DR launches? Lockbox/lobi or c-store, it will be there.

    Edited for speeling
  • jjdezjjdez Member Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    illcadia wrote: »
    At least until they start releasing Tier 6 Fleet Ships, and the first Tier 6 Lockbox ships- which we all know are coming.

    I'm not so sure about T6 lockbox ships yet. If they do that the rate at which people open all previous lockboxes will drop sharply. Who knows though, they (cryptic) are going to continue creating more questions with the few answers they provide until it's all dropped on us come release day. Until then, stand by for more RP-wannabee dev posts filled with "REDACTED" covering up anything worthwhile, and everything else being a repeat of what we already know.
  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    jjdez wrote: »
    I'm not so sure about T6 lockbox ships yet. If they do that the rate at which people open all previous lockboxes will drop sharply. Who knows though, they (cryptic) are going to continue creating more questions with the few answers they provide until it's all dropped on us come release day. Until then, stand by for more RP-wannabee dev posts filled with "REDACTED" covering up anything worthwhile, and everything else being a repeat of what we already know.

    That's a good point. We'll all have to see how it goes. The last bug ship promo said the bug will get a free upgrade to t6 and not this t5u thing so lets see how it goes.
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  • jjdezjjdez Member Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Yes. I do.

    Guys. Listen to yourselves. You are raging over amounts of money that none of you would hesitate to spend for some luxury food or a cinema ticket.

    You're all older than 14, aren't you?

    Do they come find you in the restaurant or theater later on and ask you to pay another fee on top of what you already agreed to pay?
  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,412 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2014
    jjdez wrote: »
    I'm not so sure about T6 lockbox ships yet. If they do that the rate at which people open all previous lockboxes will drop sharply. Who knows though, they (cryptic) are going to continue creating more questions with the few answers they provide until it's all dropped on us come release day. Until then, stand by for more RP-wannabee dev posts filled with "REDACTED" covering up anything worthwhile, and everything else being a repeat of what we already know.

    Oh certainly, the smart thing to do would be to NEVER release tier six ships in lockboxes or at the lobi store. Well, maybe tier six shuttles or something like that.

    But Cryptic has shown themselves imminently capable and willing to do the dumb thing nine times out of ten.
  • mrbucbuckmrbucbuck Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    heckgoblin wrote: »
    "I don't know anything, but I'll whine about it pre-emptively anyway! Down with all new things! Let us remain in a stagnant status-quo forever!"

    Especially on the KDF side....
  • mrbucbuckmrbucbuck Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    jjdez wrote: »
    Do they come find you in the restaurant or theater later on and ask you to pay another fee on top of what you already agreed to pay?

    Money, money money.
  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    rmy1081 wrote: »
    That's a good point. We'll all have to see how it goes. The last bug ship promo said the bug will get a free upgrade to t6 and not this t5u thing so lets see how it goes.

    hmm... blog tells about "lobi-/lockbox-/event-ships: upgraded for free" and bug is like the first ship on that list. so i assume it gonna be t5-fu (thx ursus lol) only ^^.
  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wast33 wrote: »
    hmm... blog tells about "lobi-/lockbox-/event-ships: upgraded for free" and bug is like the first ship on that list. so i assume it gonna be t5-fu (thx ursus lol) only ^^.

    I was talking about the promo blog where they added it will be upgraded to t6. We'll have to wait and see what they do. The bug ship has been cryptic's baby for years now.
  • chrisbrown12009chrisbrown12009 Member Posts: 790 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Can someone link the part where they say T6 ship will only have 10 console slots? that does some right at all. That single 11th console on T5U could be a game changer in some pvp depending on the universal console used or even the placement of the 11th console.... 6th tac/eng/sci slot? the DD with 4 tac slots? the scimmie with 3 eng slots, or four sci slots, or SIX tack slots? this would make T5U very close to T6 unless the new T6 powers are the nutz...

    I think we need more info.
  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    chrisbrown12009 wrote: »
    Can someone link the part where they say T6 ship will only have 10 console slots? that does some right at all. That single 11th console on T5U could be a game changer in some pvp depending on the universal console used or even the placement of the 11th console.... 6th tac/eng/sci slot? the DD with 4 tac slots? the scimmie with 3 eng slots, or four sci slots, or SIX tack slots? this would make T5U very close to T6 unless the new T6 powers are the nutz...

    I think we need more info.

    In this post,
    gorngonzolla wrote: »
    The thought crossed our minds. However, we'd like to keep Fleet Modules specific to purchasing fleet ships and whatever we do for T5-Us to be entirely seperate.



    Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships. Existing lockbox ships lack the 13th bridge officer power once they're upgraded and they don't have a Starship Trait, but they generally have superior hull and shield mods. Additionally a T5-U upgraded lockbox/lobi ship will have 11 console slots vs. a standard T6 ship's 10 console slots.



    Good question. Here's the breakdown on Fleet ships. Right now, Fleet Ships offer +1 console slot, +10% Hull HP and +10% Shield HP over a standard T5 ship. If you were to upgrade a Fleet Ship to T5-U, it would gain all the benefits mentioned:

    -Bonus scaling HP
    -Starship Mastery passive abilities
    -+1 Console Slot

    The short answer to your question is no. They will have 10% better shield and hull than the non-fleet T5-U variant and have +1 console slot.



    I think you'll find this statement to not be true once Delta Rising goes live. A T5-U Lockbox/Lobi ships is still an incredibly powerful ship even compared to a T6 ship. Also, your first two points are the same thing. The 5th Starship Mastery level is just unlocking the starship trait.

    I hope to be able to answer more questions later today.

    Thanks,
    Phil "Gorngonzolla" Zeleski
    Cryptic Studios
    Systems Designer

    In this thread,
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=18831241#post18831241
  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    rmy1081 wrote: »
    I was talking about the promo blog where they added it will be upgraded to t6. We'll have to wait and see what they do. The bug ship has been cryptic's baby for years now.

    found it: "With the release of Star Trek Online: Delta Rising, this starship (either from this run of the promotion or from previous runs) will be upgradeable to Tier 6 starship capabilities at no cost."

    infact they're not saying directly it's gonna be t6, they talk about t6 capabalities. and, as the former bug has been a t5.5 ship, after reading the new blog one may could conclude that they mean t5-fu when they talk about t6 capabilities.
    but may ur right and it will be full t6.

    edit:
    there ya go:
    "ship upgrading process, last paragragh:"
    It should be noted that some ships will be free to upgrade.
    This includes things like many event reputation ships (like the Breen and Risian ships), all lockbox ships, all lobi store ships, and duty officer promotion ships like the Jem’Hadar Attack Ship and Voth Bulwark Dreadnought Cruiser.

    it won't be t6.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Way I see it:

    My T5.5 fleet ships were paid for many times over, by (1) buying c-store ships, (2) buying dil to feed fleet starbases projects, (3) buying c-store upgrade modules. Same effort went into equipping them.

    Cryptic has totally obsoleted my T5.5 ships without remorse or consideration. This is especially true for PVP, but its also true for end-game content in general. [Supposedly be able to run the content with stock T5 ships. So why would anybody buy T6? I do not believe cryptic's claims anymore, they lie about everything, and even if it is true at launch, cryptic will eventually break that promise without remorse too].

    Cryptic is offering to sell new T6 ships that I can build up all over again. Cryptic is also offering a limited upgrade to my existing ships that will get a bit more performance from them but that is dead-end upgrade and a waste of money. Continuing to develop my toons in this game means I must take one of these two paths.

    IMO its nothing more than a shakedown, an extortion. Nice little ship you got there, shame if something should happen to it.
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  • fonz71fonz71 Member Posts: 346 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mrgrocer56 wrote: »
    Edited for speeling

    ^this made me laugh out loud! :D don't know if it was on purpose or not, and not making fun. i know lots of people here has english for 2\3\4\th language. seriously though, that is funny ^^

    P.S. oh and my ships are obsolete!! QQQQQQQQQQQQQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Don't know why it says i'm an ARC user. i will never use that TRIBBLE Cryptic!
  • mrgrocer56mrgrocer56 Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    fonz71 wrote: »
    ^this made me laugh out loud! :D don't know if it was on purpose or not, and not making fun. i know lots of people here has english for 2\3\4\th language. seriously though, that is funny ^^

    P.S. oh and my ships are obsolete!! QQQQQQQQQQQQQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Definitely on purpose :) glad you got a laugh.
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