Cryptic is not this generous or benevolent. This expansion is a moneygrab, meaning they're aiming to get you to repurchase the same ships you bought because you liked them. But even then they're only going to be "competitive" in the same way mirror ships are to current top tier ships... if you want to fly the best ships, you're going to have to fork over the cash for their new fugly low-poly designs.
You may be new to STO, but as someone who's been here a while, players are going to get the scew as they have been since PWE bought Cryptic.
Nothing in Delta Rising will be free. I'm sure your gonna be able to upgrade your ship and its gonna be all that and bowl of grits. Not for the purpose of making your lovable ship equal in power to the new Teir 6 ships but, to entice you to spend zen/dil. Cryptic knows we love the ships we've leveled up with, destroyed the borg with, journeyed to the delta quadrant with. They want us to keep using them. However at a price. Most ppl would rather pay to keep their old ship and make it more powerful than buy something new. Cryptics betting on it.
I don't have to go to delta adventure zone and I don't want to fly an unofficial fake star trek ship.
One thing I will say about the fake un-licensed ships, they no longer have an excuse for not allowing actual ship customization.
But yeah unless they plan on blocking eSTF it's business as usual for me.
Especially if leveling is anything like crafting time gated behind 300 days no thank you.
I have 1 ship per 1 character and that's how I like it, that's how it's staying.
Maybe if they did like a super carrier that could launch little connies I'd think about it.
Anyway, T6 ships gameplay they compared to sub classes in rpg's.
I certainly imagine the flat stats to be better, shield, turn mod, number of front weapons etc. but I think those ships will come with special t6 abilities that work as supplement to existing ones, I picture team buffs like we saw added to cruisers.
What about skill tree window, what about boff abilities?
They ready to throw in 7 new skills for space, 2 for ground and new boff abilities for every career?
WHILE keeping t5 competitive"?
Can old boffs use those or they forcing you to buy special boffs from lockboxes @ 1200 lobi ?
Or will the incentive be romulan operative-like overpowered traits?
Same problem as with ships, people like their old gear, are attached to the items they have.
Might be the echo of the crafting revamp talking but I see a lot of things that can go wrong, I do however think they will have more luck or goodwill with carrot rather than stick.
As someone who is immature, spiteful, bitter, pitiful and resentful, all I can say they try to play little games a la crafting system with any of my gear or characters, I am going to react badly.
Nothing in Delta Rising will be free. I'm sure your gonna be able to upgrade your ship and its gonna be all that and bowl of grits. Not for the purpose of making your lovable ship equal in power to the new Teir 6 ships but, to entice you to spend zen/dil. Cryptic knows we love the ships we've leveled up with, destroyed the borg with, journeyed to the delta quadrant with. They want us to keep using them. However at a price. Most ppl would rather pay to keep their old ship and make it more powerful than buy something new. Cryptics betting on it.
Good post and I suspect you are right. What if 80% of the player base just don't want those new ships and say they want to upgrade their existing one for free (or using dil, EC, etc). Cryptic will make no money.
This way, they make money in some way no matter what.
Its a win, win. Although I suspect some players will be very stung at another form of ship purchase.
I don't think that word means what you think it means. Also, every ship in STO is 'official'.
Replace 'fake' with 'Cryptic-designed' ships then. Lots of folks don't like the idea that T6 won't include ships from the shows or movies, and will only include Cryptic-designed ships.
We don't know whether or not the iconic ships will have Tier 6 versions or not yet. I do agree with the concern about it though. If I can't have a full Tier 6 version of my iconic ship then I won't be buying any Tier 6 ships, no matter what they can do.
From what I understand, T5/Fleet and lower ships can be upgraded to be competitive with T6 ships, but which ships will be eligible for upgrading is unclear, and the upgraded ships will not be T6, and we don't know what exactly competitive is going to mean in regards to T6 yet.
From the murmurings I've heard.. T6 will just be a flat stat upgrade(like the difference between fleet and non-fleet), 10 'slots', and maybe a morale bridge officer seat(that manages crew in some way).
Furthermore, it sounds like things might be a lot less organized and fleshed out than we were lead to believe at STLV - hence the lack of concrete news/information. Expect less than what was promi-.. stated.
From what I understand, T5/Fleet and lower ships can be upgraded to be competitive with T6 ships, but which ships will be eligible for upgrading is unclear, and the upgraded ships will not be T6, and we don't know what exactly competitive is going to mean in regards to T6 yet.
But no T6 'canon' ships.
Of all the misinformation out there, the allegation that upgraded ships will still be inferior to new T6 ships is the most infuriating.
As I have said several times, the T6 ships would only be different, not superior to upgraded ships. "Competitive" is such a vague word, but I would still think that upgraded ships would still be on par in power to the T6 ships. As I have heard it, the plan was to release more Dyson-ified versions of current ship designs (like the way the SDSD is Dyson-ified Intrepid class).
In short, T5 ships like the Wells, HD Bug, Oddy, etc. may still look like the way they are now but when converted to T6 they would have buffed stats and maybe, just maybe, some internal improvements like additional console slots. Possibly even some Dysonifications to the skin as well. But no, the T6 ships aren't going to shoot Gundams as torpedoes and fire Death Star beams. That's just something someone is pulling out of their aft port to make people want to spend real money on T6 ships.
We don't know whether or not the iconic ships will have Tier 6 versions or not yet. I do agree with the concern about it though. If I can't have a full Tier 6 version of my iconic ship then I won't be buying any Tier 6 ships, no matter what they can do.
Unless the new T6 ships blow me away - and in that sense, they are designed with visuals that actually look Federation - I imagine I'll be the same if there is no option to upgrade a Fleet Advanced Escort.
However, I'm 99.9% confident I'll be able to upgrade.
Let's get someone on the ball to /report this so Blue or Skray can swoop in and lock it down!
Lock it down? Why? Because it brings up stuff that you (and Cryptic) don't want people to hear?
This is the General Discussion thread. We are having a General Discussion. This thread is within the parameters.
As someone had mentioned further up in the thread, Cryptic is really bungling this rollout badly by not giving veterans much clue as to what the expansion will look like and how it relates to them. Sure, there's the talk of the lucky Bug Ship owners getting a free upgrade, but that's mainly hype to make the suckers dump even more real money for Zen to pop one DOFF box after another during the sale.
I don't care what "powers and abilities" the new T6 ships have. If they do not make a T6 version of the ships I like and fly daily, Defiant, BoP, T'Varo, I wont be buying them at all, ever. And I will continue to play the game just fine and happy as I do now. Since all the gear I have now, will do just as well as it currently does.
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Once Delta Rising goes live, all of the current ships available now as Level 50 items via the lockbox, standard shipyard, Fleet shipyard, or Zen Store will pop as Level 60's with updated stats by default. Those with L50 versions of ships at the start of the expansion will be allowed to level their way to 60 with their current ship, with the option of a free upgrade at a shipyard once they have reached 60. Same thing applies to all of the weapons and consoles obtained prior to DR.
In other words, if you didn't have it yet, you can get it once you're 60. If you had it at 50 pre-DR, you can keep it at 50 with it's L50 stats till you've reached 60 and get a free upgrade to Level 60 stats since you've already spent currency or keys on obtaining it already. Sort of a nice way for current Captains to have a temporary "Grandfather Clause".
Of all the misinformation out there, the allegation that upgraded ships will still be inferior to new T6 ships is the most infuriating.
As I have said several times, the T6 ships would only be different, not superior to upgraded ships. "Competitive" is such a vague word, but I would still think that upgraded ships would still be on par in power to the T6 ships. As I have heard it, the plan was to release more Dyson-ified versions of current ship designs (like the way the SDSD is Dyson-ified Intrepid class).
In short, T5 ships like the Wells, HD Bug, Oddy, etc. may still look like the way they are now but when converted to T6 they would have buffed stats and maybe, just maybe, some internal improvements like additional console slots. Possibly even some Dysonifications to the skin as well. But no, the T6 ships aren't going to shoot Gundams as torpedoes and fire Death Star beams. That's just something someone is pulling out of their aft port to make people want to spend real money on T6 ships.
Then what's the alure of having a tier 6 ship if it's not superior to what came before? Look man, you're being flatly naive on this one.
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Well, alienating your current customers isn't a moneymaker either. Right now Cryptic must be taking a hit in sales because everyone's kept so much in the dark about WTF will be in Delta that they're afraid to buy any Zen. That's why they made the desperate move to say that Bug ships from the DOFF packs will be upgraded. Cryptic HAD to say that now or the sale event would have been a massive dud.
Every company wants to make money, but trying to shotgun players into coughing up cash if they want to continue playing is a really bad strategy on their part if that's what they have in mind. My Wells ship, cold dead hands, etc.
Replace 'fake' with 'Cryptic-designed' ships then. Lots of folks don't like the idea that T6 won't include ships from the shows or movies, and will only include Cryptic-designed ships.
That's even assuming too much, considering that word on teh streets is that the Federation-Adapted Dauntless class will be one of the new tier-6 ships.
Well, alienating your current customers isn't a moneymaker either. Right now Cryptic must be taking a hit in sales because everyone's kept so much in the dark about WTF will be in Delta that they're afraid to buy any Zen. That's why they made the desperate move to say that Bug ships from the DOFF packs will be upgraded. Cryptic HAD to say that now or the sale event would have been a massive dud.
Every company wants to make money, but trying to shotgun players into coughing up cash if they want to continue playing is a really bad strategy on their part if that's what they have in mind. My Wells ship, cold dead hands, etc.
Very true. Well, as long as any possible upgrading doesn't involve crafting I'm good
Then what's the alure of having a tier 6 ship if it's not superior to what came before? Look man, you're being flatly naive on this one.
I'm making my claim based on the Dyson ships. They have different powers, but are they superior to other endgame ships (even the Fleet level ones)? That's up for debate.
For me, I tried the Dyson 3-pack ships. I went back to my Wells because for what I like to do with my ship, the Wells was far more suitable.
I'm making my claim based on the Dyson ships. They have different powers, but are they superior to other endgame ships (even the Fleet level ones)? That's up for debate.
For me, I tried the Dyson 3-pack ships. I went back to my Wells because for what I like to do with my ship, the Wells was far more suitable.
Again those were made to be tier 5 ships. You can't base your argument on that since they were made to be just as powerful as other tier 5 ships.
Apples and oranges man. You're trying to make a logical leap without knowing all the variables. I highly doubt your logic is correct.
Again, what's the point of putting out a ship 1 tier higher if it's NOT SUPERIOR? That makes no sense. While making it suicide if our ships(and yes I've bought a few like my Avenger) does get outclassed yeah I'll be ticked, but I won't be surprised.
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But again, the bug ship has nothing to do with delta. I could see them releasing a blog that actually gives details about the ship upgrade and then releasing the one about the bug ship. But releasing the one about the bug ship first just seems like it was done in poor taste.
1. We know that with Delta Rising coming, there will be a new ship tier (Tier 6) coming.
2. The Bug (a tier 5 ship) doesn't have to have any thing to do with DR.
3. The Romulan Survivor Pack promotion goes live, featuring the Bug ship (a tier 5 ship).
4. Someone in-house notices that the sales numbers of the Romulan Survivor Pack are not where they should be during said promotion.
5. Someone realizes that it may be due to the new ship tier and they decide to inform people that the ship will get a free upgrade to T6, to help increase sales.
In your earlier post, http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18687711&postcount=53, you were questioning the PR department's release of information. Step 4 is the most likely reason. Please don't get too hung up on the lack of connection with the Bug and DR, it was sales plain and simple.
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I know what it means, I'm just not the best person to explain it. Much like the supreme court and obscenity, if you get that reference.
You may be new to STO, but as someone who's been here a while, players are going to get the scew as they have been since PWE bought Cryptic.
I don't have to go to delta adventure zone and I don't want to fly an unofficial fake star trek ship.
One thing I will say about the fake un-licensed ships, they no longer have an excuse for not allowing actual ship customization.
But yeah unless they plan on blocking eSTF it's business as usual for me.
Especially if leveling is anything like crafting time gated behind 300 days no thank you.
I have 1 ship per 1 character and that's how I like it, that's how it's staying.
Maybe if they did like a super carrier that could launch little connies I'd think about it.
Anyway, T6 ships gameplay they compared to sub classes in rpg's.
I certainly imagine the flat stats to be better, shield, turn mod, number of front weapons etc. but I think those ships will come with special t6 abilities that work as supplement to existing ones, I picture team buffs like we saw added to cruisers.
What about skill tree window, what about boff abilities?
They ready to throw in 7 new skills for space, 2 for ground and new boff abilities for every career?
WHILE keeping t5 competitive"?
Can old boffs use those or they forcing you to buy special boffs from lockboxes @ 1200 lobi ?
Or will the incentive be romulan operative-like overpowered traits?
Same problem as with ships, people like their old gear, are attached to the items they have.
Might be the echo of the crafting revamp talking but I see a lot of things that can go wrong, I do however think they will have more luck or goodwill with carrot rather than stick.
As someone who is immature, spiteful, bitter, pitiful and resentful, all I can say they try to play little games a la crafting system with any of my gear or characters, I am going to react badly.
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Good post and I suspect you are right. What if 80% of the player base just don't want those new ships and say they want to upgrade their existing one for free (or using dil, EC, etc). Cryptic will make no money.
This way, they make money in some way no matter what.
Its a win, win. Although I suspect some players will be very stung at another form of ship purchase.
But no T6 'canon' ships.
I just died laughing. I've got a theory!!! What can't we face if we're together!??? I can just imagine roach singing with cosmic....
But that's what they are.
And you can work on your forum moderator all your want it doesn't change nothing.
I. Don't. Want. To. Fly. One.
Does that register on sensors for you?
That aside however it was said in reference to making the point of how to, or how not to, create incentive for people to get t6 ships.
I believe the only attraction from t6 and from fake ships moving forward will be overly overpowered stats.
Potentially the could be fine, could even be great, if it weren't for the fact that people are attached to their avatar.
Additionally, judging by the crafting release it's my estimate their decision making is at an all-time terrible
Furthermore, it sounds like things might be a lot less organized and fleshed out than we were lead to believe at STLV - hence the lack of concrete news/information. Expect less than what was promi-.. stated.
Of all the misinformation out there, the allegation that upgraded ships will still be inferior to new T6 ships is the most infuriating.
As I have said several times, the T6 ships would only be different, not superior to upgraded ships. "Competitive" is such a vague word, but I would still think that upgraded ships would still be on par in power to the T6 ships. As I have heard it, the plan was to release more Dyson-ified versions of current ship designs (like the way the SDSD is Dyson-ified Intrepid class).
In short, T5 ships like the Wells, HD Bug, Oddy, etc. may still look like the way they are now but when converted to T6 they would have buffed stats and maybe, just maybe, some internal improvements like additional console slots. Possibly even some Dysonifications to the skin as well. But no, the T6 ships aren't going to shoot Gundams as torpedoes and fire Death Star beams. That's just something someone is pulling out of their aft port to make people want to spend real money on T6 ships.
Unless the new T6 ships blow me away - and in that sense, they are designed with visuals that actually look Federation - I imagine I'll be the same if there is no option to upgrade a Fleet Advanced Escort.
However, I'm 99.9% confident I'll be able to upgrade.
Lock it down? Why? Because it brings up stuff that you (and Cryptic) don't want people to hear?
This is the General Discussion thread. We are having a General Discussion. This thread is within the parameters.
As someone had mentioned further up in the thread, Cryptic is really bungling this rollout badly by not giving veterans much clue as to what the expansion will look like and how it relates to them. Sure, there's the talk of the lucky Bug Ship owners getting a free upgrade, but that's mainly hype to make the suckers dump even more real money for Zen to pop one DOFF box after another during the sale.
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Then what's the alure of having a tier 6 ship if it's not superior to what came before? Look man, you're being flatly naive on this one.
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Well, alienating your current customers isn't a moneymaker either. Right now Cryptic must be taking a hit in sales because everyone's kept so much in the dark about WTF will be in Delta that they're afraid to buy any Zen. That's why they made the desperate move to say that Bug ships from the DOFF packs will be upgraded. Cryptic HAD to say that now or the sale event would have been a massive dud.
Every company wants to make money, but trying to shotgun players into coughing up cash if they want to continue playing is a really bad strategy on their part if that's what they have in mind. My Wells ship, cold dead hands, etc.
See above.
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I'm making my claim based on the Dyson ships. They have different powers, but are they superior to other endgame ships (even the Fleet level ones)? That's up for debate.
For me, I tried the Dyson 3-pack ships. I went back to my Wells because for what I like to do with my ship, the Wells was far more suitable.
Again those were made to be tier 5 ships. You can't base your argument on that since they were made to be just as powerful as other tier 5 ships.
Apples and oranges man. You're trying to make a logical leap without knowing all the variables. I highly doubt your logic is correct.
Again, what's the point of putting out a ship 1 tier higher if it's NOT SUPERIOR? That makes no sense. While making it suicide if our ships(and yes I've bought a few like my Avenger) does get outclassed yeah I'll be ticked, but I won't be surprised.
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Edit: Ah .
And your source for this is...what?
1. We know that with Delta Rising coming, there will be a new ship tier (Tier 6) coming.
2. The Bug (a tier 5 ship) doesn't have to have any thing to do with DR.
3. The Romulan Survivor Pack promotion goes live, featuring the Bug ship (a tier 5 ship).
4. Someone in-house notices that the sales numbers of the Romulan Survivor Pack are not where they should be during said promotion.
5. Someone realizes that it may be due to the new ship tier and they decide to inform people that the ship will get a free upgrade to T6, to help increase sales.
In your earlier post, http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18687711&postcount=53, you were questioning the PR department's release of information. Step 4 is the most likely reason. Please don't get too hung up on the lack of connection with the Bug and DR, it was sales plain and simple.