Thats not relevant, I pointed that the USN number of ships vs USN flag officers.
I understand this is impossible to even discuss without the whole "Captain only" but at the very least U will not stand having my words twisted.
At this point its clear further discussion is pointless.
right-o pal. no one's twisting your nickers. you did that yourself.
the admirals are all back at Starfleet Command being infested with giant sentient earwigs.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I don't remember the exact reason but ages ago, DStahl told us that the "Commodore" rank was off the table.
It wasn't a CBS thing though, I believe He said that it was a personal choice by the developers.
Their thoughts were that most Commodores seen in the show, were not Captains of starships.
They were in charge of starbases instead and thus didn't fit with the individual story of the game.
Um, at least it looks like Commodores can command ships, I only recall an Admiral commanding a ship a grand total of one time (Riker in All Good Things), and it was largely like how Sisko used the Defiant.
I like almost everything I have heard about Delta Rising so far, but I'd like to provide my impression on something I'd like changed.
Ranks - I do not believe we should be the same rank as Admiral Quinn. I agree with a 10-level increase, but it should only afford one promotion, to Admiral (or General for KDF).
Just my two cents ... do with it as you wish.
He is the Commanding Officer of Star Fleet. The rank of Admiral is actually lower than a Fleet Admiral which we will get when all end gamers get to level 60. He has a desk job, us space guys do all the work
Fleet Admiral of the U.S.S. ATTILA KHAN-CDA (NX-921911).
Personally, I would like a rank/level structure like this:
0-9 Ensign
10-19 Lieutenant junior grade
20-29 Lieutenant
30-39 Lieutenant Commander
40-49 Commander
50-59 Captain
60 Admiral
I like this, but the last step should just be something like "Fleet Captain." Otherwise we need to invent/insert some kind of intermediate rank between Commander and Captain, like "Chief/Senior Commander" or something. I know we're probably going to get another expansion, and if we do I'd rather have that post-captain rank be Commodore.
...This many admirals doing commander/captain duties makes no sense whatsoever. (Though Vice Admiral should be an attainable rank if you are the top rank or two of a fleet, as some people have said.)
No, that was the Tellarite Admiral Zav glasch Trem. You meet Leonard James Akaar in the Romulan Front mission Saturday's Child.
Aha yes that's right. Sorry I get them mixed up at times. Thankyou. And Even he is just a 4 piper admiral. Quinn outranks him.
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I don't remember the exact reason but ages ago, DStahl told us that the "Commodore" rank was off the table.
It wasn't a CBS thing though, I believe He said that it was a personal choice by the developers.
Their thoughts were that most Commodores seen in the show, were not Captains of starships.
They were in charge of starbases instead and thus didn't fit with the individual story of the game.
:cool:
Decker and Wesley both commanded ships
The show dropped Commodores at about the same time the USN replaced them with Rear Admiral Lower Half (most of the EU rank lists made the same switch)
WRONG! Quinn has direct control over the ENTIRE FEDERATION. He's Cheif of Operations, far as Starfleet goes, the buck stops there. He's the top of the pile. He just happens to have his offices on ESD.
You are so far wrong it's not even funny. Quinn can PULL Kurland from DS9 and guess what Kurland is going to say? "Yes Sir"
Only 2 people in the federation outrank Quinn. Secretary of defense(if there is one) and the President of the Federation. Quinn CAN tell us what to do, where to go if it was actually real, or he'd strip you of your rank and your ship and throw you out of starfleet and you couldn't do a damn thing about it.
Far as starfleet goes, He's it. He's the CO of ALL of Starfleet. He gets to do what he want.
Starting with the introduction of the Gal-X and letting T'nae launch a crusade against the RSE and leading up to Fluid Dynamics, I think Quinn is pulling a slow coup against the Dragon in the Palais
He is outright ignoring Presidential commands and taking major diplomatic actions that run directly counter to the Government's official Foreign Policy
1 Akkar dies at DS9 during the 4800 arc. IIRC. 2. Only person I've seen with 5 pips is Quinn which tells me, he's CNO. I've yet to see anybody out rank Quinn. And even if Quinn is not CNO, he could go out, assume command of DS9 if it struck his fancy and Kurland wouldn't be able to say jack till a higher authority says otherwise.
And guess what the saying goes "hey we'll flip for it!" higher rank wins.
Grigori Yanishev, the admiral who gives the Fleet Action Missions, is 5-Star, as is the Veteran Dil refiner, Admiral Akkar and Admiral Zav glasch Trem
The show dropped Commodores at about the same time the USN replaced them with Rear Admiral Lower Half (most of the EU rank lists made the same switch)
Starting with the introduction of the Gal-X and letting T'nae launch a crusade against the RSE and leading up to Fluid Dynamics, I think Quinn is pulling a slow coup against the Dragon in the Palais
He is outright ignoring Presidential commands and taking major diplomatic actions that run directly counter to the Government's official Foreign Policy
Grigori Yanishev, the admiral who gives the Fleet Action Missions, is 5-Star, as is the Veteran Dil refiner, Admiral Akkar and Admiral Zav glasch Trem
I thought Akkar was a 4 star? Hey I could be wrong. But IIRC Quinn is CO of starfleet. Again I could be wrong.
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He is the Commanding Officer of Star Fleet. The rank of Admiral is actually lower than a Fleet Admiral which we will get when all end gamers get to level 60. He has a desk job, us space guys do all the work
Nice, so everybody will be Fleet Armirals in a few days. :P and we will be in the same spot than now. At least i hope it will be more difficult to advance to level 60, because if not, it will make no sense at all.
The actual military rank of a USN ship's captain varies depending on the size, class, and function of the ship in question.
For example the Navy doesn't put an O-6 in command of a USN Valiant class tugboat. I personally met a Master Chief who was the Captain of a Navy tug.
It's not unusual to find
Minesweeper or patrol vessel: Lieutenant Commander or very senior Lieutenant.
Frigates/Destroyer: Commander
Cruiser: Captain.
LSD, LPD: Commander
LHA, LHD: Captain
Carrier: Captain.
Attack sub: Commander
Boomer: Previously a Captain, but now mostly commanders.
LCS: The prototypes are commanded by O-5 commanders, but the crew size might make operational units an O-4 Lieutenant Commander command.
In WWII PT boats were commanded by Ensigns and LT's. JFK was an O3 in charge of PT 109
Old John Kerry, Lieutenant, USN, was in command of his Swift Boat in Vietnam.
Yes, I know.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
To the point that "Admirals don't command starships [in the US Navy]" -- In Star Trek, there is precedent that an Admiral can command a Starship with Admiral Riker choosing the Enterprise and modifying it as he wanted (creating the Galaxy X / Dreadnaught).
As for ranks ... I agree with most posts that it should have been different (Cadet, Ensign, Lieutenant Junior Grade, Lieutenant, Lieutenant Commander, Commander, Captain, Rear Admiral Lower Half/Commodore). With that said, I didn't want to throw anything out -- just give my input to hopefully limit it to Admiral instead of Fleet Admiral.
I also hope they take the lesson from Riker and allow us to "modify" ships to be the Admiral's Ship ... maybe a uniform upgrade like adding a console or two and % increase to performance.
He is the Commanding Officer of Star Fleet. The rank of Admiral is actually lower than a Fleet Admiral which we will get when all end gamers get to level 60. He has a desk job, us space guys do all the work
Unless I am mistaken, we are set to get Fleet Admiral as well, not just Admiral. The initial intent of the post was to hopefully limit it to only Admiral.
I can't believe I'm defending the admiral thing, because I hate it too, but I think the idea is that the ships in our Shipyard are the "fleet" we're commanding. So, for instance, my character is flying a Fleet Advanced Escort, but the Defiant, Armitage, and Steamrunner in her yard are out doing their own thing, and she can choose which one is her personal flagship at the moment.
But back to the real topic, I think a major problem along with the ranks is that we level much faster now than at launch. Levels 1-10 take... three hours, max? Most likely less?
I'd solve it by adding Lieutenant Junior Grade in, to replace Lieutenant. As it is now, you're only a lieutenant for a few levels. This would push Lt. to 10-20, Lt. Commander to 20-30, and Commander to 30-40.
Next I'd get rid of getting two promotions between 40 and 50. That's pretty silly, too. 40-50 would be captain, and at 50, maybe then you could be Rear Admiral - putting you on the same level as Tuvok, which makes sense for the story, since it's just weird that you technically outrank him.
Course, this is all just for fun - it's not going to be changed now.
I can't believe I'm defending the admiral thing, because I hate it too, but I think the idea is that the ships in our Shipyard are the "fleet" we're commanding. So, for instance, my character is flying a Fleet Advanced Escort, but the Defiant, Armitage, and Steamrunner in her yard are out doing their own thing, and she can choose which one is her personal flagship at the moment.
I don't know why this isn't in the game already, the mechanic is already in place. They should let us select four of our unused ships as a "space away team" that would behave like our Boffs do on ground missions. And any remaining ships not part of our active fleet could be sent on Doff type missions.
But back to the real topic, I think a major problem along with the ranks is that we level much faster now than at launch. Levels 1-10 take... three hours, max? Most likely less?
I'd solve it by adding Lieutenant Junior Grade in, to replace Lieutenant. As it is now, you're only a lieutenant for a few levels. This would push Lt. to 10-20, Lt. Commander to 20-30, and Commander to 30-40.
Next I'd get rid of getting two promotions between 40 and 50. That's pretty silly, too. 40-50 would be captain, and at 50, maybe then you could be Rear Admiral - putting you on the same level as Tuvok, which makes sense for the story, since it's just weird that you technically outrank him.
The thing you need to remember, story wise, is there is really only 1 admiral running around in command of a starship.
YOU.
Everyone else, their ranks, their stories, don't matter. They're nobody.
Being a flag officer does not automatically deny you the center chair, but being a captain does not automatically grant it to you. It'sall based on what assignment you are given. Idealy, yes, an admiral would not be in direct command of a ship but if you actually watch the show, they do it all the freaking time.
Everywhere I look, people are screaming about how bad Cryptic is.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
I don't know why this isn't in the game already, the mechanic is already in place. They should let us select four of our unused ships as a "space away team" that would behave like our Boffs do on ground missions. And any remaining ships not part of our active fleet could be sent on Doff type missions.
That's how it should be.
Probably not.
Ok hey I was wrong, you proved it.
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The thing you need to remember, story wise, is there is really only 1 admiral running around in command of a starship.
YOU.
Everyone else, their ranks, their stories, don't matter. They're nobody.
Being a flag officer does not automatically deny you the center chair, but being a captain does not automatically grant it to you. It'sall based on what assignment you are given. Idealy, yes, an admiral would not be in direct command of a ship but if you actually watch the show, they do it all the freaking time.
But only in extraordinary Circumstances. Like Kirk taking command of the Enterprise in Wrath of Khan. Had it not been for Spock's prodding, Kirk wouldn't of done it.
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That's a good point, that has been raised since the beginning. And has been ignored by Cryptic since the beginning. I'm a little unsure how this level increase is happening. Currently, max level is Vice Admiral. They are adding another 10 levels and the rank of Fleet Admiral. So we go from a level 50 Vice Admiral, to a level 60 Fleet Admiral, is that correct? Completely skipping the rank of Admiral? Navy/Starfleet Flag officer ranks go: Rear Admiral Lower Half (One Star), Rear Admiral Upper Half (Two Stars), Vice Admiral (Three Stars), Admiral (Four Stars), and lastly Fleet Admiral (Five Stars).
As to what they will raise max level to next, assuming this game is still around by then. I purpose President of the Federation/Chancellor of the Klingon Empire. Now of course having thousands of Federation Presidents flying around in single ships doing simple missions a Starfleet Lieutenant could do doesn't make sense. But neither does having thousands of Admirals (of any grade) doing the same.
I brought up the same issue with SWTOR and a few months or a year ago with STO. When the level cap gets increased what will they promote us to? even Wildstar which is a pretty new game sorta did the same thing. In Wildstar you can pick a Soldier path and basically you go around and do a bunch of soldierly tasks and at the level cap for the Soldier path you get a rank, Colonel and Commander. Wildstar obviously hasnt done any expacs yet but here you are already at the rank of Colonel and Commander. Not quite as bad as a Vice Admiral but still. I dont think they plan on updating the path stuff as much but if they did then what rank do they get next? they are already up into the general ranks, Sec Def like the other dude was joking about or maybe even President.
I don't think we should be in command of a ship at Ensign, so I have no problem with being field promoted from Cadet to Lieutenant (although it should have been Lieutenant junior grade, Cryptic). But our Bridge Officers, after the tutorial, should start at Ensign. Not starting as a Cadet and jumping to full Lieutenant.
The maximum player rank achievable should be Captain. Giving us the rank of Admiral, but only with the authority of a Captain is idiotic. Any rank above Captain should not have been unlocked until Cryptic gave us proper Admiral game play. Basically, letting us command our unused ships like we command our Boffs on an away team, only in space. And sending or fleet out to do missions on their own, the same way we do Doff missions.
This is another thing i've commented on in the past, but of course i dont expect the devs to do anything about it. It seems like they went all JJ Abrams Trek on STO. We get on the ship as a Cadet and after just one engagement we are already in command of the ship. And the other thing too is the types of things we as Admirals and Generals do. We have the rank of a VA/LG but we do the tasks of a Captain, sometimes even a lowly officer or crewman depending on what you are doing. Take a look at the tasks you do on New Romulus for example. You are running around taking water samples? spraying insect repellent? if they had done a TRIBBLE quest like the WoW devs always do i probably wouldnt have noticed. I think it should be our Admiral and their away team walking around and instead of us taking soil samples, we call up to our ship and tell them to beam down some geologists to take the samples. Instead of me spraying the insect repellent i snap my fingers at one of the redshirts accompanying my and they take care of it.
But i have a feeling that DR will be more of the same. We'll be fleet admirals running around planetside doing the same scut work we've been doing.
The amount of nitpicking around here is sometimes astounding.
And yet i can stand in the middle of ESD and here goes a player named Vice Admiral Eric Cartman....and there goes Vice Admiral xXLegolasXx, and over there purchasing a ship is my good friend Vice Admiral Lolpvpikeelyou. As i walk over to go talk to him i look outside the window and i see in orbit about 20 other ships piloted by other players, and almost all of them have the rank of Vice Admiral.
From the storyline perspective this game may only have 1 vice admiral, you. But this game also has the multiplayer element and that's the one people have issues with. It's kinda hard to think of yourself as the only Vice Admiral in the game when there are 50 fricking people running around right in front of you wearing the same rank as you.
And yet i can stand in the middle of ESD and here goes a player named Vice Admiral Eric Cartman....and there goes Vice Admiral xXLegolasXx, and over there purchasing a ship is my good friend Vice Admiral Lolpvpikeelyou. As i walk over to go talk to him i look outside the window and i see in orbit about 20 other ships piloted by other players, and almost all of them have the rank of Vice Admiral.
From the storyline perspective this game may only have 1 vice admiral, you. But this game also has the multiplayer element and that's the one people have issues with. It's kinda hard to think of yourself as the only Vice Admiral in the game when there are 50 fricking people running around right in front of you wearing the same rank as you.
My feeling on the matter in a nutshell. The game may only recognize one vice admiral, but that doesn't change the fact that there's a zillion of them doing assignments well below their pay grade.
Admirals are administrators and fleet commanders, not grunts or maintenance workers. And even in the show, they don't command single ships (Kirk's a cowboy and had to be pushed to take over from his flag captain, Spock, and Martok just likes leading from the front).
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My feeling on the matter in a nutshell. The game may only recognize one vice admiral, but that doesn't change the fact that there's a zillion of them doing assignments well below their pay grade.
Admirals are administrators and fleet commanders, not grunts or maintenance workers. And even in the show, they don't command single ships (Kirk's a cowboy and had to be pushed to take over from his flag captain, Spock, and Martok just likes leading from the front).
Yup my post before the one you quoted addresses how they could have done a lot of the minor stuff. Like instead of you, an Admiral, taking soil samples yourself you interact with the item and the menu option says [beam down geology team to take soil samples] or something like that. Delegate the little mundane tasks to your crew. Of course that would take a little more work then simply hit F to interact, ok now you are finished.
I had actually made a suggestion a long time ago about adding in another doff system but for ships instead of people. You send your doffs to do a mission and they come back with xp, some dil, credits etc. The system i suggested did the same thing except instead of a person it's a ship going on the mission. Just like how the doffs only exist in the doff interface, the ships would also only exist in the interface. That would at least make VA/LG feel more like they are managing a fleet.
My feeling on the matter in a nutshell. The game may only recognize one vice admiral, but that doesn't change the fact that there's a zillion of them doing assignments well below their pay grade.
Admirals are administrators and fleet commanders, not grunts or maintenance workers. And even in the show, they don't command single ships (Kirk's a cowboy and had to be pushed to take over from his flag captain, Spock, and Martok just likes leading from the front).
Well VADM Ross lead from the front but he did it from a Flag Bridge on his flagship while a CAPTAIN commanded said ship, he wasn't leading the fleet while sitting in the Hotseat. And I'm willing to bet while Martok sat in that seat another officer actually ran the ship while he commanded the Klingon Fleet.
Sorry at BEST we should be "Fleet" Captains. Basically senior captains that can at times take command of other ships to do a specific job, or better yet be given the honorary rank of Commodore.
But Cryptic doing something logical? Say wut?
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WRONG! Quinn has direct control over the ENTIRE FEDERATION. He's Cheif of Operations, far as Starfleet goes, the buck stops there. He's the top of the pile. He just happens to have his offices on ESD.
You are so far wrong it's not even funny. Quinn can PULL Kurland from DS9 and guess what Kurland is going to say? "Yes Sir"
Only 2 people in the federation outrank Quinn. Secretary of defense(if there is one) and the President of the Federation. Quinn CAN tell us what to do, where to go if it was actually real, or he'd strip you of your rank and your ship and throw you out of starfleet and you couldn't do a damn thing about it.
Far as starfleet goes, He's it. He's the CO of ALL of Starfleet. He gets to do what he want.
1 Akkar dies at DS9 during the 4800 arc. IIRC. 2. Only person I've seen with 5 pips is Quinn which tells me, he's CNO. I've yet to see anybody out rank Quinn. And even if Quinn is not CNO, he could go out, assume command of DS9 if it struck his fancy and Kurland wouldn't be able to say jack till a higher authority says otherwise.
And guess what the saying goes "hey we'll flip for it!" higher rank wins.
Actually, If anyone here has bothered to speak with the Transporter Chief since the New ESD Opened, you will find the In game Dialogue explaining his role in the Chain of Command in a nutshell
"Admiral Quinn is the commanding officer here, and he is also the liaison between the fleet and Starfleet Command on Earth"
Simply Put he's not in charge, but He knows who is
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Actually, If anyone here has bothered to speak with the Transporter Chief since the New ESD Opened, you will find the In game Dialogue explaining his role in the Chain of Command in a nutshell
"Admiral Quinn is the commanding officer here, and he is also the liaison between the fleet and Starfleet Command on Earth"
Simply Put he's not in charge, but He knows who is
Ok again I stand corrected.
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Riiiiight, Kirk just needed a gentle nudge to get him to re-take command of the Enterprise...........:rolleyes:
Rewatch the scene between Kirk and Spock. Kirk is really trying not to step on Spock's toes the way he did Decker's. Finally Spock says "As a teacher I am content with commanding the Enterprise, but if we are to go on active duty, it's only logicial that the senior officer take command." And Spock further mentioned "I have no ego to bruise." A reference to Captain Decker.
Yes Kirk had to be nudged into it by Spock, once he did, Kirk took the ball and ran.
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right-o pal. no one's twisting your nickers. you did that yourself.
the admirals are all back at Starfleet Command being infested with giant sentient earwigs.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Um, at least it looks like Commodores can command ships, I only recall an Admiral commanding a ship a grand total of one time (Riker in All Good Things), and it was largely like how Sisko used the Defiant.
Why would I be a crewmen if i graduated from the academy????
He is the Commanding Officer of Star Fleet. The rank of Admiral is actually lower than a Fleet Admiral which we will get when all end gamers get to level 60. He has a desk job, us space guys do all the work
I like this, but the last step should just be something like "Fleet Captain." Otherwise we need to invent/insert some kind of intermediate rank between Commander and Captain, like "Chief/Senior Commander" or something. I know we're probably going to get another expansion, and if we do I'd rather have that post-captain rank be Commodore.
...This many admirals doing commander/captain duties makes no sense whatsoever. (Though Vice Admiral should be an attainable rank if you are the top rank or two of a fleet, as some people have said.)
Aha yes that's right. Sorry I get them mixed up at times. Thankyou. And Even he is just a 4 piper admiral. Quinn outranks him.
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1-5?(whatever grade is minimum for the tutorial) - Cadet
5?-9 - Engisn
10 -19 - Lt. Jg
20 - 29 - Lt.
30 - 39 - Lt. Cmdr
40 - 49 - Cmdr
50 - 54 - Cpt.
55 - 59 - Flt. Cpt.
60 - Commodore
Decker and Wesley both commanded ships
The show dropped Commodores at about the same time the USN replaced them with Rear Admiral Lower Half (most of the EU rank lists made the same switch)
Starting with the introduction of the Gal-X and letting T'nae launch a crusade against the RSE and leading up to Fluid Dynamics, I think Quinn is pulling a slow coup against the Dragon in the Palais
He is outright ignoring Presidential commands and taking major diplomatic actions that run directly counter to the Government's official Foreign Policy
Grigori Yanishev, the admiral who gives the Fleet Action Missions, is 5-Star, as is the Veteran Dil refiner, Admiral Akkar and Admiral Zav glasch Trem
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I thought Akkar was a 4 star? Hey I could be wrong. But IIRC Quinn is CO of starfleet. Again I could be wrong.
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Nice, so everybody will be Fleet Armirals in a few days. :P and we will be in the same spot than now. At least i hope it will be more difficult to advance to level 60, because if not, it will make no sense at all.
Yes, I know.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
To the point that "Admirals don't command starships [in the US Navy]" -- In Star Trek, there is precedent that an Admiral can command a Starship with Admiral Riker choosing the Enterprise and modifying it as he wanted (creating the Galaxy X / Dreadnaught).
As for ranks ... I agree with most posts that it should have been different (Cadet, Ensign, Lieutenant Junior Grade, Lieutenant, Lieutenant Commander, Commander, Captain, Rear Admiral Lower Half/Commodore). With that said, I didn't want to throw anything out -- just give my input to hopefully limit it to Admiral instead of Fleet Admiral.
I also hope they take the lesson from Riker and allow us to "modify" ships to be the Admiral's Ship ... maybe a uniform upgrade like adding a console or two and % increase to performance.
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Unless I am mistaken, we are set to get Fleet Admiral as well, not just Admiral. The initial intent of the post was to hopefully limit it to only Admiral.
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But back to the real topic, I think a major problem along with the ranks is that we level much faster now than at launch. Levels 1-10 take... three hours, max? Most likely less?
I'd solve it by adding Lieutenant Junior Grade in, to replace Lieutenant. As it is now, you're only a lieutenant for a few levels. This would push Lt. to 10-20, Lt. Commander to 20-30, and Commander to 30-40.
Next I'd get rid of getting two promotions between 40 and 50. That's pretty silly, too. 40-50 would be captain, and at 50, maybe then you could be Rear Admiral - putting you on the same level as Tuvok, which makes sense for the story, since it's just weird that you technically outrank him.
Course, this is all just for fun - it's not going to be changed now.
I just looked it up on the STO Wiki, Akaar is indeed a five pip Fleet Admiral.
I don't know why this isn't in the game already, the mechanic is already in place. They should let us select four of our unused ships as a "space away team" that would behave like our Boffs do on ground missions. And any remaining ships not part of our active fleet could be sent on Doff type missions.
That's how it should be.
Probably not.
YOU.
Everyone else, their ranks, their stories, don't matter. They're nobody.
Being a flag officer does not automatically deny you the center chair, but being a captain does not automatically grant it to you. It'sall based on what assignment you are given. Idealy, yes, an admiral would not be in direct command of a ship but if you actually watch the show, they do it all the freaking time.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
This right here. I'm glad somebody gets it.
The amount of nitpicking around here is sometimes astounding.
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But only in extraordinary Circumstances. Like Kirk taking command of the Enterprise in Wrath of Khan. Had it not been for Spock's prodding, Kirk wouldn't of done it.
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^ This 100% agreed
I brought up the same issue with SWTOR and a few months or a year ago with STO. When the level cap gets increased what will they promote us to? even Wildstar which is a pretty new game sorta did the same thing. In Wildstar you can pick a Soldier path and basically you go around and do a bunch of soldierly tasks and at the level cap for the Soldier path you get a rank, Colonel and Commander. Wildstar obviously hasnt done any expacs yet but here you are already at the rank of Colonel and Commander. Not quite as bad as a Vice Admiral but still. I dont think they plan on updating the path stuff as much but if they did then what rank do they get next? they are already up into the general ranks, Sec Def like the other dude was joking about or maybe even President.
This is another thing i've commented on in the past, but of course i dont expect the devs to do anything about it. It seems like they went all JJ Abrams Trek on STO. We get on the ship as a Cadet and after just one engagement we are already in command of the ship. And the other thing too is the types of things we as Admirals and Generals do. We have the rank of a VA/LG but we do the tasks of a Captain, sometimes even a lowly officer or crewman depending on what you are doing. Take a look at the tasks you do on New Romulus for example. You are running around taking water samples? spraying insect repellent? if they had done a TRIBBLE quest like the WoW devs always do i probably wouldnt have noticed. I think it should be our Admiral and their away team walking around and instead of us taking soil samples, we call up to our ship and tell them to beam down some geologists to take the samples. Instead of me spraying the insect repellent i snap my fingers at one of the redshirts accompanying my and they take care of it.
But i have a feeling that DR will be more of the same. We'll be fleet admirals running around planetside doing the same scut work we've been doing.
And yet i can stand in the middle of ESD and here goes a player named Vice Admiral Eric Cartman....and there goes Vice Admiral xXLegolasXx, and over there purchasing a ship is my good friend Vice Admiral Lolpvpikeelyou. As i walk over to go talk to him i look outside the window and i see in orbit about 20 other ships piloted by other players, and almost all of them have the rank of Vice Admiral.
From the storyline perspective this game may only have 1 vice admiral, you. But this game also has the multiplayer element and that's the one people have issues with. It's kinda hard to think of yourself as the only Vice Admiral in the game when there are 50 fricking people running around right in front of you wearing the same rank as you.
My feeling on the matter in a nutshell. The game may only recognize one vice admiral, but that doesn't change the fact that there's a zillion of them doing assignments well below their pay grade.
Admirals are administrators and fleet commanders, not grunts or maintenance workers. And even in the show, they don't command single ships (Kirk's a cowboy and had to be pushed to take over from his flag captain, Spock, and Martok just likes leading from the front).
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Yup my post before the one you quoted addresses how they could have done a lot of the minor stuff. Like instead of you, an Admiral, taking soil samples yourself you interact with the item and the menu option says [beam down geology team to take soil samples] or something like that. Delegate the little mundane tasks to your crew. Of course that would take a little more work then simply hit F to interact, ok now you are finished.
I had actually made a suggestion a long time ago about adding in another doff system but for ships instead of people. You send your doffs to do a mission and they come back with xp, some dil, credits etc. The system i suggested did the same thing except instead of a person it's a ship going on the mission. Just like how the doffs only exist in the doff interface, the ships would also only exist in the interface. That would at least make VA/LG feel more like they are managing a fleet.
Well VADM Ross lead from the front but he did it from a Flag Bridge on his flagship while a CAPTAIN commanded said ship, he wasn't leading the fleet while sitting in the Hotseat. And I'm willing to bet while Martok sat in that seat another officer actually ran the ship while he commanded the Klingon Fleet.
Sorry at BEST we should be "Fleet" Captains. Basically senior captains that can at times take command of other ships to do a specific job, or better yet be given the honorary rank of Commodore.
But Cryptic doing something logical? Say wut?
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Actually, If anyone here has bothered to speak with the Transporter Chief since the New ESD Opened, you will find the In game Dialogue explaining his role in the Chain of Command in a nutshell
"Admiral Quinn is the commanding officer here, and he is also the liaison between the fleet and Starfleet Command on Earth"
Simply Put he's not in charge, but He knows who is
Ok again I stand corrected.
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Rewatch the scene between Kirk and Spock. Kirk is really trying not to step on Spock's toes the way he did Decker's. Finally Spock says "As a teacher I am content with commanding the Enterprise, but if we are to go on active duty, it's only logicial that the senior officer take command." And Spock further mentioned "I have no ego to bruise." A reference to Captain Decker.
Yes Kirk had to be nudged into it by Spock, once he did, Kirk took the ball and ran.
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