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gdeemer
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I like almost everything I have heard about Delta Rising so far, but I'd like to provide my impression on something I'd like changed.
Ranks - I do not believe we should be the same rank as Admiral Quinn. I agree with a 10-level increase, but it should only afford one promotion, to Admiral (or General for KDF).
Just my two cents ... do with it as you wish.
Ranks - I do not believe we should be the same rank as Admiral Quinn. I agree with a 10-level increase, but it should only afford one promotion, to Admiral (or General for KDF).
Just my two cents ... do with it as you wish.
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Deemer
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Deemer
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So even if we are Admirals, then we don't have the same level of authority as Commander Kurland or Admiral Quinn.
Which signifies a screwup in costuming and/or scripting, not that having ten zillion fleet admirals running around makes a lick of sense.
Plus, what the hell do they promote us to next time they raise the level cap? Secretary of Defense?
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WRONG! Quinn has direct control over the ENTIRE FEDERATION. He's Cheif of Operations, far as Starfleet goes, the buck stops there. He's the top of the pile. He just happens to have his offices on ESD.
You are so far wrong it's not even funny. Quinn can PULL Kurland from DS9 and guess what Kurland is going to say? "Yes Sir"
Only 2 people in the federation outrank Quinn. Secretary of defense(if there is one) and the President of the Federation. Quinn CAN tell us what to do, where to go if it was actually real, or he'd strip you of your rank and your ship and throw you out of starfleet and you couldn't do a damn thing about it.
Far as starfleet goes, He's it. He's the CO of ALL of Starfleet. He gets to do what he want.
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0-9 Ensign
10-19 Lieutenant junior grade
20-29 Lieutenant
30-39 Lieutenant Commander
40-49 Commander
50-59 Captain
60 Admiral
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Naa first guy has it right cept 60 should be Rear Admiral, 1 star admiral. Only cavet you can be a Vice Admiral if you are Senior officer of a Fleet.
But yeah I agree with the top poster cept the last rank.
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^ this ranking system would seem to work best for STO... when the cap is increased... Just my thoughts...
Only problem, we're already cadets when the game starts so your 0-9 just does not work well.
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That's not entirely true.
While Kurland has authority over DS9, someone with higher rank can always assume command if they have something to base that command transfer on.
Quinn can, with his position, take direct command of virtually every Starfleet ship and installation if he wants to.
Petty much this ^. He's the only man in starfleet with 5 admiral pips on his chest. Meaning he's Admiral of the Fleet, 5 star admiral.
He can go up to a 4 star tell him an order and guess what that 4 star admiral must do? Say "yes sir" and carry out the order.
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WRONG! He'd say, "Kurland here..."
That being said, I'm a little surprised at the jump to Fleet Admiral as well...unless we're looking at some sort of 55 Admiral and 60 Fleet Admiral.
True, but it can be rewritten to be Crewman...
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
In the story context of the game there is only one Admiral-in-only-one-year running around i.e. the player. The in-game universe treats everyone else but you as not existing. (Except when it comes to STFs and such, which creates even more inconsistencies.)
Not a great excuse by any means, but at least there is some attempt to reconcile the madness.
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That's a good point, that has been raised since the beginning. And has been ignored by Cryptic since the beginning. I'm a little unsure how this level increase is happening. Currently, max level is Vice Admiral. They are adding another 10 levels and the rank of Fleet Admiral. So we go from a level 50 Vice Admiral, to a level 60 Fleet Admiral, is that correct? Completely skipping the rank of Admiral? Navy/Starfleet Flag officer ranks go: Rear Admiral Lower Half (One Star), Rear Admiral Upper Half (Two Stars), Vice Admiral (Three Stars), Admiral (Four Stars), and lastly Fleet Admiral (Five Stars).
As to what they will raise max level to next, assuming this game is still around by then. I purpose President of the Federation/Chancellor of the Klingon Empire. Now of course having thousands of Federation Presidents flying around in single ships doing simple missions a Starfleet Lieutenant could do doesn't make sense. But neither does having thousands of Admirals (of any grade) doing the same.
Admittedly, I don't remember, nor do I care to relearn the storyline of STO. As far as I'm concerned STO is in some kind of bizarro alternate reality version of the Star Trek universe. So I'm a little fuzzy about what Admiral Quinn's actual position is. If he is the Commander of all of Starfleet, shouldn't he be at Starfleet Command in San Francisco? Chief of Operations is not the same as Commanding Officer of Starfleet. Kirk in The Motion Picture, until he went rouge in The Search for Spock was Chief of Starfleet Operations. And he had at least one Admiral above him. What is Admiral Akaar's position in STO? I know we meet him during one of the missions, but I don't remember which one. In the novels Akkar is the Commander of Starfleet. (Of course the novels are not canon, but then again neither is STO. And since we aren't likely to ever see Star Trek, at least the 1966 to 2005 version, on screen again, the novels are as canon as we are ever going to get)
I don't think we should be in command of a ship at Ensign, so I have no problem with being field promoted from Cadet to Lieutenant (although it should have been Lieutenant junior grade, Cryptic). But our Bridge Officers, after the tutorial, should start at Ensign. Not starting as a Cadet and jumping to full Lieutenant.
The maximum player rank achievable should be Captain. Giving us the rank of Admiral, but only with the authority of a Captain is idiotic. Any rank above Captain should not have been unlocked until Cryptic gave us proper Admiral game play. Basically, letting us command our unused ships like we command our Boffs on an away team, only in space. And sending or fleet out to do missions on their own, the same way we do Doff missions.
6-15 - ens.
16-25 - lt j.g.
26-35 - lt.
36-45 - lt. cmdr.
46-54 - Cmdr.
55-60 - Capt.
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That is a good idea. Which has also been suggested since the beginning, and been ignored since the beginning.
I don't remember the exact reason but ages ago, DStahl told us that the "Commodore" rank was off the table.
It wasn't a CBS thing though, I believe He said that it was a personal choice by the developers.
Their thoughts were that most Commodores seen in the show, were not Captains of starships.
They were in charge of starbases instead and thus didn't fit with the individual story of the game.
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1 Akkar dies at DS9 during the 4800 arc. IIRC. 2. Only person I've seen with 5 pips is Quinn which tells me, he's CNO. I've yet to see anybody out rank Quinn. And even if Quinn is not CNO, he could go out, assume command of DS9 if it struck his fancy and Kurland wouldn't be able to say jack till a higher authority says otherwise.
And guess what the saying goes "hey we'll flip for it!" higher rank wins.
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No, that was the Tellarite Admiral Zav glasch Trem. You meet Leonard James Akaar in the Romulan Front mission Saturday's Child.
So we would go to level 20 before we could actually command a ship? It makes zero sense for a Cadet or Crewman to command a ship. Having a thousand Fleet Admirals running around actually makes more sense than that.
Navy admirals don't command ships. Perhaps they will command a task force of ships, especially in a time of war. O-6 Captains command the ships.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."