The T'varo-class is in fact a 24th-century redesign, based on the 22nd-century T'liss, not dissimilar in concept from the redesign of the classic '66 Ford Mustang into the more modern version.
You've got your romulan designs mixed up. The T'Varo predates the T'Liss. The T'Varo is the ship from the show Enterprise. The T'Liss is the Romulan Warbird from The Original Series.
If getting blown out of the sky left and right is what you consider "useful in war time". You will notice there wasn't a single GCS, a ship that entered full production only ten years earlier, that was shown destroyed or even seriously damaged other than the Odyssey.
The only reason they were being deployed on the front lines is because the Federation needed every ship they could stick a weapon on. They were losing hundreds of ships at a time.
Brel's also got blown up right, left and center by just about everything in DS9, likely suffering even more casualties than the Mirandas did over the run of the show, yet here we are, with T5 and Fleet variants of the Brel.
To be fair, a lot of the ships shown getting blown up in those big space conflicts in DS9 didn't even have shields. I'm sure if they had the budget, they'd have replaced the Mirandas with some other designs. I'm also sure they've have shown at least a little in the way of CGI shields.
That being said, it is Canon. And despite the obviousness of various dead horse threads, I do support more ship diversity.
I believe everyone should fly the ship they like they most. Whether that's the B'Rel, T'Liss, Miranda, or whatever. If that's what they want to fly at the end, I personally have no problem with that.
Correct. Unless I can find Dan's comment about no tier 1 ships as fleet ships (which I honestly don't recall) I have to wait for an official answer.
B'rel and T'Varo both have C-Store and Fleet versions, and the T'Varo also has a mirror version - so really, your official answer is no, some T1 ships are allowed T5 Retrofits.
To be fair, a lot of the ships shown getting blown up in those big space conflicts in DS9 didn't even have shields. I'm sure if they had the budget, they'd have replaced the Mirandas with some other designs. I'm also sure they've have shown at least a little in the way of CGI shields.
That being said, it is Canon. And despite the obviousness of various dead horse threads, I do support more ship diversity.
I believe everyone should fly the ship they like they most. Whether that's the B'Rel, T'Liss, Miranda, or whatever. If that's what they want to fly at the end, I personally have no problem with that.
Yup, this is my opinion. If you don't like it you don't have to use it.
At the end of the day we all fly pretend space pixels, does it really matter what shape those pixels come in? Canon or fresh concept, traditional design methods or radically different...as long as the player knows how to use it I don't get why it's such a big deal.
What next, you want your great-grandfather's Model T refitted to be competitive on a modern race track?
This is such a specious and annoying strawman that creeps into every single one of these discussions.
And it has no place here. I mean, there's T'Varos there's Excelsiors there's Nebulas there's D'Kyrs, there's ships from every era, every alien species imaginable available at the end-game.
I'll tell you what's next.
Quidditch.
I want to fly the Nimbus 2000 broomstick in PvP at end-game. And I want to see my fleetmates in Fred Flintstone's car. COMPLETE with brontosaurus burger console that tips it at the prehistoric drive in. I want a batmobile circa the 1966 tv show. I want to fly the jet pack from that one episode of Gilligan's Island. I want to ride a pony like Shane while impersonating Paul Revere shouting the British are coming since the BPL opens this coming weekend. I want Johnny Manziel to be able to pass to Josh Gordon all 16 weeks of the NFL season. So does Jordan Cameron. I want Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving to film another 16 new Uncle Drew commercials. I want Lebron in a few of them. I want Pete Rose in the hall of fame. I want peace in the middle east. I want Qatar to not host the world cup. I want the Ukraine to not get invaded. I want better health care.
What's next? ALL of this is next!
You sell yourself and the game too short if all you shoot for is a model T.
trouble is there needs to be official confirmation first.
The problem is that a single idiot can ask more questions than a thousand wise men can answer.
Do we really need an official dev reply every time someone throws an obvious joke suggestion out in the open?
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
This is such a specious and annoying strawman that creeps into every single one of these discussions.
And it has no place here. I mean, there's T'Varos there's Excelsiors there's Nebulas there's D'Kyrs, there's ships from every era, every alien species imaginable available at the end-game.
I'll tell you what's next.
Quidditch.
I want to fly the Nimbus 2000 broomstick in PvP at end-game. And I want to see my fleetmates in Fred Flintstone's car. COMPLETE with brontosaurus burger console that tips it at the prehistoric drive in. I want a batmobile circa the 1966 tv show. I want to fly the jet pack from that one episode of Gilligan's Island. I want to ride a pony like Shane while impersonating Paul Revere shouting the British are coming since the BPL opens this coming weekend. I want Johnny Manziel to be able to pass to Josh Gordon all 16 weeks of the NFL season. So does Jordan Cameron. I want Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving to film another 16 new Uncle Drew commercials. I want Lebron in a few of them. I want Pete Rose in the hall of fame. I want peace in the middle east. I want Qatar to not host the world cup. I want the Ukraine to not get invaded. I want better health care.
What's next? ALL of this is next!
You sell yourself and the game too short if all you shoot for is a model T.
It can provide much more than that.
And a T6 Miranda to boot.
In this game we have Dinosaurs with frikkin' laser-beams attached to their heads! A T6 Miranda sure wouldn't look strange next to that. :P Just never gonna happen, is all.
While the Miranda-class itself is quite old, it was still in use during the Dominion War in frontline service, and not just some ship worthy of only being used in the safest, quietest areas of Federation space. These ships weren't weak to a point that they were only good for acting as security / police actions where the only thing they worry about is the random smuggler or something. It saw FRONTLINE use in the Dominion War. And old ships like Mirandas, B'Rels, K'T'Ingas continued to see FRONTLINE combat service. And in STO, they continue to see frontlline action.
Not only that, as I already mentioned, there are more modern designs Starfleet has further developed in the style of the Miranda: Saucer, lack of Engineering Hull, Nacelles, and some with a superstructure / mission pod. Nebula for instance is nothing more than a massively scaled Miranda which bases itself from its regular sibling.
How there is no more truer Starfleet ships at endgame along the Miranda-class design than the Nebula is stupid. But hey, you got crazy looking made up Starfleet ships and an upcoming one that looks like a bottle cap opener.
you got excelsiors that are roughly the same age as the miranda class that are still in service that are around 130 years old, admittedly you got nx-01's b'rels, k't'ingas, d7's the somraw raptor you got truly ancient vessels in trek that can hold their own against far more advanced technology. immersion is already dead in this game, so lets get the mirandas as t6.
t6 miranda ftw!
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Gameplay and story segregation. IIRC CBS restricted Cryptic to 90k and above for player ships so they'd have everything below that available for future projects.
You misunderstand. I was referring to jonsills comment that all of the Mirandas dated back to the 23rd Century.
The five digit registry numbers seen on vessels, in canon, are generally accepted as being constructed in the 24th Century. The highest seen for a Miranda on-screen, if I'm not mistaken, was 31xxx (or 32xxx, if what some are saying about the U.S.S. Sitak is correct).
The U.S.S. Brattain (NCC-21166) was commissioned in 2345, on stardate 22519.5
So, while I believe you are correct about CBS's restriction, it wasn't what I was referring to when I responded to jonsills post.
Some of us are still clinging to that apparently antiquated notion that things in this game should make actual frakking logical sense.
I would give up on that if I were you. Helps keep the ol' blood pressure down.
This game jumped the last shark with playable Undine ships. The idea that older Starfleet vessels still being in service as of 2410, pales far in comparison and makes more sense.
This game jumped the last shark with playable Undine ships. The idea that older Starfleet vessels still being in service as of 2410, pales far in comparison and makes more sense.
Nothing about this game makes sense anymore so there is no longer a foundation on which to argue against what ships make sense in what roles. Tier 6 Mirandas flying around and fighting competitively with later high end designs will look really stupid, but in this game, in the completely bastardized state it's in, it wouldn't be surprising at all.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
It's my understanding that the Nebula was an updated version of the Miranda, a tier 6 Miranda seems like a giant step backwards but....
Yeah, and I have Mirandas parked in my shuttle bay in my Nebula.
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While the Miranda-class itself is quite old, it was still in use during the Dominion War in frontline service, and not just some ship worthy of only being used in the safest, quietest areas of Federation space. These ships weren't weak to a point that they were only good for acting as security / police actions where the only thing they worry about is the random smuggler or something. It saw FRONTLINE use in the Dominion War. And old ships like Mirandas, B'Rels, K'T'Ingas continued to see FRONTLINE combat service. And in STO, they continue to see frontlline action.
just like to point out... that 95% of the miranda's that saw action in the major battles shown on DS9. ended up exploding.
Which makes them the Redshirts of Starfleet Frontline vessels. Therefor, have no reason to be at T5/T6.
Neither does the ST3-era Excelsior, but it was for the longest time the HARDEST hitting ship in the game. Still one of the top tier DPS machines so far.
For that matter, the Ambassador class shouldn't even be in this game at tier 5, but it is one of the better ship layout in the cruiser line.
The facts of the matter is: Age doesn't really mean much for end-game ships. It's just a visual. You can put any stats you want no matter how illogical (just ask the Cryptic folks, they do it every time). It's a popularity contest. Since end-game ships currently lack any real basic modification options we want the ship to look like we want it WHILE we fly it. If we can't customize and mix/match parts (and PRETEND this is an RPG) then we want to fly the one that we like the looks of best.
IMO if Cryptic started adding 3-4 "skins" for each T5 and C-store ship, allowing us to mix-match parts like the Advanced Fleet Escort, the Assault cruiser, and so forth, we wouldn't be hearing so much clammoring for early skins to be usable on end-game ships. It's because we have this lack of choice that we're asking for entirely new ships.
Let's face it, when it comes to starships and your personal choice, looks matter. Maybe not more than all other options, but just as much as all other options.
It's 100% OK to put in a request for absolutely anything.
I'll put in my request for peace and goodwill for Earth, and a snazzy new Tesla for me.
If I have to choose between the two, I think we all know what's the right thing to do - I'll take it in cherry red.
Please reconsider ARC. Please make it optional, at the least. PLEASE.
It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS.
Please reconsider ARC. Please make it optional, at the least. PLEASE.
It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS.
In order to offset the ship's age, I'd think that the Miranda should be brought to T6 as a Raider. Give it the flexible bridge officer stations, turn rate and weapons load-out of the Breen raider and call it good. We can still maintain the continuity of it being an old out of date ship pressed into service, while still being somewhat effective in end game missions. In theory the same could be done for the NX, Excalibur, Exeter and other Non-Constitution class 'cruisers' at Tier 1 / 2.
makes no diffrence to me if they add a tier 6 mirander or not, if i wanna fly one i will. i dont care if my 3 gun ship has no effect on a level 60 match if i wanna fly a cannon ship i wil l:cool:
makes no diffrence to me if they add a tier 6 mirander or not, if i wanna fly one i will. i dont care if my 3 gun ship has no effect on a level 60 match if i wanna fly a cannon ship i wil l:cool:
Even though the Miranda's turn rate is decent...ish, I would still recommend beams. :P
I just don't see it, players have been given a clear and final no for a Tier 5 Connie so now they a grasping for the closest thing they can get which is just not gonna happen for pretty much the same reasons. CBS may not have made any direct prohibitions but the ship has already been relegated to the role of a starter ship, for it to end up in end game would be ridiculous. To be frank, I don't see the attraction, STO's version of the ship is a very poor rendition of the design. Like many of the ships in this game that are supposed to be reproductions of those from the franchise I have to wonder if the people who designed them had ever seen the show.:rolleyes:
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
I just don't see it, players have been given a clear and final no for a Tier 5 Connie
Which has nothing to do with this thread. A totally different ship. A totally different tier.
so now they a grasping for the closest thing they can get which is just not gonna happen for pretty much the same reasons.
Well there's your problem. You can't fathom that some people are just fans of the Miranda? And those people want to fly their favorite ship at end-game?
That's all it is. That's all it ever is.
What ships are your favorites?
but the ship has already been relegated to the role of a starter ship
The klingon starter ship and a variant of the romulan starter ship can be flown at end-game.
So it's not unreasonable for people who happen to be fans of the fed starter ship to want to fly that starter ship at end-game.
for it to end up in end game would be ridiculous.
The USS Centaur was shown fighting and SURVIVING the battle of Cardassia and had enough armament to go toe to toe with Jem'Hadar Attack Ships (so much so that they were on patrol to chase bug ships away when they encountered Sisko in a bug ship ... as in, that was the Centaur's JOB).
The USS Centaur is on screen doing what you seem to think is ridiculous.
It's canon that a "starter ship" in STO can withstand an end-game ship in STO.
So now all that needs to be done is for the devs to finally get on the ball and make a T6 Centaur and its variants.
CBS has broken it's own rule on Tiers/Class over and over within the KDF. Basically the same Klingon Cruiser or Bird of Prey design - over and over again from T1 to T5. Only tweaked in appearance, size and ability.
How much bigger and more powerful was the Section 31 Dreadnaught compared to the Enterprise in ST: Into Darkness?? It was the same hull design upgraded.
Sorry for going to JJ-Trek for an example but technically speaking there is no reason Starfleet cannot make a 2409, Tier 6 Miranda. People say Klingon Intelligence is an oxymoron, yet Starfleet cannot upgrade a proven hull design to 2409 standards?? Bogus!
Canon ships have a big fan base, it does not matter if they are old or not people want to fly the real Trek ships they love and they know.
We have ship designs from the 22nd Century (Klingon Somraw, Xindi Aquatic Dreadnought, Xindi Escort, Romulan T'varo, Vulcan D'Kyr) and 23rd Century (Klingon D7, Klingon K'tinga, Starfleet Excelsior, Klingon B'rel).
I certainly hope that some of the new ships will be based on or have similar lines to some of the older designs. The new ships shouldn't all be radical departures from existing past designs. Except maybe the Borg. I think they can start with some different shapes. Throw in a Borg pyramid shaped vessel or a Borg hexagon-shaped vessel.
I really don't understand why some players here have so much hate for the Miranda class as a T6 ship.
Yes, it's old, but we've already established OLDER ships as end-game ships in STO, so the age argument doesn't really hold water.
Also, if you really need to have some type of logical explanation that negates the age issue then the devs can just use a modified version of the same weak explanation they used for giving us the Andorian Kumari (a 22nd Century ship) as a T5 ship ... here's an example:
"The Miranda class served as the backbone of Starfleet in the late 23rd and early 24th centuries. This light cruiser served a multi-mission role as an escort/patrol ship, short range exploration cruiser, and even preliminary scientific survey missions. This iconic vessel served as a foundation for the development of many later ships, but the Miranda Retrofit line is a direct improvement over the original Miranda design using the latest developments in Federation technology."
If you didn't notice, all I did was take the dev's description of the Kumari escort and change the words "Kumari" to "Miranda" ... and changed a line about how the Miranda served in Starfleet since the Kumari escort's description obviously wasn't an "exact" fit.
The bottom line is that if we can fly around in 22nd century ships (excuse me ... ships that were "inspiried" by 22nd century ships) as end-game ships now then there's no reason that we can't fly around in a 23rd century ship (or a ship that's "inspired" by the 23rd century ship).
There is NOTHING stopping the devs from making the Miranda class a T6 ship unless CBS specifically says "no" as they did with the Constitution class.
In the immortal words of Captain Sisko: "It may not be what you believe, but that doesn't make it wrong."
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
.....but give the option of using the Miranda/starter ship skins on it. That way those who don't think that the Miranda 'design' should be at T6 can use the Merian skin, and those who want to fly a Miranda class at endgame are also happy.
And I'm FAIRLY sure that they have some scope to use the Merian design - it was designed by Mark Rademaker, who designed the, obviously already in-game, Vesta class
I'll "+1" that idea!
In the immortal words of Captain Sisko: "It may not be what you believe, but that doesn't make it wrong."
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
.....but give the option of using the Miranda/starter ship skins on it. That way those who don't think that the Miranda 'design' should be at T6 can use the Merian skin, and those who want to fly a Miranda class at endgame are also happy.
And I'm FAIRLY sure that they have some scope to use the Merian design - it was designed by Mark Rademaker, who designed the, obviously already in-game, Vesta class
The developers, if I'm not mistaken, said something about not using third party designs in the future.
Correct me if I'm wrong. In the firestorm of the last week or two, I may have read it in passing.
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You've got your romulan designs mixed up. The T'Varo predates the T'Liss. The T'Varo is the ship from the show Enterprise. The T'Liss is the Romulan Warbird from The Original Series.
That being said, it is Canon. And despite the obviousness of various dead horse threads, I do support more ship diversity.
I believe everyone should fly the ship they like they most. Whether that's the B'Rel, T'Liss, Miranda, or whatever. If that's what they want to fly at the end, I personally have no problem with that.
B'rel and T'Varo both have C-Store and Fleet versions, and the T'Varo also has a mirror version - so really, your official answer is no, some T1 ships are allowed T5 Retrofits.
Yup, this is my opinion. If you don't like it you don't have to use it.
At the end of the day we all fly pretend space pixels, does it really matter what shape those pixels come in? Canon or fresh concept, traditional design methods or radically different...as long as the player knows how to use it I don't get why it's such a big deal.
This is such a specious and annoying strawman that creeps into every single one of these discussions.
And it has no place here. I mean, there's T'Varos there's Excelsiors there's Nebulas there's D'Kyrs, there's ships from every era, every alien species imaginable available at the end-game.
I'll tell you what's next.
Quidditch.
I want to fly the Nimbus 2000 broomstick in PvP at end-game. And I want to see my fleetmates in Fred Flintstone's car. COMPLETE with brontosaurus burger console that tips it at the prehistoric drive in. I want a batmobile circa the 1966 tv show. I want to fly the jet pack from that one episode of Gilligan's Island. I want to ride a pony like Shane while impersonating Paul Revere shouting the British are coming since the BPL opens this coming weekend. I want Johnny Manziel to be able to pass to Josh Gordon all 16 weeks of the NFL season. So does Jordan Cameron. I want Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving to film another 16 new Uncle Drew commercials. I want Lebron in a few of them. I want Pete Rose in the hall of fame. I want peace in the middle east. I want Qatar to not host the world cup. I want the Ukraine to not get invaded. I want better health care.
What's next? ALL of this is next!
You sell yourself and the game too short if all you shoot for is a model T.
It can provide much more than that.
And a T6 Miranda to boot.
The problem is that a single idiot can ask more questions than a thousand wise men can answer.
Do we really need an official dev reply every time someone throws an obvious joke suggestion out in the open?
In this game we have Dinosaurs with frikkin' laser-beams attached to their heads! A T6 Miranda sure wouldn't look strange next to that. :P Just never gonna happen, is all.
While the Miranda-class itself is quite old, it was still in use during the Dominion War in frontline service, and not just some ship worthy of only being used in the safest, quietest areas of Federation space. These ships weren't weak to a point that they were only good for acting as security / police actions where the only thing they worry about is the random smuggler or something. It saw FRONTLINE use in the Dominion War. And old ships like Mirandas, B'Rels, K'T'Ingas continued to see FRONTLINE combat service. And in STO, they continue to see frontlline action.
Not only that, as I already mentioned, there are more modern designs Starfleet has further developed in the style of the Miranda: Saucer, lack of Engineering Hull, Nacelles, and some with a superstructure / mission pod. Nebula for instance is nothing more than a massively scaled Miranda which bases itself from its regular sibling.
How there is no more truer Starfleet ships at endgame along the Miranda-class design than the Nebula is stupid. But hey, you got crazy looking made up Starfleet ships and an upcoming one that looks like a bottle cap opener.
t6 miranda ftw!
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
You misunderstand. I was referring to jonsills comment that all of the Mirandas dated back to the 23rd Century.
The five digit registry numbers seen on vessels, in canon, are generally accepted as being constructed in the 24th Century. The highest seen for a Miranda on-screen, if I'm not mistaken, was 31xxx (or 32xxx, if what some are saying about the U.S.S. Sitak is correct).
The U.S.S. Brattain (NCC-21166) was commissioned in 2345, on stardate 22519.5
So, while I believe you are correct about CBS's restriction, it wasn't what I was referring to when I responded to jonsills post.
I would give up on that if I were you. Helps keep the ol' blood pressure down.
This game jumped the last shark with playable Undine ships. The idea that older Starfleet vessels still being in service as of 2410, pales far in comparison and makes more sense.
Good luck.
Yeah, and I have Mirandas parked in my shuttle bay in my Nebula.
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just like to point out... that 95% of the miranda's that saw action in the major battles shown on DS9. ended up exploding.
Which makes them the Redshirts of Starfleet Frontline vessels. Therefor, have no reason to be at T5/T6.
For that matter, the Ambassador class shouldn't even be in this game at tier 5, but it is one of the better ship layout in the cruiser line.
The facts of the matter is: Age doesn't really mean much for end-game ships. It's just a visual. You can put any stats you want no matter how illogical (just ask the Cryptic folks, they do it every time). It's a popularity contest. Since end-game ships currently lack any real basic modification options we want the ship to look like we want it WHILE we fly it. If we can't customize and mix/match parts (and PRETEND this is an RPG) then we want to fly the one that we like the looks of best.
IMO if Cryptic started adding 3-4 "skins" for each T5 and C-store ship, allowing us to mix-match parts like the Advanced Fleet Escort, the Assault cruiser, and so forth, we wouldn't be hearing so much clammoring for early skins to be usable on end-game ships. It's because we have this lack of choice that we're asking for entirely new ships.
Let's face it, when it comes to starships and your personal choice, looks matter. Maybe not more than all other options, but just as much as all other options.
I'll put in my request for peace and goodwill for Earth, and a snazzy new Tesla for me.
If I have to choose between the two, I think we all know what's the right thing to do - I'll take it in cherry red.
It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS.
It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS.
That's misinformation. There's never been a post by anyone at Cryptic or CBS about the Miranda at end-game. Not one single post or comment. Ever.
I'd like to point out that in DS9 95% of the ships that faced the Jem'Hadar, no matter what kind of ship they were, ended up exploding.
The only ones that consistently did not explode either had Sisko, Gul Dukat or Worf on board.
Even though the Miranda's turn rate is decent...ish, I would still recommend beams. :P
Also, expect what happened to these Mirandas to happen to you frequently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbGs93JFfb0
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
Though they would probably get nerfed right away.
Which has nothing to do with this thread. A totally different ship. A totally different tier.
Well there's your problem. You can't fathom that some people are just fans of the Miranda? And those people want to fly their favorite ship at end-game?
That's all it is. That's all it ever is.
What ships are your favorites?
The klingon starter ship and a variant of the romulan starter ship can be flown at end-game.
So it's not unreasonable for people who happen to be fans of the fed starter ship to want to fly that starter ship at end-game.
The USS Centaur was shown fighting and SURVIVING the battle of Cardassia and had enough armament to go toe to toe with Jem'Hadar Attack Ships (so much so that they were on patrol to chase bug ships away when they encountered Sisko in a bug ship ... as in, that was the Centaur's JOB).
The USS Centaur is on screen doing what you seem to think is ridiculous.
It's canon that a "starter ship" in STO can withstand an end-game ship in STO.
So now all that needs to be done is for the devs to finally get on the ball and make a T6 Centaur and its variants.
The end.
How much bigger and more powerful was the Section 31 Dreadnaught compared to the Enterprise in ST: Into Darkness?? It was the same hull design upgraded.
Sorry for going to JJ-Trek for an example but technically speaking there is no reason Starfleet cannot make a 2409, Tier 6 Miranda. People say Klingon Intelligence is an oxymoron, yet Starfleet cannot upgrade a proven hull design to 2409 standards?? Bogus!
I certainly hope that some of the new ships will be based on or have similar lines to some of the older designs. The new ships shouldn't all be radical departures from existing past designs. Except maybe the Borg. I think they can start with some different shapes. Throw in a Borg pyramid shaped vessel or a Borg hexagon-shaped vessel.
Yes, it's old, but we've already established OLDER ships as end-game ships in STO, so the age argument doesn't really hold water.
Also, if you really need to have some type of logical explanation that negates the age issue then the devs can just use a modified version of the same weak explanation they used for giving us the Andorian Kumari (a 22nd Century ship) as a T5 ship ... here's an example:
"The Miranda class served as the backbone of Starfleet in the late 23rd and early 24th centuries. This light cruiser served a multi-mission role as an escort/patrol ship, short range exploration cruiser, and even preliminary scientific survey missions. This iconic vessel served as a foundation for the development of many later ships, but the Miranda Retrofit line is a direct improvement over the original Miranda design using the latest developments in Federation technology."
If you didn't notice, all I did was take the dev's description of the Kumari escort and change the words "Kumari" to "Miranda" ... and changed a line about how the Miranda served in Starfleet since the Kumari escort's description obviously wasn't an "exact" fit.
The bottom line is that if we can fly around in 22nd century ships (excuse me ... ships that were "inspiried" by 22nd century ships) as end-game ships now then there's no reason that we can't fly around in a 23rd century ship (or a ship that's "inspired" by the 23rd century ship).
There is NOTHING stopping the devs from making the Miranda class a T6 ship unless CBS specifically says "no" as they did with the Constitution class.
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
I'll "+1" that idea!
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
The developers, if I'm not mistaken, said something about not using third party designs in the future.
Correct me if I'm wrong. In the firestorm of the last week or two, I may have read it in passing.