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    z3ndor99z3ndor99 Member Posts: 1,391 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Its like everyone says " its the pilot that makes the bird of prey ", after blowing up more times than a Michael Bay movie, my admiration for top flight bop pilots never fades.
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    nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I fly my Fleet B'rel in space stf's every once in a while without too much trouble.

    Here's what I run

    Bridge Officer Layout

    Cmd Tac: TT1, C:SV1, B:O3, AP:O3/AP:B3
    LtCmd Eng: EPtW1, Aux2Bat1, EPtS3
    Lt Eng: ET1, Aux2Bat1
    Lt Sci: HE1, ST2

    Weapons Layout

    3xADHC, Experimental Proton Weapon
    1xATurret, 1xOmni Antiproton Beam

    Equipment

    Assimilated Deflector and Engine with Elite Fleet Resilient Shield and I believe that free core that gives the bonus to antiproton damage when combined with the omni beam.

    Consoles

    Engineering: Assimilated, Tachyokinetic, Proton Stabilizer, Fleet RCS [ResAll]
    Science: Romulan Emitter Array console with bonus plasma damage, 2xField Generators
    Tactical: 3xVL Antiproton

    Probably not the best build out there, but its survivable enough and I do between 10 and 14k damage in pug ise which isn't terrible. For those not wanting to go aux2bat you can also use damage control engineers and run something very similar.
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    catliketypingcatliketyping Member Posts: 611
    edited May 2014
    I have thought about a BA broadside BoP, especially with flanking, but i prefer forward weapons because it is more traditional, i guess. DBBs or DHCs, plus a torpedo or two. Well, my true prefernnce is the General Chang approach, but i am working with my Hoh'sus and Norgh right now (until they un-easy mode the new photon torpedos).

    It is all a work in progress, and i mostly dont stick to one loadout for long in case i overlooked something. Of course, some of it is fundamental for me, like forward arc weapons, or GW1. I dont necessarily recommend what i do because the preference are often so personal with all the universal seating. It's not like i am talking about my Avenger build.

    I like to think my stuff works most of the time, which is why i post it... not as an example to copy, but just to show that it can work. I like the Ratatouille approach to BoP recipes... if i can cook, so can you.
    Nessia (KDF Sci)
    IKS Korrasami (Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit T5-U)
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    patientnr0patientnr0 Member Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    My KDF-Sci usually uses the Fleet-Norgh with disable Skills/GW3, Polaron DHCs and Bio-Neural WH or Hargh'peng with the Jem'Hadar Set.
    I don't die very often and it does good dmg even with pugs.
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    shadokittyshadokitty Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    After seeing two differing opinions, it makes me curious. I have a Gorn Lt. Cmdr that I am leveling, who flies exclusively BOPs. How would I do with him in STFS when I get to high enough level, after flying all BOPs through his entire career?
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    catliketypingcatliketyping Member Posts: 611
    edited May 2014
    shadokitty wrote: »
    After seeing two differing opinions, it makes me curious. I have a Gorn Lt. Cmdr that I am leveling, who flies exclusively BOPs. How would I do with him in STFS when I get to high enough level, after flying all BOPs through his entire career?

    I've done ISE, KSE, CSE, CCE in a variety of BoPs... from the Hegh'ta to the Fleet Norgh/Hoh'sus, plus the B'rel Retrofit.

    I feel that if I can learn to do it, anyone can.

    You aren't a BFAW cruiser, but is that so bad?

    It's still a fun way to play, and still viable. It was viable before the hull boost & Flanking, and it's a little more viable now than it was before.

    It just takes practice & commitment to a different style of play. It's not a carrier, and it's not a cruiser, and it's not an escort. Heck, it takes time for me to adjust from my B'rel to my Norgh... ranges and tactics are just different.

    Yes, the lack of hull & shields makes the margins a little smaller, and the gameplay a little more "technical" because you need to play on the razor's edge a lot... but that's part of the charm. Plus, the universal slots allow you to plug all sorts of holes when you PUG STFs.

    It's never going to be "safe", and the ride is a difficult one, but I think it's some of the more rewarding space gameplay in this whole mess because it's not quite as brainless as other styles of play.
    Nessia (KDF Sci)
    IKS Korrasami (Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit T5-U)
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    dragonsbrethrendragonsbrethren Member Posts: 1,854 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I've done all the Borg STFs except Hive in a B'rel Retrofit I picked up during the ship sale, along with (still kinda stupid-broken damage in parts) Breach, Crystalline, and Viscous Cycle all on Elite. Let me just say that going back to it, my Vor'cha feels invincible now. :D

    They're definitely all doable, though. Really my biggest complaint with the B'rel is that I also have a T'varo, which is just way better for the same play style. I can't resist the lure of such an iconic ship, though, so I'll keep flying the BoP until I make it work for me.
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    catliketypingcatliketyping Member Posts: 611
    edited May 2014
    I like the T'varo. It doesnt have the flexibility of a B'rel. The B'rel isnt as good of a Tac ship, in general, but the BOFF seats on the B'rel open up many different choices that the T'varo doesnt have. All things being equal, i would choose the B'rel due to seating, but Romulan Operative access does mean a lot for the T'varo, especially if you run the B'rel as a Tac bird.

    Of course, if i can use a T'varo, why wouldnt i use an Ar'kif or Scimitar instead? I bounce between the T'varo, Ar'kif, and D'deridex on my Rom Tac all the time (since i dont want a Scimitar). I look at the D'deridex as a big mean BoP with that console configuration.

    Sometimes i compare the B'rel and T'varo. Other times, all the other variables make comparison difficult. Both are superb ships, though.
    Nessia (KDF Sci)
    IKS Korrasami (Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit T5-U)
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    icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    here is my BoP Alone its a death trap it either kills or dies but in a group its so damn fast it is devastating.

    I have the one heavy turret even with low weapon power just so it sprayes the enemy with the guaranteed proc. and then only if I ever fully uncloak
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    jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    shadokitty wrote: »
    After seeing two differing opinions, it makes me curious. I have a Gorn Lt. Cmdr that I am leveling, who flies exclusively BOPs. How would I do with him in STFS when I get to high enough level, after flying all BOPs through his entire career?

    Difficult to say. It depends on how well you can currently fly your BoPs and how quickly to can adapt to a change in difficulty level.

    I can handle myself pretty well in the elite STF missions that I do. Many times I can play them without dying, but dying in a BoP is in generally pretty common. I fly an un-optimized ship. No Doffs slotted for their space abilities. No special equipment that cannot be bought on the Exchange for 200k EC or less other than 2 pieces of equipment from the "A Step Between Stars" from the February event. Boffs that have not been promoted beyond Lt. Cmdr.

    Why I am flying with an un-optimized ship? I like the challenge that I am currently facing. It forces me to think and rely on strategy and tactics rather than special abilities. It's easy for me get the Omega / Romulan rep gear to fully optimize my ship and it's easy to tweak my Boffs. But that can take away from the challenge and make my T5 Hegh'ta Heavy BoP no longer fun to fly.
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    orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2014
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    icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    I love your BOFF's names.

    lol yeah I got a bunch of them makes it faster sorting them out.
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    edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Who cares what ship you fly in a stfs?? lol.

    I fly watever ship i want, i have a different ship in every toon, so thats the one i use in stfs. Sometimes it is the DSD, sometimes is the breen chet, sometimes the kumari, sometimes the bortasqu, sometimes the arkif, sometimes a runabout... :D (im kidding of course). And of course i use 2 of my BoPs of my klingon toons. I meant, is there any requirement i am not aware off for using some ships in stfs? :eek:
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    catliketypingcatliketyping Member Posts: 611
    edited May 2014
    Who cares what ship you fly in a stfs?? lol.

    I fly watever ship i want, i have a different ship in every toon, so thats the one i use in stfs. Sometimes it is the DSD, sometimes is the breen chet, sometimes the kumari, sometimes the bortasqu, sometimes the arkif, sometimes a runabout... :D (im kidding of course). And of course i use 2 of my BoPs of my klingon toons. I meant, is there any requirement i am not aware off for using some ships in stfs? :eek:

    Some people have the attitude that "If you're not in a BFAW/A2B battlecruiser, then you suck". Not that there's anything wrong with BFAW/A2B (other than the obvious), since I run that kind of thing on my Starfleet Eng... it's just that there's obviously too many people running that FOTM build.

    There's also the perception that a BoP will die all the time, not carry the weight, not do anything helpful in a ESTF.

    I use BoPs all the time. My main BoPs run Commander Sci in the BOFF seats now (both my B'rel and Fleet Hoh'sus)... so it's not like I wish I had an Escort or Raptor.

    Despite Science focus, I think ESTFs are easy, and it's fun when I see an almost-all Escort/Raptor/Raider/light Warbird group because there's no cruiser to cover for you... which is kind of rare, admittedly.
    Nessia (KDF Sci)
    IKS Korrasami (Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit T5-U)
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    lomax6996lomax6996 Member Posts: 512 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    jaguarskx wrote: »
    I'm just wondering why am I not seeing any fellow BoP captains doing STFs? I am flying the Hegh'ta Heavy BoP.

    I mostly play STFs with my Fed toon, but I still do a decent number of STFs with my KDF toon currently working on completing Omega Tier 4 and collecting BNPs. Also working on Romulan Tier 2. I got plenty of Nukara marks, but not really interested in doing that rep system.

    The thing is I hardly see anyone flying BoPs. I think the last time I saw a fellow "BoP'er" was around 3 week ago... can't remember if it was a B'rel Retrofit in whatever STF I was playing at the time. I can't even recall seeing a fellow BoP'er beyond that one instance.

    With the recent addition of the Flanking Bonus I was moved to bring the old Fleet Norgh out of mothballs and give it a run. For some time, now, my ship of choice has been a Fleet Torkaht. I can say I am LOVING the Norgh all over again (though still wish I could get a B'Rel or Hegh'Ta skin for it!) and have, recently, been running STF's on a regular basis in it and enjoying it immensely! Damage is awesome and the Pheonix is a tough old bird. Recently ran an Elite Infected Space where the Pheonix was the ONLY ship that didn't die even once heheheh. Feel free to send me a friend request (Keth@Lomax6996) and maybe we can hook up sometime to show them how a Klingon fights/flies a BOP! :D
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    jaegernljaegernl Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    There's also the perception that a BoP will die all the time, not carry the weight, not do anything helpful in a ESTF.

    That's such a weird idea. STF's have been around for ages. People have been doing STF's in Birds-of-Prey for such a long time. Before all the reputation and lockbox madness, there were lots of Birds-of-Prey in STF's, and we did just fine. Now, even more-so, with all the power creep and the fact that the STF's haven't gotten any harder.
    Isaac the Adequate - Level 70 Oath of Devotion Paladin
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    There's also the perception that a BoP will die all the time, not carry the weight, not do anything helpful in a ESTF.
    jaegernl wrote: »
    That's such a weird idea. STF's have been around for ages. People have been doing STF's in Birds-of-Prey for such a long time. Before all the reputation and lockbox madness, there were lots of Birds-of-Prey in STF's, and we did just fine. Now, even more-so, with all the power creep and the fact that the STF's haven't gotten any harder.

    Folks picture the BoP as fragile. They fly their ships that they envision as not being fragile. They get blown up all the time. They figure the BoP will get blown up even faster. The problem isn't with the BoP though...

    ...the problem is why are they getting blown up outside of the random STF with supercharged Borg that 1-2 shot everything (heh, got into another one of those after forever last night - joined an in progress ISE where the optional had been failed, wondered how that had happened, figured I would just get the daily box and avoid the leaver penalty, engaged - and - got obliterated. Was a trip, everybody getting 1-2 shot. Everybody did leave, no leaver penalty, and went on to do a regular ol' ISE without the super charged Borg)...?

    They figure their awesome build is dying - so things like BoPs must get absolutely shredded.

    It's simply not the case...they need to look at themselves, honestly - quit laying the blame elsewhere and making false assumptions about other ships. (Course, I've got a healer that needs all sorts of Omega Marks - so I'm kind of happy those folks are still there, keeps me busy during an ISE run and they're usually thankful that I kept them alive rather than complaining that I might as well have been throwing cottonballs at the Borg.)

    And heh, now with the Flanking and Improved Ambush - that just takes the fun of flying a BoP to a new level...wheeeee!
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    macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited June 2014
    BoP are fine in Elite STF. Max weapon power and engine and have some defensive powers (haz /PH / EptS). Use your speed and battle cloak strategically. You will die once and a while but it is no big deal.

    I wouldn't recommend doing new Undine STFs in a BoP though. Too much spam and AoE damage and of course the space snot. It can be done but it is annoying and painful ... especially in a pug.
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    vexashenvexashen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Honestly I fly my Fleet B'rel all the time in stfs. My issue isnt how tanky it is. I know its not. My issue is I pull agro off everyone and HAVE to tank. The right build with all reps maxed out and a few lobi consoles and some crazy expensive doffs make it a great ship with tons of fire power. But you arent going to build an amazing bop on a small budget. Ive got 600 lobi in mine and about 120 million ec in doffs plus a ton of fleet gear. Its a big investment sure but its great fun out damaging 80% of the faw cruisers in the queues. It would just be nice if they would throw a heal my direction once in a while ;)
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    ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited June 2014
    Well since the OP started this, I have slowly been converting most of my toons from the APB/FAW boats to... you guessed it... escorts and bops.

    And I am loving it.

    So to the OP, yes my B'Rel is doing just fine.

    Is it leet dmg? No, but it certainly does better than most of the players struggling in the game. Is it tankable? - hell no. Generally i am moving to fast to be a real target, and for that purpose I TRIBBLE things close enough to be a target when necessary.
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    staq16staq16 Member Posts: 1,181 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    For a change of place, I've been running an A2B Fleet Norgh in STFs of late (up until the Fed Patrol Escort rerelease, they only ship in game able to run A2B with 2 x Lt Cdr slots). It's performed just fine in STFs and Undine Elite missions. I don't parse but I am able to spend most of the time mixing it, with the ability to keep DHCs in the rear arc of an enemy vessel particularly useful against Undine. Critically, having just tried switching back to a Fleet Pegh'qu, I don't feel much more survivable - when one of those big crits whacks you, it's goodnight with very little choice.

    As a build, it may not be optimal - FAW crusiers with an Eng captain seem to be the way to go as they can weather excessive STF crit madness - but it's a fun change of pace and seems perfectly viable.
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    jaegernljaegernl Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    While A2B may be over-used at times - people seem to slap it on just about anything - I agree with the person above me. The Norgh is an awesome A2B platform. You could, if you wanted to, have Science Team 3 on global for extra tank.

    Lately, I've been moving away from A2B, though. I tend to go more Science heavy so I value my aux. The Nukara T4 trait is actually quite nice at 130 aux, and the Norgh has plenty of room for a non-a2b build. Doffed Aux2dampeners has my fancy, now.
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    jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I love to chill and do odd configs in my B'rel - and yes, I take it into ESTFs

    My recent B'rel fun

    The original footage is 2 hours long and still up on my Twitch feed (Jockey79), the Youtube playlist is just some highlights (about 20 mins).
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    magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I pugged my way through every STF, got all the accolades, and kicked tail. I chewed up Borg Sphere's and went toe to toe with Cubes. It maybe flimsy but a BoP is lethal if built right and you know what to do with them. The ones I seen who thought they weren't good for STF's flew their BoP's like a cruiser. If you just sit there like a lump and don't use the advantages of speed and manueverability then you can expect to be respawning a lot.
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    corelogikcorelogik Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I fly a Fleet B'rel for everything. I normally do Tau Dewa Patrol in the Japori System, ANR, CSE, KSE, ISE and then ANR again, daily. At least while I'm still repping up Rom.

    I occasionally die if I catch a bad pug, but I can handle most groups of Tholians in ANR alone and even solo one whole side of CSE, including the cube. It takes me a bit longer than others maybe, but I can and do, do it regularly. Alone. In a BoP.

    I am of the opinion that playing Trek is not all about pumping out as much raw damage as possible. I like to keep my ships at least a little bit canon. I use Phasers on my Defiant, Disruptors on my Klingon and Plasma on my Romulan.

    I'm not interested in PvP, or Min/Maxing anything. I'm about having fun and enjoying what I'm playing. That said, I do have a Fleet Somraw and a Fleet Mogh. Both in the shipyard for the longest time.

    My BoP is FUN to fly, FUN to fight and can hold it's own in any STF I've tried so far, or have any interest in playing.

    Link to my build; http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=iksfarusadin_7678
    With that setup, I have the following; Hull: 40,994, Shields; 10,607. Not bad for the 'useless glass cannon'. Heh

    Oh, and I tend to name all of my ships after civilian ships of the fleet in BSG. =)
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    jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Still flying around in my BoP. Having so much fun the I have neglected the Mirror Qin I have on the side. It is all setup and ready to go, but has never left spacedock.

    I made a minor tweak to my build since my original post back in May. Because I have flown so many STF that did not have ships doing crowd control, I decided to devote a Lt Cmdr universal console to my science Boff so that i can use GW1. Also switched out for a deflector that improve exotic damage.

    Took a break from doing the rep system during the Risa Event to farm for favors and sell 'em on the exchange. Used a bit of that for a Mirror Negh'var Battle Cruiser since I need a beam boat for the Voth and Undine elite STFs. Omega Rep is complete and New Romulan Rep should be done this weekend.

    Once I finish with the Rom Rep, I guess I start loading up rep gear on my BoP... but I have to admit it is really fun just doing eSTFs with "vendor trash". So much so that I am a bit reluctant to change gear...
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    lomax6996lomax6996 Member Posts: 512 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Gen. Keth commands a Fleet Norgh. I've taken that into most of the ESTF's at one time or another and often still do. I like my BOP. It is a different style of play from a cruiser... but it's supposed to be. I often take it into CE Elite. Usually the only time I *pop* is when I'm not paying attention and don't beat feet outta there when it starts absorbing and get caught in the blast radius when it stops. Once in a while I'll get gang-banged by a row of shards, but not often. As long as I pay attention to the absorption warnings I usually get through without popping and often place 2nd or 3rd.

    I haven't done many of the newer space STF's (none of the Undine). Mostly stick to CSE, Infected and Khitomer. I suppose, eventually, I'll get around to the others... but, to be honest, I haven't much cared for the new content since the Romulan release.

    If you're looking for a BOP buddy feel free to friend me (Keth@Lomax6996) and pop me an invite if I'm on. Would love to get a BOP squadron together to fly regularly. A squadron of D7's as well. My dream is to go in to some events with two well appointed D7's and 3 BOP's. :P
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    rickpaaarickpaaa Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    When I find troubles in ESTFs is when there is no tanky cruiser that's speced in threat. But even then, I can survive in my BoP. You just have to know when to run like hell. Sometimes for Borg ESTFs, I use tractor beam repulsors or gravity well as a screen or high yield torps of doom.

    A couple of days ago, I completed a Hive Space elite on my fleet HoH'Sus. Thanks to a great group, I only dies twice.

    A serious help for any raider or escort is the Counter Command/Undine space sets. Evasion is a winner! :D
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    norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I have one char, an eng, that only flies BOP. And I do a fair bit of STF on him. CCE gives a little trouble -- it seems to have since 9.5 an upgraded 100% shield bypass medium hit that it can either spam or something. Pre 9.5, no issue, but since, I struggle with full shields and a low hull with the BOP.

    I fly the fleet norgh and the new mirror. I like the new mirror a lot. I was going to get a fleet HH someday but now I will see what comes out in the next expansion.

    Flanking is huge and really helped this character along. In the mirror ship I see scrolling 7k hits of joy with flanked DHC, and this is not a major character (lacks gear) so I am sure that can be improved.
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