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rank and ship upgrade in october - and the re-grind of numerous toons begins :(
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all passionate and proud pvpers detest grinding ships/gear in order to keep his chars up to date with high-end equipment.
I just hope they'll upgrade the already existing lockbox/exchange gear aswell as the lockbox ships otherwise it would be another "bitchslap" from cryptic for all pvpers who invested plenty of time and patience of farming aswell as much money for it
if they dont, then i really dont know if it's worth to continue pvping and the efforts of putting more time for grinding and purchasing the whole gear and ships again really
I just hope they'll upgrade the already existing lockbox/exchange gear aswell as the lockbox ships otherwise it would be another "bitchslap" from cryptic for all pvpers who invested plenty of time and patience of farming aswell as much money for it
if they dont, then i really dont know if it's worth to continue pvping and the efforts of putting more time for grinding and purchasing the whole gear and ships again really
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Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
I still use my skill and timing to beat people in pvp but this game seams to be going away from actual player skill to a who has the best gear game
So if anyone wants to 1vs1 before the gear grind gets to much for me hit me up soon1 :P
The last time they upgraded ships with the fleet system they bumped all the existing lockbox ships up to = or better then fleet spec.
If I have to mess around with Zen store and even current fleet ships a bit I won't be to upset. If however I have to grind out tons of junk to make my uber lockbox ships Some of which I spent 300+ million EC on (getting 2 console sets ect) I will be disgusted to the point of leaving. We'll see. I'll wait to see the details before I freak to much. I think the summer grind showed that Cryptic at least somewhat understands many of us that haven't already are getting close to the uninstall threshold.
Guess we'll see they have till Oct. or so to impress us with a good balance of something to grind vs something to rage over.
lol.. really? And then they release crafting and delate all the crafting progess that some players made with a lot of effort and grind. That happend a few weeks ago.
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I had a bunch of full level crafters... know what. Never took me more then an hour or two to hit max under the old system. To top it off it didn't cost me D unless I really wanted to craft an aegis set or something. To be honest the old system didn't even need to exist. So no I wasn't bothered when they deleted my progress on it.
As far as the new system being expensive. Its only expensive if you have zero will power. I have a couple toons in around level 12 now... I have spend around 8000 D so far total. Cause if you look at it as just a good way to knock off an hour here and there to start something fresh before you log for the night... the D payment system isn't that bad. Its like gambling. Time to time I don't mind going out and having some fun for the night... some people though lack the will power to leave it at that. If someone is stupid enough to gamble till they don't have a home anymore... do I rage at the system or blame the moron that didn't know when to quit.
The new crafting system really isn't that bad. Some of the mods and traits are terrible... its lazy in general no argument there. Its still a major upgrade over the old joke of a system that no one deserved any credit at all for competing as you could go from zero to finished faster then you could compete one round of every qued pve map.
have fun kill bad guys
I grind it on the real old system, and it was a pain in the TRIBBLE. I didnt really care beacose I dont care about anything in this game, but I reed about some anoyed players and cryptic didnt even give a dam about them.
The same was when they convert our Emblems in dilithium when the game went F2P (or was before, dont remember when the convertion was).. months of work, months of grind just became 20k dilithium and belive me, ppl were mad in the day.. and the devs not even give a dam about it.
Maybe they changed, hell.. who knows.. but I am not going to put my hopes there.
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I was here for the mark conversion as well... again didn't bother me... to be honest I was very happy. 20k in D... damn you must have barely played. When they converted my pvp marks to D I had enough Refined D to buy EVERY single klingon ship in the game at the time. They also gave me enough unrefined that I didn't have to worry about earning it for months on those toons. They also gave me so much Experience that I still have toons with 7 or 8 million after starting tons of Fleet projects ect.
I honestly can't imagine anyone got screwed over by the f2p conversion. Those marks where useless, once you got yourself a full set of mk x weapons and gear what was there to do with them. NOTHING at all. So the fact that they converted them all into something as usable as D was killer. The experience they gave us at the time I remember thinking big deal what do I need this for... after the fleet and rep systems hit though... I was plenty happy about it.
No is not and no one will .There is a good side to this ...this time they will TRIBBLE up with pve heroes and that is good because they will learn the true face of Cryptic .till now was pve hero's wet dream ...non stop new pve and npcs ...now is time for them to feel how is to dump your hard earned stuffs.They laughed when pvp people had to delete their mk XII purple console bought from exchange for lots of ecs...now is my turn to laugh when they delete their fleet consoles.
Looks like you dont get bother when you loss all you have.. lol
I do, and I guess any normal player also.
Anyway, you keep trusting cryptic.. lol
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That is sort of my point I didn't loose anything... how did having 1000s of completely uselsss marks converted to somewhere in the range of a couple million D over all my toons really hurt me ? I thought the f2p conversion was great.
I also didn't mind when the fleet ships hit... and my old Lockbox ships all got a major bump. The extra console on my bug and galors... + shields and hull I wasn't complaining at all.
I was also able to pick up some fleet versions of some of the old ships I loved and use them with out being uncompetitive. Did it cost me a bit... sure but it cost me fake in game currency and what have I been earning it for anyway.
The crafting system... none of us lost anything because the grind involved in leveling it didn't exist. The old system wasn't hard to level. Your claim that it was so hard for you to level seems odd to me... as I KNOW it was hardly a grind at all. We didn't deserve any credit for it. Even if they gave you a = amount of credit for having completed it. IMO that would have been like level 2-3 at most. So if they started all your schools at 2 or 3 would you have been happy ? I doubt it.
The new T6 style ships we don't know what is going to happen yet. They haven't given us the details. However based on previous experience I fully expect the lockboxs will get a bump if the new ships have increased stats. If it involves some form of upgrade... where the T6 say have a auxiliary warp core slot filled by default, and the T5 ships slot is empty until you craft one or something silly. I would bet he lockbox ships will get some form of leg up. (they don't like to upset there lockbox stream of revenue). If there is a minor grind to do something like that and make our old ships viable... and we get access to some nice refit refit refit refit T6 ships like the intrepid. Then no it doesn't upset me at all.
If you don't like change you really shouldn't be playing any online game. If things didn't change I would imagine most of us would get pretty darn bored pretty fast.
All established PvP fleets might be knocked down to the same level as upcoming fleets. Who knows, from the ashes, a new superpower will rise.
As I've always said, see what happens when it happens. No use worrying about ifs buts and when's.
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Million D? Sure.. I got the vet officer so I was capped and I only got 20 or 30k dil and the vet officer, and with embles you could buy evrything in the game! Now yes, was a better balance game, yes, there was not overpower stuff so is dilithium more valuable? Nhaa.. is just that there are more stuff to buy now. But the time that consume to make all thouse marks was not equibalent to the dil they give us!
Ohooo.. I see, you are a rich boy.. I was with only C Store ship and they force me to buy them again! Now is obius, if are rich (in game), is clear why you dont care.
Is clear now that you have a lot of time to grind this game, so what to a normal person maybe a pain in the TRIBBLE, to you it seems like a easy walk.
lol.. the typical answerd.. "if you dont like it, leave the game". And when that cames, I know is time to finsh a discucion beacose is not even worth it.
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I am not sure what you had to convert when f2p hit... beats me. Back then all I did was pvp though and ya I had a TON of marks. They where useless what was I going to do buy 20 sets of mk x weapons.
I'm hardly rich nor do I spend crazy amounts of time grinding. However I understand this is a MMO. Which means nothing I purchase is ever going to be my final purchase here. Its pretty standard in a MMO spend weeks or months grinding A golden set of armour... use if for a few weeks before a patch releases the New Etched Golden set of armour... use if for a few weeks before the next patch releases a Platinum set. Its the way all of these games work. If you are going to get upset by that really you should be playing a FPS or something. (half of which are grindy MMO style games now anyway)
You know people had 10 seasons to understand how it works.Everyone is a trained professional.
Where all just silly rabbits running on a tread mill for a carrot. We are not ever really allowed to have the carrot. Just when we are almost done running they move the carrot.
If you know this is the truth... you can either choose to enjoy the run or get off. I have gotten off a few times here and there. Have always ended up back though. As tread mill runs go STO isn't always that terrible... at least I get to pretend I'm Captian Kirk or Picard or a devious little Ferrengi with a heart of gold now and then. lmao
Seriously though its a MMO... they are all grindcore to some degree. We can debate that perhaps Cryptic has went to far in a few places... then again I have played many other MMOs, and in comparison STO doesn't rank all that badly. The only MMO that feels less of a grind pvp wise to me is GW2 where at least you can choose to play GW2 PvP mode where there is Zero grind. Which is very refreshing. I have said for a long time Cryptic should long ago have done the same thing here... given us PvP with a system like GW2 where NONE of your PvE ground stuff would be of any use at all.
kk, let's hope that the pvp community will proft from "TRIBBLE up the pve players" They definetely cannot afford to annoy the pve-community since they form the major percentage of all the sto players.
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Cryptic, nor any other MMORPG is under no obligation to give players anything.
You're assuming too much, especially when Geko explicitly stated that R&D will allow us to upgrade our gear. Even bound gear. And in the STLV panel, he stated that nothing will become obsolete.
Your statements are all unjustified.
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As far as i know I didnt mention all pvp-players only those who live PvP and are fully involved in it by spending time only in the arena queues.
They are not, but if they still regard the financial aspect and want to keep this game alive, then they should better include the desires of their customers. I dont know if the following slogan exists in english-speaking countries but in every german enterprise they act after this motto: "The customer is the king."
I still havent been informed about this statement of Gecko but if he really stated that, then these are truly good news. However, if I recall the past, the Devs have promised so much regarding bugfixes, changes of the game play and so on and they almost never kept it. As a result they cannot be take trustworthy anymore.
That is your opinion
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yes but pve heroes come and go.Just go look at your friends list and tell me which person who played only pve still plays. :rolleyes:
Time to make everything useless and start all over.Pvp players are used to geko laughing at them and their money ...now is time for pve heroes to feel the same treatment.
You said "all passionate and proud pvpers". You can not speak for all of them.
The desires of their customers, or any customers of anything, aren't always rational. Some are even in conflict. Picking and choosing their desires without an objective reason falls into the category of favoritism, plain and simple. Just because they're not doing what certain individuals want doesn't mean they're not doing the right thing.
Watch the last P1 and STOked Radio interviews. I think it's in the P1 interview though, but I'm too lazy to confirm. =p
That's right. So what? I'm trying to be reasonable here. If you want to disregard my views, that's your prerogative. But I can still express them.
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