Sairy, mate! Give 'er mour armor an shel be na able to keep orbit aroun any planet. Ye be takin a shuttle fir a light-year tae get ther!
A valid point here. Extra Hull, while nice and all, would mean cutting into the Odyssy's turn rate. Sure, it's not much of an issue if you mainly do broadsiding, and turn rate improves with seperation (and, oddly enough, certain genetic traits), but you have to admit, the Galaxy X still turns like a whale...
Well the federation is currently at war with basically everyone right now, while the federation in the mirror TNG universe was only at war with the Klingon Empire.
Admittedly the Gal-X is made for war, and the Oddy is not, but you would think with the almost 100 year difference in time between TNG and current STO that the Oddy would be a bit superior. But I digress, I think the real problem is the fact that the excelsior is one of the best aux2bat cruisers haha!
Anyway, the time period doesn't matter nearly as much as the class of the starship in my opinion. The Dreadnought and the Oddy are both the only dreadnought cruisers and the fleet dreadnought has more hull strength, I just want a small hull increase on the oddy to match the dreadnought.
I do fly the oddy because I find it fun, but I am a bit annoyed at the fleet dread, which I also fly haha.
Thank you for your input.
This was the raison detre given for the Avenger, a federation BATTLEcruiser.
If anything, and I have mentioned this a lot in the past, I think the Odyssey, as well as any other ships that have 3 consoles like that, rather than being classed as universal consoles and stuck taking up tactical, science, and engineering slot space, which by the way, is already somewhat limited, they should be reclassed as special consoles and a new row of 3 console slots added to all the ships on the game just for special consoles. This would make cash shop ships which, a lot of those come in 3 variations now with bonuses for having all three consoles on one ship, more appealing.
I like this idea of an "Omni" console. 3 slots an ships for exclusivly "omni" class hardware. And still have the option of using those special consoles in regular slots. The 3 "omni" from the Dyson trio for instance and still use a Point Defense Phaser turret, or Cloaking device console without sacrificing half of a ships total consoles.
The Galaxy class was built in a time of relative peace for the Federation, when it's ethos was to build ships which could carry out a varity of roles for Starfleet. It was Starfleets largest and most advanced vessel, and could operate for extended periods without support. However, I don't think it was intended to fight major engagements on the front lines until the Dominion arrived. That's when they really got extra armaments and defence upgrades (USS Venture).
The Sovereign class was developed as part of Starfleets response to the Borg. Obviously it wasn't ready for Wolf 359, as it was still on the drawing board. However, it too was multi mission, but the ethos of ship design had changed. After the losses at Wolf 359 and the early dominion engagements, it was clear that more firepower was required. I still think the Sovereign is a more powerful vessel, but it would asked to defend the Federation over a Galaxy class. The Sovereign in more nimble. It's still, the finest Starship ever built in my opinion and will happily stand toe-to-toe with the galaxy's greatest threats.
Other classes were developed for specific roles. Akira, Saber and Steamrunner classes were developed as Escorts and heavy cruisers. Akira's are probably as strong as a Galaxy in terms of firepower and I'd imagine these vessels are used as border patrols and to defend key installations.
Intrepid, Nebula and Nova classes are obviously not developed to fight. They can defend themselves and Nebulas obviously got similar upgrades to the Galaxy class, but they are ships of exploration and diplomacy.
Defiant class? Pure warship. Not good for much else other than fighting. I think, for its size, one of the most powerful ships every built. Could it distroy a Galaxy class on its own? No. Upgraded excelsior? Yes. The Lakota was in worse shape than the Defiant and although the Defiant was heavily damaged, it still had most of its key systems online. Key to this, is it's speed and small target aspect. It's harder to hit and faster than ships it generally engages. Key examples in this. It took down 3 Jemadar attack fighters with relative ease. The USS Odessey was destroyed by 3 attack fighters. Granted, the Jemadar cheated by crashing into the Odessey, but it wouldn't have lastest much longer without help.
So, that sums up how I think the vessels stack up.
As for the Odessey class in STO? It's not true canon imo, but if we take it as intended, I'd say it should be seen more in the same way as the Galaxy class rather than the Sovereign.
The Galaxy class was built in a time of relative peace for the Federation, when it's ethos was to build ships which could carry out a varity of roles for Starfleet. It was Starfleets largest and most advanced vessel, and could operate for extended periods without support. However, I don't think it was intended to fight major engagements on the front lines until the Dominion arrived. That's when they really got extra armaments and defence upgrades (USS Venture).
I would personally argue that, considering the regard a Galaxy class was held in, it is an extremely dangerous opponent and not to be trifled with in the Star Trek canon. People cite it always getting into trouble as a reason for it being horribly underpowered. However, a lot of the time it was getting into trouble with highly non-standard threats. Most of the time when you look at a "fair" comparison you would measure it up against Klingon, Romulan, Dominion or Borg capabilities, or some other "familiar" species. The Alien Of The Week (TM) is probably someone the Federation has only scarcely heard of and will never be seen again in Trek in more of a role than a throw-away line to be an easter egg for hardcore fans.
That said, I do agree that the Sovereign was an extremely heavily armed battleship designed explicitly to defend the Federation. I find the Sovereign to be a very unique and intriguing design, because she is capable of exploration to a great degree, but is also a functional and dangerous capital ship/battleship. While the Gal is superior for a number of exploration missions, a Sovereign can be used for traditional "Star Trek exploration" in the vast majority of cases, as well.
Defiant class? Pure warship. Not good for much else other than fighting. I think, for its size, one of the most powerful ships every built. Could it distroy a Galaxy class on its own? No. Upgraded excelsior? Yes. The Lakota was in worse shape than the Defiant and although the Defiant was heavily damaged, it still had most of its key systems online. Key to this, is it's speed and small target aspect. It's harder to hit and faster than ships it generally engages. Key examples in this. It took down 3 Jemadar attack fighters with relative ease. The USS Odessey was destroyed by 3 attack fighters. Granted, the Jemadar cheated by crashing into the Odessey, but it wouldn't have lastest much longer without help.
Don't let the Excelsior fans hear you say that too loud. Every thread I've seen Lakota vs. Defiant mentioned, the dialog from the episode referencing how each ship is progressing is essentially discarded at will, in favor of a vague mention of the Lakota having quantum torpedoes, which at the time were pretty well unknown super-weapons that reflected where and when the ship last reloaded ammo far more than its inherent tactical capabilities.
As for the Odessey class in STO? It's not true canon imo, but if we take it as intended, I'd say it should be seen more in the same way as the Galaxy class rather than the Sovereign.
I'm a little skeptical on this. The Odyssey was designed during a time of very increased combat-readiness. And after the utter disaster that was the Dominion War, it seems that Starfleet may have realized that many people in the galaxy, including some of their neighbors, will cut off a hand extended in friendship and attempt to take the other hand shortly thereafter. While it seems like it's a successor to the Galaxy class, especially for deep-space missions (the thing's almost a mobile miniature starbase in a lot of ways), it seems to me that it would also have very extensive combat options as well, making it a pretty tough customer.
I would personally argue that, considering the regard a Galaxy class was held in, it is an extremely dangerous opponent and not to be trifled with in the Star Trek canon. People cite it always getting into trouble as a reason for it being horribly underpowered. However, a lot of the time it was getting into trouble with highly non-standard threats. Most of the time when you look at a "fair" comparison you would measure it up against Klingon, Romulan, Dominion or Borg capabilities, or some other "familiar" species. The Alien Of The Week (TM) is probably someone the Federation has only scarcely heard of and will never be seen again in Trek in more of a role than a throw-away line to be an easter egg for hardcore fans.
oh it is a dangerous ship, no doubt. It can take down a Type B Warbird or Vorcha class. I just don't think it was ever intended to fight on the front lines until the dominion war started. I think Starfleet got a shock when the Odessey was destroyed. I don't think it was underpowered... As you say, it's just compared to the foes it encountered, like the Borg, not much was going to do any better than the Galaxy anyway. Starfleet had to react, hence the Sovereign and her little sisters.
That said, I do agree that the Sovereign was an extremely heavily armed battleship designed explicitly to defend the Federation. I find the Sovereign to be a very unique and intriguing design, because she is capable of exploration to a great degree, but is also a functional and dangerous capital ship/battleship. While the Gal is superior for a number of exploration missions, a Sovereign can be used for traditional "Star Trek exploration" in the vast majority of cases, as well.
I always liked to think she was designed to explore in line with the Galaxy class, but could be called to show her teeth if anything threatened the safety of the Federation. The scenes in Nemis are some of the best battle scenes in any Trek ever imo. Awesome.
Don't let the Excelsior fans hear you say that too loud. Every thread I've seen Lakota vs. Defiant mentioned, the dialog from the episode referencing how each ship is progressing is essentially discarded at will, in favor of a vague mention of the Lakota having quantum torpedoes, which at the time were pretty well unknown super-weapons that reflected where and when the ship last reloaded ammo far more than its inherent tactical capabilities.
Haha... fact is, the Excelsior is a brilliant ship. Probably the best design in the Starfleet. But if you asked it to fight off a wave of Dominion attack fighters or a Romulan Warbird, you'd be much better off in the Defiant. I don't think the Defiant could take down a Warbird tbh, but regardless if the Excelsior had Quantum torpedoes or not, the Defiant could stay out of those firing arcs and exploit week spots in the shields. Manoeuvrability counts for a lot in combat.
I'm a little skeptical on this. The Odyssey was designed during a time of very increased combat-readiness. And after the utter disaster that was the Dominion War, it seems that Starfleet may have realized that many people in the galaxy, including some of their neighbors, will cut off a hand extended in friendship and attempt to take the other hand shortly thereafter. While it seems like it's a successor to the Galaxy class, especially for deep-space missions (the thing's almost a mobile miniature starbase in a lot of ways), it seems to me that it would also have very extensive combat options as well, making it a pretty tough customer.
It's a strong ship, but iI don't see it being much stronger than the Sovereign class. it could probably handle an attack from a pair of B type Warbirds or handle a Jemadar Crusier, but that's as far as it goes imo. Again, it's too big to be in the thick of battle. Powerful, well armed, strong defence and able to take down most things that threaten it. Pound for pound, the strongest ship in Starfleet, but if you asked me to take a ship to the front lines, Sovereign any day. I'd like to be able to dodge and move around my target(s) as a posed to sitting still firing.
Isn't the Odyssey class usually described in game as a dreadnought (like the Gal-X), not a cruiser, like the Gal or Sov, unless I have read it wrong... It's about 2ce the size at least. If that's the case, it should be armed and armoured accordingly...
Isn't the Odyssey class usually described in game as a dreadnought (like the Gal-X), not a cruiser, like the Gal or Sov, unless I have read it wrong... It's about 2ce the size at least. If that's the case, it should be armed and armoured accordingly...
Just my 0.02ec
Might be, I don't really fly it much. Size isn't everything lol. Think about this.... Romulan Warbird, twice the size of a Galaxy class starship, but not quite as strong. It would obviously be the strongest ship in terms of stats, but in practice, I think it falls short.
A valid point here. Extra Hull, while nice and all, would mean cutting into the Odyssy's turn rate. Sure, it's not much of an issue if you mainly do broadsiding, and turn rate improves with seperation (and, oddly enough, certain genetic traits), but you have to admit, the Galaxy X still turns like a whale...
If you're in a fleet go to the Dilithium Mine and get some Advanced Engineering RCS Consoles. You won't be having turn rate issues anymore. They are equivalent of a regular RCS and Neutronium in one console. My Gal-X practically spins like a top with these installed.
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If anything, and I have mentioned this a lot in the past, I think the Odyssey, as well as any other ships that have 3 consoles like that, rather than being classed as universal consoles and stuck taking up tactical, science, and engineering slot space, which by the way, is already somewhat limited, they should be reclassed as special consoles and a new row of 3 console slots added to all the ships on the game just for special consoles.
My idea is a bit easier than a new console location. Make it like how they did the Solanae EV Suits. If you have all 3 consoles, you open the Dil Store (not lobi like the EV Suits) and trade in the 3 consoles + some Dil and get a combo console that does the powers of all 3 consoles. That way you are only 'losing' 1 console slot instead of 3. (Especially since the majority of people poo-poo the 3-set consoles on most the ships as being a waste of space.)
Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
My idea is a bit easier than a new console location. Make it like how they did the Solanae EV Suits. If you have all 3 consoles, you open the Dil Store (not lobi like the EV Suits) and trade in the 3 consoles + some Dil and get a combo console that does the powers of all 3 consoles. That way you are only 'losing' 1 console slot instead of 3. (Especially since the majority of people poo-poo the 3-set consoles on most the ships as being a waste of space.)
I'm all for this option, just so long as first actually having all three set pieces is a prerequisite for being able to purchase the super-combo space saver version from dilithium or lobi stores.
I'm all for this option, just so long as first actually having all three set pieces is a prerequisite for being able to purchase the super-combo space saver version from dilithium or lobi stores.
I actually like this idea too and I only own the Ops variant. I might actually be willing to shell out for the other 2 if this became an option. That is if the upgraded t5's are actually "competitive."
My idea is a bit easier than a new console location. Make it like how they did the Solanae EV Suits. If you have all 3 consoles, you open the Dil Store (not lobi like the EV Suits) and trade in the 3 consoles + some Dil and get a combo console that does the powers of all 3 consoles. That way you are only 'losing' 1 console slot instead of 3. (Especially since the majority of people poo-poo the 3-set consoles on most the ships as being a waste of space.)
It would be reasonably balanced on the Odyssey and the Bortasqu, since none of those consoles or their set bonuses are especially powerful.
But then you get to the Scimitar. Do you give it the boost as well for consistency, or do you break your own rule because that ship needs no buffing? Justified bloody murder screaming either way (though I'd lean towards Option 2)
Well, my idea of a new set of console slots was for every ship on the game, not just the 3 console c shop ones, also, because there are so many consoles in game now that are given away as lock box items or part of a reputation set. Take my Odyssey for example, I use the tactical version but I have all three consoles, then I have all of the counter command set so there's a 4th console slot being used up. Even with all three Odyssey consoles combined that's still 2 slots being used.
Using my idea the three Odyssey consoles would be equipped in their own slots while only 1 engineering, science, or tactical slot would be spend for that counter command console. Besides, why should we have to pay dilithium or lobi and buy a combined console considering we already bought the ships with zen.
As the supposed flagship of the federation, the Odyssey cruisers deserve a buff. If you take and aux2bat the Fleet Dreadnought cruiser, it outperforms the Odyssey in almost every way. The Fleet Dreadnought also has 44,000 base hull, which is more hull then the Odyssey. This is illogical since the Odyssey is supposedly the largest cruiser that the Federation has ever built, I fail to see why an old TNG-era adaptation of the Galaxy cruiser has more hull then the ultra-current official flagship of the federation.
In my opinion, the Odyssey's base hull should be 44,000 to match the Fleet Dreadnought.
They could do this by making an official Fleet Odyssey, and wipe the inferior (to the Advanced Odysseys) Odyssey Star Cruiser, which isn't listed as a Fleet ship but requires fleet marks to acquire (I did not see the star cruiser included when I filtered only fleet ships). This Fleet Oddy would have slight upgrades to the hull strength or shield modifier for instance.
Any thoughts?
I agree, the odyssey is the biggest ship made by starfleet and its hull sucks. Ramp it up higher than the dreadnought class.
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The big argument against doing anything to the Odyssey seems to be that it's a multi role ship but the people who make that argument want all the development team's time and attention to be on the Galaxy variants which are also a multi role ships. The fact is the Odyssey is the new Federation flagship and really should be classed as a dreadnought and bumped up to 44,000 or 45,000 hull.
I would even go as far as saying that it should be bumped up to T6 with the next expansion and either given a hangar bay or the option to equip a cloaking device like the Galaxy X can and before the angry villagers come out with the torchs and pitchforks, you have your threads for the ships you like, Odyssey users have this one so take your complaints and shove them.
The big argument against doing anything to the Odyssey seems to be that it's a multi role ship but the people who make that argument want all the development team's time and attention to be on the Galaxy variants which are also a multi role ships. The fact is the Odyssey is the new Federation flagship and really should be classed as a dreadnought and bumped up to 44,000 or 45,000 hull.
I would even go as far as saying that it should be bumped up to T6 with the next expansion and either given a hangar bay or the option to equip a cloaking device like the Galaxy X can and before the angry villagers come out with the torchs and pitchforks, you have your threads for the ships you like, Odyssey users have this one so take your complaints and shove them.
Honestly this. All 3 flagships are supposed to represent the pinnacle of each factions current technology. Having them lag behind the T6's just makes absolutely no sense. Even on the T5 level the Oddy has fallen behind due to newer ships correcting mistakes made with no attempt to update. Look at any of the more resent "set" ships. They use different pieces of equipment for synergy and/or hangers for support. Yes the Oddy is versatile, but in order to have full access to that you have to give up 3 console slots with a poor set bonus. To add insult to injury, you can only use one power at a time which makes the other 2 consoles useless when not in use. The Oddy is a good ship and good looking to boot, but is it "competitive?" No.
Exactly, the Odyssey needs work. As far as my mention of a hangar, smaller ships have one, why should smaller ships have it and not the federation's largest ship? Of course, personally, I could live without a hangar if I was able to launch both the chevron saucer and the aquarius at the same time.
As far as the other I mentioned, why shouldn't the Odyssey be classed as a dreadnought and given maybe a cloak? The Galaxy X is a smaller ship based on a older design and it's classed as a Dreadnought, given the spinal lance, a hangar, cloak, and saucer separation. And yes I get it, time of war, blah, blah but if you look at the STO story line the Federation was fighting the KDF, Borg, Tholians, Mirror Universe, and the True Way when the Odyssey was built so you could make the same argument for that one, from a story standpoint you could even say the Odyssey was built in a time of multiple wars on many fronts and naturally would be tougher than the X which was only built to fight Klingons
I would even go as far as saying that it should be bumped up to T6 with the next expansion and either given a hangar bay or the option to equip a cloaking device like the Galaxy X can and before the angry villagers come out with the torchs and pitchforks, you have your threads for the ships you like, Odyssey users have this one so take your complaints and shove them.
An update would be most welcome but with the question of T6 looming (and what the hell will become of the Enterprise after the new ships hit the game) I could easily see the matter deferred to a T6 Oddy refit that would stand as a separate ship from the current T5 variants.
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An update would be most welcome but with the question of T6 looming (and what the hell will become of the Enterprise after the new ships hit the game) I could easily see the matter deferred to a T6 Oddy refit that would stand as a separate ship from the current T5 variants.
I would LOVE a Tier 6 Oddy! Perhaps a few variant skins, make it a "Fleet" version, either from upgrades or fleet ship modules. I'd hate for a ship that's only a year out of the shipyard to be so quickly replaced as the biggest and best ship in the fleet.
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A valid point here. Extra Hull, while nice and all, would mean cutting into the Odyssy's turn rate. Sure, it's not much of an issue if you mainly do broadsiding, and turn rate improves with seperation (and, oddly enough, certain genetic traits), but you have to admit, the Galaxy X still turns like a whale...
This was the raison detre given for the Avenger, a federation BATTLEcruiser.
I like this idea of an "Omni" console. 3 slots an ships for exclusivly "omni" class hardware. And still have the option of using those special consoles in regular slots. The 3 "omni" from the Dyson trio for instance and still use a Point Defense Phaser turret, or Cloaking device console without sacrificing half of a ships total consoles.
The Galaxy class was built in a time of relative peace for the Federation, when it's ethos was to build ships which could carry out a varity of roles for Starfleet. It was Starfleets largest and most advanced vessel, and could operate for extended periods without support. However, I don't think it was intended to fight major engagements on the front lines until the Dominion arrived. That's when they really got extra armaments and defence upgrades (USS Venture).
The Sovereign class was developed as part of Starfleets response to the Borg. Obviously it wasn't ready for Wolf 359, as it was still on the drawing board. However, it too was multi mission, but the ethos of ship design had changed. After the losses at Wolf 359 and the early dominion engagements, it was clear that more firepower was required. I still think the Sovereign is a more powerful vessel, but it would asked to defend the Federation over a Galaxy class. The Sovereign in more nimble. It's still, the finest Starship ever built in my opinion and will happily stand toe-to-toe with the galaxy's greatest threats.
Other classes were developed for specific roles. Akira, Saber and Steamrunner classes were developed as Escorts and heavy cruisers. Akira's are probably as strong as a Galaxy in terms of firepower and I'd imagine these vessels are used as border patrols and to defend key installations.
Intrepid, Nebula and Nova classes are obviously not developed to fight. They can defend themselves and Nebulas obviously got similar upgrades to the Galaxy class, but they are ships of exploration and diplomacy.
Defiant class? Pure warship. Not good for much else other than fighting. I think, for its size, one of the most powerful ships every built. Could it distroy a Galaxy class on its own? No. Upgraded excelsior? Yes. The Lakota was in worse shape than the Defiant and although the Defiant was heavily damaged, it still had most of its key systems online. Key to this, is it's speed and small target aspect. It's harder to hit and faster than ships it generally engages. Key examples in this. It took down 3 Jemadar attack fighters with relative ease. The USS Odessey was destroyed by 3 attack fighters. Granted, the Jemadar cheated by crashing into the Odessey, but it wouldn't have lastest much longer without help.
So, that sums up how I think the vessels stack up.
As for the Odessey class in STO? It's not true canon imo, but if we take it as intended, I'd say it should be seen more in the same way as the Galaxy class rather than the Sovereign.
I would personally argue that, considering the regard a Galaxy class was held in, it is an extremely dangerous opponent and not to be trifled with in the Star Trek canon. People cite it always getting into trouble as a reason for it being horribly underpowered. However, a lot of the time it was getting into trouble with highly non-standard threats. Most of the time when you look at a "fair" comparison you would measure it up against Klingon, Romulan, Dominion or Borg capabilities, or some other "familiar" species. The Alien Of The Week (TM) is probably someone the Federation has only scarcely heard of and will never be seen again in Trek in more of a role than a throw-away line to be an easter egg for hardcore fans.
That said, I do agree that the Sovereign was an extremely heavily armed battleship designed explicitly to defend the Federation. I find the Sovereign to be a very unique and intriguing design, because she is capable of exploration to a great degree, but is also a functional and dangerous capital ship/battleship. While the Gal is superior for a number of exploration missions, a Sovereign can be used for traditional "Star Trek exploration" in the vast majority of cases, as well.
Don't let the Excelsior fans hear you say that too loud. Every thread I've seen Lakota vs. Defiant mentioned, the dialog from the episode referencing how each ship is progressing is essentially discarded at will, in favor of a vague mention of the Lakota having quantum torpedoes, which at the time were pretty well unknown super-weapons that reflected where and when the ship last reloaded ammo far more than its inherent tactical capabilities.
I'm a little skeptical on this. The Odyssey was designed during a time of very increased combat-readiness. And after the utter disaster that was the Dominion War, it seems that Starfleet may have realized that many people in the galaxy, including some of their neighbors, will cut off a hand extended in friendship and attempt to take the other hand shortly thereafter. While it seems like it's a successor to the Galaxy class, especially for deep-space missions (the thing's almost a mobile miniature starbase in a lot of ways), it seems to me that it would also have very extensive combat options as well, making it a pretty tough customer.
oh it is a dangerous ship, no doubt. It can take down a Type B Warbird or Vorcha class. I just don't think it was ever intended to fight on the front lines until the dominion war started. I think Starfleet got a shock when the Odessey was destroyed. I don't think it was underpowered... As you say, it's just compared to the foes it encountered, like the Borg, not much was going to do any better than the Galaxy anyway. Starfleet had to react, hence the Sovereign and her little sisters.
I always liked to think she was designed to explore in line with the Galaxy class, but could be called to show her teeth if anything threatened the safety of the Federation. The scenes in Nemis are some of the best battle scenes in any Trek ever imo. Awesome.
Haha... fact is, the Excelsior is a brilliant ship. Probably the best design in the Starfleet. But if you asked it to fight off a wave of Dominion attack fighters or a Romulan Warbird, you'd be much better off in the Defiant. I don't think the Defiant could take down a Warbird tbh, but regardless if the Excelsior had Quantum torpedoes or not, the Defiant could stay out of those firing arcs and exploit week spots in the shields. Manoeuvrability counts for a lot in combat.
It's a strong ship, but iI don't see it being much stronger than the Sovereign class. it could probably handle an attack from a pair of B type Warbirds or handle a Jemadar Crusier, but that's as far as it goes imo. Again, it's too big to be in the thick of battle. Powerful, well armed, strong defence and able to take down most things that threaten it. Pound for pound, the strongest ship in Starfleet, but if you asked me to take a ship to the front lines, Sovereign any day. I'd like to be able to dodge and move around my target(s) as a posed to sitting still firing.
Just my 0.02ec
Might be, I don't really fly it much. Size isn't everything lol. Think about this.... Romulan Warbird, twice the size of a Galaxy class starship, but not quite as strong. It would obviously be the strongest ship in terms of stats, but in practice, I think it falls short.
If you're in a fleet go to the Dilithium Mine and get some Advanced Engineering RCS Consoles. You won't be having turn rate issues anymore. They are equivalent of a regular RCS and Neutronium in one console. My Gal-X practically spins like a top with these installed.
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My idea is a bit easier than a new console location. Make it like how they did the Solanae EV Suits. If you have all 3 consoles, you open the Dil Store (not lobi like the EV Suits) and trade in the 3 consoles + some Dil and get a combo console that does the powers of all 3 consoles. That way you are only 'losing' 1 console slot instead of 3. (Especially since the majority of people poo-poo the 3-set consoles on most the ships as being a waste of space.)
I'm all for this option, just so long as first actually having all three set pieces is a prerequisite for being able to purchase the super-combo space saver version from dilithium or lobi stores.
I actually like this idea too and I only own the Ops variant. I might actually be willing to shell out for the other 2 if this became an option. That is if the upgraded t5's are actually "competitive."
It would be reasonably balanced on the Odyssey and the Bortasqu, since none of those consoles or their set bonuses are especially powerful.
But then you get to the Scimitar. Do you give it the boost as well for consistency, or do you break your own rule because that ship needs no buffing? Justified bloody murder screaming either way (though I'd lean towards Option 2)
Using my idea the three Odyssey consoles would be equipped in their own slots while only 1 engineering, science, or tactical slot would be spend for that counter command console. Besides, why should we have to pay dilithium or lobi and buy a combined console considering we already bought the ships with zen.
3 in 1 console will work and seems balance as we did spend zen to get the packs.
My bortasqu and scims are way more overpowered than my oddies.
Shame we cant have voting things in thes forums.
I agree, the odyssey is the biggest ship made by starfleet and its hull sucks. Ramp it up higher than the dreadnought class.
I would even go as far as saying that it should be bumped up to T6 with the next expansion and either given a hangar bay or the option to equip a cloaking device like the Galaxy X can and before the angry villagers come out with the torchs and pitchforks, you have your threads for the ships you like, Odyssey users have this one so take your complaints and shove them.
Honestly this. All 3 flagships are supposed to represent the pinnacle of each factions current technology. Having them lag behind the T6's just makes absolutely no sense. Even on the T5 level the Oddy has fallen behind due to newer ships correcting mistakes made with no attempt to update. Look at any of the more resent "set" ships. They use different pieces of equipment for synergy and/or hangers for support. Yes the Oddy is versatile, but in order to have full access to that you have to give up 3 console slots with a poor set bonus. To add insult to injury, you can only use one power at a time which makes the other 2 consoles useless when not in use. The Oddy is a good ship and good looking to boot, but is it "competitive?" No.
As far as the other I mentioned, why shouldn't the Odyssey be classed as a dreadnought and given maybe a cloak? The Galaxy X is a smaller ship based on a older design and it's classed as a Dreadnought, given the spinal lance, a hangar, cloak, and saucer separation. And yes I get it, time of war, blah, blah but if you look at the STO story line the Federation was fighting the KDF, Borg, Tholians, Mirror Universe, and the True Way when the Odyssey was built so you could make the same argument for that one, from a story standpoint you could even say the Odyssey was built in a time of multiple wars on many fronts and naturally would be tougher than the X which was only built to fight Klingons
An update would be most welcome but with the question of T6 looming (and what the hell will become of the Enterprise after the new ships hit the game) I could easily see the matter deferred to a T6 Oddy refit that would stand as a separate ship from the current T5 variants.
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I would LOVE a Tier 6 Oddy! Perhaps a few variant skins, make it a "Fleet" version, either from upgrades or fleet ship modules. I'd hate for a ship that's only a year out of the shipyard to be so quickly replaced as the biggest and best ship in the fleet.