Cryptic now essentially killing pvp

heizluefta · July 2014

So, what did u think (@cryptic) when programming the new Traits, Ships, Modifiers, Doffs, Consoles, Crafting System, etc ???

1. Whats the point with the new Modifiers like "PVP Dmg", like "Pen", like and so on...! ? Are u serious ?
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1157941
Is that true ?

2. Why the hell did i level 2 chars on max with crafting years ago ? Now craftingskill=0 ? This is a real threat to "old" players ? I crafted two chars on max ! Now 0 ??? WTF !!! You .....!!!

3. Sooo many things and changes without any kind of news ?

4. Nooooo bugfixes, instead new bugs, for example thousands of differences in tooltips, news, and mouseovers ? Do we now need to check all by ourselves ?

5. Why are u going further along with the power creep ? Isnt that enough ?

6. Did u really think about the consequences of bringing in more A2B-Lovely-Skill/Trait/Items?

7. Where the hell are all the ****storms that should be existent ?

I atm am really thinking about "just deleting" all my chars. Its too many years and too many ressources for just getting a kick in the TRIBBLE with every patch. Proud of everyone that left the game earlier !

Tsss...

dontdrunkimshoot · July 2014

these game breaking traits, AA for everyone, the most powerful pug escort by far

this kills pvp. the only way it could be worse is if it was the nebula console and valdor consoles in the box instead

voporak · July 2014

You can't kill something that died years ago and whose corpse has been rotting ever since.

Except those nasty necro threads...

marc8219 · July 2014

Yes I agree, the lockbox traits, crafted stuff, new ships, and new boff traits are all OP. It puts the nail in the coffin of PVP. Looks like they are in the phase where they try to milk the game for all its worth before chasing everyone off and shutting it down.

heizluefta · July 2014

Yeah i think thats it....to make a comparison: Its like trying to give the players a game, that is called "Baseball" for example. But the giving the game more and more rules, more equipment, more stats, and so on.

So....now: STO atm is like having someone (cryptic) saying it is "baseball" ! But in fact it is some kind of genetic reinforced clones, being equipped with SWAT-Military-Stuff, having every kind of weapon, being able to play football-, cricket-, tennis-, squash-, rugby-, etc-rules, and at the same time being able to beam out, take a coffee and get in the fight again when i want to !

And much more.....

virusdancer · July 2014

Makes me think back to some of the complaints and what was said to folks complaining.

Folks complained that PvP wasn't very Star Trek-like. That it was more starfighter than starship. That ships blew up more like an arcade shooter than a MMO. Etc, etc, etc...

They were ridiculed in return for their feedback.

Have to wonder if some of them are laughing now...

heizluefta · July 2014

have to wonder why we can still talk about that....

atlantra · July 2014

If STO turns into a PVE game only, it's going to suck. The Ai in this game is horrible. They don't even use heals effectively. With heavy scripting the Ai could rock...

AI Scripting should look something like this I guess:

[Borg sphere]
If self HP < 50% = True & Skill 'Hazard Emitters III' is ready
Self use 'Hazard Emitters III'
end

If Self HP < 25% = True & Skill 'Go Down Fighting' is ready
Self use 'Go Down Fighting'
end

In English: A Borg sphere should heal itself when it's HP is lower than 50% and use GDF when lower than 25%.

I wish I knew how cryptic programs the enemy ships. I would love to help create a better AI for space combat. I have a feeling the game would just lag very badly. LOL.

Oh Yeah, about PVP... LOL. It's been a nice ride. It's was good while it lasted. PVP RIP....

dontdrunkimshoot · July 2014

yep, its the npc quality that sucks any fun out of non pvp game play. its not that npcs aren't smart enough to use abilities, they just basically don't have any at all!

imagine if battleship level npcs had point for point the same number of skills, skill uptime, and weapons as a player ship. the AI behind it could be as complex as bind everything to space bar, and it would basically work fine. sci ships would rock in pve, they would have things to disable, skills to strip. you couldn't just cycle faw around 10 npcs, it would be spread to thin! they would out heal your spam! if only, such a colossal waist of potential the way npcs are now.

antoniosalieri · July 2014

Eh the escort isn't really that much better then a hunter or a bug or even an andorian.

The carrier is pretty good for a carrier... like the Jem Dred with less turn but an extra hanger and some sub targeting.

The traits... ya ok those do seem pretty darn powerful, at least if someone wants to run all 3 they have to trade some of the crazy old stuff.

The boff is only 5% which isn't enough to really help much of anything.

The crafted stuff... to early to say but PvPDmg sounds like an upgraded DMG mod which means it will still mostly suck... the possible flood of more [acc]x3 only levels the field on that score.

The other new mods... again to early to say... I don't like the idea of the over and pen mods... but we'll see I guess in a week or so when they start trickling into pvp.

The AA for everyone... I used to think Ehhh don't do it... These days I say GOOD glad there around more now. FAW has always bothered the heck out of me. It has also always bothered me that so many people don't bother with torps at all. 9.5 gives people even more reason to always RUN a torp on there any ship. The crafting torp trait is good... they have already giving us a bump with shearing... now there is no excuse to not be running a torp.

All in all.... I don't see why everyone is saying Doom and Doom and Dooooom... any more then before. Seems to me this isn't any worse then every lockbox / system change that has come since F2P anyway.

deaftravis05 · July 2014

*sobs* just stop it... stop it, the ground below where the horse was beaten to death is now the mantle... just... stop beating the dead horse

maicake716 · July 2014

so... theyre still killing pvp eh?

heizluefta · July 2014

its like every season....some are testing, some are complaining, cryptic is winning !
Just watch yourself.......
I think i will be off soon, and i think some people will be happy about that^^

GG

P.S.: This Game, compared to others, is.....

p2wsucks · July 2014

maicake716 wrote: »

so... theyre still killing pvp eh?

More of the same, nothing earth shattering tbh. The PvP shark was jumped years ago (as you know).

kyrashikc · July 2014

Today, i just tested a few things with friends in a private match and what i found just baffled me.

It's so basic it's so trivial but it's changing my view on pvp and game mechanics dramatically.

In few words: When you stand still in space and look at your BONUS DEFENSE in the character window (u) and you have a positive value (+) and you use a Omega3 (gives around +49% def with other stats) your bonus defense will fall instead of rising.

In my case on a BugShip with 10% def when standing still and with Omega3 it's 3.3% def.

A simple case a simple number but it shows that there are severe issues with the calculation of stats.

The fact that Advanced Shield Repair Shutles DO NOT heal friendly targets/other players is another example.

I wrote so many bug reports like many other players and just nothing happens.

Cryptic cares about your money but cryptic doesn't care about you or me at all.

You know most of those things are really old bugs and they getting older and older.

I think this update is a sign to me to leave this game forever.

Over and out.

antoniosalieri · July 2014

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the Bonus defense tab is bugged pretty heavy. (not omega) I know I have some toons that report a pretty high defense value when standing still... even though I know it should be no where close to what is reported.

If you don't have any +defense gear or boffs ect... standing still should be a -10... but even on toons I know have nothing that should boost defense I don't see negatives in that window anymore.

I think it may honestly be a "display error"... which if it isn't is what Cryptic would say anyway.

webdeath · July 2014

To be honest.. the problem that I see is that Cryptic doesn't want to do any kind of Player Retention.. they care more about players coming back, or joining for the first time, then the players that stick around or have stuck around since the game launched.

How ever, that being said, it is nice to see them actually do something for the PVP Side of the game. First making PVP Mixed Red/Blue vs Red/Blue, then the Possum console, Now actual PVP weapon and shield traits.

I just wish Crafting wasn't some TRIBBLE Facebook game.. But one where you have to find the mats you need to craft Mats... before you can craft..:mad:

rylanadionysis · July 2014

So read the patch notes.

lol.

That is all.

atlantra · July 2014

Well I guess I'll stop playing STO for a while. I needed time to work on my own game anyway. Season 9.5 was all bad news for me. Nothing made me go "yay, that's awesome".

I'll pop in every now and then. So see you guys when the Christmas event starts...:)

janetza · July 2014

Hedgehogs were eating cactus, pricked and cried, but still continued to eat.

wildweasal · July 2014

antoniosalieri wrote: »

Eh the escort isn't really that much better then a hunter or a bug or even an andorian.

The carrier is pretty good for a carrier... like the Jem Dred with less turn but an extra hanger and some sub targeting.

The traits... ya ok those do seem pretty darn powerful, at least if someone wants to run all 3 they have to trade some of the crazy old stuff.

The boff is only 5% which isn't enough to really help much of anything.

The crafted stuff... to early to say but PvPDmg sounds like an upgraded DMG mod which means it will still mostly suck... the possible flood of more [acc]x3 only levels the field on that score.

The other new mods... again to early to say... I don't like the idea of the over and pen mods... but we'll see I guess in a week or so when they start trickling into pvp.

The AA for everyone... I used to think Ehhh don't do it... These days I say GOOD glad there around more now. FAW has always bothered the heck out of me. It has also always bothered me that so many people don't bother with torps at all. 9.5 gives people even more reason to always RUN a torp on there any ship. The crafting torp trait is good... they have already giving us a bump with shearing... now there is no excuse to not be running a torp.

All in all.... I don't see why everyone is saying Doom and Doom and Dooooom... any more then before. Seems to me this isn't any worse then every lockbox / system change that has come since F2P anyway.

im Admiral Quinn and I approve this message

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jmiticp · July 2014

KILL PVP TO GET PROFIT

-- Cryptic, 2014

No sense, but, believe me, those are words of truth.

atlantra · July 2014

jmiticp wrote: »

KILL PVP TO GET PROFIT

-- Cryptic, 2014

No sense, but, believe me, those are words of truth.

Yep, but 'they' deny killing PVP. It's like an X-file going on here...

"We're not essentially killing PVP." --Devs--

Okay then why do the PVP players say you are? Are the people who actually play the game liars? Should I really believe the people who just add stuff to the game without thinking or testing? Talk to any veteran PVP player, they'll tell you if you're killing PVP or not. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE.

How bad is it? PVP is a dead horse that has been beaten 83.6 miles deep into the ground. The surface was solid Neutronium alloy too. My only hope for STO is an improved AI for enemies... Please make it happen... I just wanna save the game.

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gurugeorge · July 2014

How can you "leave" an f2p game? Come on, the next time you have a hankering to pretend you're a starship captain in Star Trek, where are you going to go?

So it's long lost the chance to be an e-sport. So what? Why not enjoy it for the gloriously OP toy it is, now and then?

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shanksboy · July 2014

This is becoming a weekly occurence now in the forums. "PVP IS DEAD" etc etc......its not dead at all.

After this patch, to me releasing AA to feds (which i always hoped they wouldnt) is cryptics answer to tackle the A2B faw problem, instead of nerfing A2B itself as the uproar from PVE players would be huge.

Ok i do see that a lot of long time PvP'ers have stopped playing the game/taking a break etc...but that does not mean pvp is "DEAD". The fleet im in reguarly hosts pvp matches every saturday night. We have regulars playing and we even get ppl who have never pew pew joining in..we try to make the teams balanced (which always dont work out lol), but the main thing ppl get from this is fun and enjoyment and something different than shooting the same Mobs over and over.

These ppl then get a taste of what pvp can be like, the good and bad times. Which makes them want to pvp and improve.

I may not be active in OPVP, and i know ppl will dismiss me as some sort of noob because of the amount of posts i have posted on forums (does happen), but i have PvP'd for over 2 years now and yes a lot has changed but it is not dead!

So please refrain from these "PVP is DEAD" posts

schnirsel · July 2014

deokkent wrote: »

I really wish there was another star trek themed game that I could play. Something nice, recent, pvp optional but with decent npc's AI

It's still WIP and no way near being finished.. but you might wanna take a look at the youtube channel of Star Trek Excalibur. It's a fanmade game with it's very own engine. Progress is slow but astonishing. Will probably take some time till it's finished but it's worth taking a look at.

Also there is Bridge Commander.. it's over 10 years old now.. but with the Kobayashi Mod I had some awesome encounters online and the quick battle A.I. can be pretty decent. No idea if the community is still active though. Been a few years since I played it.

ghyudt · July 2014

voporak wrote: »

You can't kill something that died years ago and whose corpse has been rotting ever since.

Except those nasty necro threads...

∆ this. Its like you read my mind. Its a fact that PvP has been a lost cause for years. This latest update only strengthens my argument that this game was not properly designed for PvP in the first place.

atlantra · July 2014

shanksboy wrote: »

This is becoming a weekly occurence now in the forums. "PVP IS DEAD" etc etc......its not dead at all.

It's dead to me. I don't even want to go into my favorite zone (Ker'rat) anymore or log on STO.

After this patch, to me releasing AA to feds (which i always hoped they wouldnt) is cryptics answer to tackle the A2B faw problem, instead of nerfing A2B itself as the uproar from PVE players would be huge.

The last ounce of faction diversity had been destroyed because of that. No reason for me to play KDF. Now it will be impossible to use mines and heavy projectiles. I can't believe the devs are scared of the players. "We can't bother A2B, too much outrage." Then hand out bans, Do what you need to do to save the game. I'm the type of person that don't care who gets mad. Cryptic cares too much about hate and negativity. They're getting it anyway!:mad: So fix the darn game... If players get angry, so be it. You have no problem TRIBBLE over KDF, TRIBBLE over everyone else too. Remove all cross-faction consoles.

Ok i do see that a lot of long time PvP'ers have stopped playing the game/taking a break etc...but that does not mean pvp is "DEAD". The fleet im in reguarly hosts pvp matches every saturday night. We have regulars playing and we even get ppl who have never pew pew joining in..we try to make the teams balanced (which always dont work out lol), but the main thing ppl get from this is fun and enjoyment and something different than shooting the same Mobs over and over.

Nope, PVP dead, all the people worth fighting is gone, and I don't care for broken mechanics, mixed PVP, or noobs abusing A2B. I miss KvF also.

I may not be active in OPVP, and i know ppl will dismiss me as some sort of noob because of the amount of posts i have posted on forums (does happen), but i have PvP'd for over 2 years now and yes a lot has changed but it is not dead!

So please refrain from these "PVP is DEAD" posts

It's dead trust me. Any elite player knows it's dead. I'm not playing a PVP game where everyone is the same and people are abusing broken mechanics for an edge. As a Hardcore KDF player, there's literally no reason for me to log on to STO now. I hope cryptic is happy. Being so scared of their own players to fix the game. Sad sad sad.

Cryptic now essentially killing pvp

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