You want someone else to pay for your LTS for your second account? That is getting something for free. Thank you for making pointing it back to "I want it for free and I want it now".
so you dont give dilithium for the zen?You get dilithium without work?I think you are allergic to thinking.Think before you write BS like that.
All lockbox keys *originate* with a real money transaction though.
Zen only ever enters the economy in sto via real money transactions.
Whether it comes as a stipend for a subscription, a straight-up purchase, or Peanut Labz paying PWE for referring people who fill out surveys.
true, as does anything that is bought for zen but this does not stop players from getting them for free if they want to by selling dilithium on the exchange.
also anything that is currently sold from the c-store the zen that paid for it originated from real money transactions, the whole game`s survival depends on all of these zen purchases to stay alive.
what a player does with the zen they have either bought themselves with real cash or gained by other means is entirely their affair, if they choose to open lock boxes that is their choice or if they disapprove of them and choose to buy a ship or outfit or whatever that is also up to them, nobody holds a gun to their heads and forces them to open lockbox`s.
having said that lockbox keys are likely the most sold item in the store and thank god for them as the money spent on zen that buys all these keys is helping to keep the game afloat.
but getting back to the main topic the sale of lifetime subs on the c-store would be disastrous for the game for the reasons I outlined in a previous reply.
here > http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=17951941#post17951941
for these reasons monthly and lifetime subs can only ever be for cash only.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Ultimatly if you just come here and say, "It's not going to happen", you're not really getting into the actual meaning of the title "General Discussion" so please, be sure to give details as to why or why not, cryptic should do this, and let's not flame or hate on each other... I really would love to see this thread be considered by the Devs...
we gave you answers and your not looking, anything further from your end obviously means you either intend to get your expected answer through a lie somewhere or intend to drag on a debate for an answer that has already been stated and continuing it will lead to a flame war for no reason after the fact.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I've read almost all the replies, and it seems as tho most, if not all the lifertimers that reply here, are saying that LTS are the "Direct" way of Cryptic Getting it's money, and yes I agree, but let's not forget there are multiple other ways of cryptic of getting it's money.
One thing I saw that it's making the Lifetimers say no to this, is because of the ZEN stipped, ok, so you get 500 ZEN a month... There is going to be a point where the amount of ZEN you get = The Amount of $$$ you spent on the LTS, and ultimately, after that point is reached, Cryptic is the one loosing the money, in order to pay the LTS their stipend...
I don't see any problem at all, if Cryptic decides to retrieve that ZEN via giving players the ability to buy LTS Via in game, but if the Stipend is what is hurting Cryptic, by all means, don't give the stippend to those who buy an LTS Via game... and keep giving it to those players who did buy the LTS with RL money...
Just more thoughts to throw out, and also, I saw someone mentioned, "Waaah, I want Free Stuff that other people paid for", um no, 1.) this is not whether I, or those who would like to buy an LTS via in game, want free stuff, its about enhancing the general gameplay not, just for a few players, but for all. 2.) like I mentioend above, if you think about it, you are not really playing for the LTS, when that point where the ZEN = LTS price, it would have paid itself out, and from that point on, Cryptic will be giving you Free ZEN... And 3.) this not a thread that is saying "I want free stuff" it is rather a thread that meant to get ideas on both sides of the conversation, on why Cryptic should or should not, let players buy LTS via game means...
Ultimatly if you just come here and say, "It's not going to happen", you're not really getting into the actual meaning of the title "General Discussion" so please, be sure to give details as to why or why not, cryptic should do this, and let's not flame or hate on each other... I really would love to see this thread be considered by the Devs...
I must admit when I was a free to play player the idea of getting lifetime on the c-store crossed my mind but I soon realised that it could never happen for the reasons I outline
here > http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=17951941#post17951941
I judge from your comments above that you obviously never read this as the truth within is undeniable and if any pro zen > lifetime poster had taken that posting as the fact as it is this conversation would have ended.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
lockbox keys are bought with zen not real money, anything you can buy with zen can be bought for free by exchanging dilithium for zen.
when i was a free to play player i bought lockbox keys without spending any money.
Knowledge is a lie, there is only ignorance.
Through ignorance, I gain cluelessness.
Through cluelessness, I gain mindlessness.
Through mindlessness, I gain incomprehension.
Through incomprehension, my dilithium is exchanged.
The zen shall free me.
Knowledge is a lie, there is only ignorance.
Through ignorance, I gain cluelessness.
Through cluelessness, I gain mindlessness.
Through mindlessness, I gain incomprehension.
Through incomprehension, my dilithium is exchanged.
The zen shall free me.
I take your point misguided as it is.
though zen is bought with real money that does not stop players getting zen by exchanging dil for zen with other players as I have done many times myself, by this means the item purchased on the c-store is essentially free for that player although as said someone else paid for the zen in the first place.
having said that the exchange of dilithium for zen as it stands is relatively small at the moment compared to what it would be like if free to play players and monthly subbers thought they could get lifetime on the c-store.
can you not imagine how the exchange rate would shoot through the roof as 90% of the current players suddenly start exchanging dil for zen in a mad bid to get enough together to buy a lifetime sub.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Yes you can get dilithium without logging in and doing any "work"/grinding yourself.
Goldseller sites already offer to do all the grinding/mining for you if you'll give them your account and credit card info.
It's already been explained what it has to do with LTS's being sold in the C-Store and how the easily the goldsellers will be able to exploit it using the same methods they use to provide their other services.
You just choose to ignore the explanation because you can't refute it. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, and you're in it up to your eyebrows.
So you only have to look in the mirror to see who is allergic to thinking and has been posting what you call "BS". :rolleyes:
someone needs to flush after your posts.
so you pay for the dilithium outside the game and they somehow transfer your the dilithium in game.Only you know the method.
Then they exploit it for LTS but not for the LOR 16.000zen pack in c store or other items.
I think I will give up with this thread, those that want to buy their lifetime sub on the c-store will never see the futility of their suggestion and how it would kill the game if it happened, they just chose not to see the simple logic that will stop this from happening.
in closing I will just say - dream on.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I take your point misguided as it is.
though zen is bought with real money that does not stop players getting zen by exchanging dil for zen with other players as I have done many times myself, by this means the item purchased on the c-store is essentially free for that player although as said someone else paid for the zen in the first place.
having said that the exchange of dilithium for zen as it stands is relatively small at the moment compared to what it would be like if free to play players and monthly subbers thought they could get lifetime on the c-store.
can you not imagine how the exchange rate would shoot through the roof as 90% of the current players suddenly start exchanging dil for zen in a mad bid to get enough together to buy a lifetime sub.
All the naysayers are insisting that Cryptic will lose revenue. When in actuality they wont and you agree.
How many people have that kind of refined dilithium? At the current exchange rate it's 3mil dilithium for a lifetime and goes up to 4mil+ after the sale. With the 8k refining limit it would take more than a year. Think about it.
The method they use is well known and advertised on their sites, as it has been used for well over a decade.
Cryptic even caught and banned a goldseller that was using and selling bot programs to mine dilithium just this past December. The scumbag has a video about it posted on youtube as well as a websit
Gold sellers sell EC not dilithium.You can't exchange dilithium...you don't even play the game but come here to troll *facepalm*
Like the title sais it, should there be a way to let players buy an LTS, via in game means???
But first, to those of you that don't know what an LTS is or stands for... LTS means "Life Time Subscription"
The Current Legacy Pack is 16K ZEN, you could make it to where silver players can buy 1 month of Gold Membership for 10K ZEN or 15K zen, and having the ultimate LTS for the prize of 50K if not 100K ZEN... possibly even MORE Zen...
What do you guys think???
Should STO have this means via in game, for those players who can't afford to invest real life money to a game they love???
What are you thoughts... Yes or No, and why???
Would this make STO a P2P game?? or would it still be F2P if this where to be available... leave your thoughts...
No, people should not get rewarded THAT MUCH for zombie-like grinding...imean if you can grind dilithium for lifetime sub then go get a job and earn the money...
sub and lifetime sub are one of the only ways the game company makes money...
we already have botters... with ingame game subscribtiosn it woudl become worse...
P.S. You question is pretty much liek this:
Why isnt there a system that all people on earth have the same amount of money every day and if someone goes about or below the money limit it gets automaticly recharged...
why is there still wars on earth?
why isnt everything in life for free and everyone takes the job he loves... ?
Have lock boxes(a gambling device with infinitesimal odds) that can be opened only with a key bought with real money, while still charging subs and selling lifetimes.
The first point counters all other points
The game is being monetized heavily, even the Geko admits it. :rolleyes:
As the purchase of a LTS does generate revenue for Cryptic, it also causes a subsequent loss at the same time.
Think of it like this, a player pays the $200-300 subscription fee one time, after that they may never pay a single dime again.
Now during the course of their subscription, Cryptic throws them $5 worth of zen back each month, so after 4-6 years it has paid for itself (I know long time right).
Now that same player can earn even more zen, by simply grinding dilithium to trade for it, potentially causing less revenue from this player for not spending again any money.
The only real source of revenue for them, is the constant flow of incoming money from new micro-transactions, this is generated by people that actually fork over real money on a constant basis, or are fresh game player's looking to make purchases.
This, is also why lockboxes are considered a good source revenue for them, so long as people actually spend real money to open them, and not go about it with freely obtained means all the time.
ok lot here are always talking about how you can get everything in the game for free how all the content is free dont you now think you getting a little greedy? i see asking for this like asking for the moon
As the purchase of a LTS does generate revenue for Cryptic, it also causes a subsequent loss at the same time.
Think of it like this, a player pays the $200-300 subscription fee one time, after that they may never pay a single dime again.
Now during the course of their subscription, Cryptic throws them $5 worth of zen back each month, so after 4-6 years it has paid for itself (I know long time right).
Now that same player can earn even more zen, by simply grinding dilithium to trade for it, potentially causing less revenue from this player for not spending again any money.
The only real source of revenue for them, is the constant flow of incoming money from new micro-transactions, this is generated by people that actually fork over real money on a constant basis, or are fresh game player's looking to make purchases.
This, is also why lockboxes are considered a good source revenue for them, so long as people actually spend real money to open them, and not go about it with freely obtained means all the time.
My thoughts.
The people with more disposable income are more likely to buy a LTS (duh).
These people generally tend to be older and less likely to game hop.
Once paid we view the game as subscription based, but paid off and are more likely to come back even if we take a break.
Those who are older, here for the long haul and with more disposable income are more likely to spend more real money.
ok lot here are always talking about how you can get everything in the game for free how all the content is free dont you now think you getting a little greedy? i see asking for this like asking for the moon
I generally hate this term...I think it is usually used in inappropriate places...but...
Make it so that you can grind for LTS within the game...
I would say make cost a nice round 50,000 Zen.
Basically it will be the same as the version that you purchase ($300 USD / $200 USD when on sale). However, the following restriction applies:
#1 - The "unboxed" LTS is initially bound to the player's account.
#2 - When it is opened by a specific toon, the LTS then becomes bound to that toon so that only that toon can enjoy "LTS" status.
#3 - No monthly Zen stipend.
So what does that mean?
a) - Using recent exchange rate of 154 dilithium per 1 Zen, you need 7.7 million dilithium to get 50,000 Zen ($500 USD).
b) - If you have multiple toons and you want LTS status for each toon then you must grind another 7.7 million dilithium for each toon.
c) - Because the "in game LTS" is bound to a specific toon, deleting the toon will also delete the LTS.
d) - If you have an "in game LTS" that you have grinded for, but then decide you want to purchase an account wide LTS using real money you do not get any special discount.
What about adding LTS as a 1500-day Veteran reward?
PWE (or whoever currently runs STO) gets about 4 years of subscription fees out of someone, not including whatever they spend on the C-Store. Suddenly LTS becomes a real reward for those people who have been dedicated to the game for a long time.
I did like the way CoH did vet rewards, with the 'tree' approach. Every so often you got another point to unlock something on the veteran reward tree, and the longer you played, the higher up the tree you could get.
I had left CoH by then, but saw it on a friend's game, so I may have some of the details on how it worked wrong.
I do still think a one-off reward at 1500 days with an LTS could be an idea. Leave all the perks going up to 1000 days, then skip 500 days to this one last perk at 1500 as a sort of ultimate reward for supporting the game for so long.
What about adding LTS as a 1500-day Veteran reward?
PWE (or whoever currently runs STO) gets about 4 years of subscription fees out of someone, not including whatever they spend on the C-Store. Suddenly LTS becomes a real reward for those people who have been dedicated to the game for a long time.
No. For the last time, no. People with LTS paid for LTS. Stop asking to be given something you chose not to get.
Nice to see how for some people the LTS is the only thing they have "accomplished" in life the only thing that sets them apart from other people and makes them feel special and how they fight against the common F2P crowd to have access to it.
Kinda sad if a blue or red forum name is the only thing in ones life that's important....
Nice to see how for some people the LTS is the only thing they have "accomplished" in life the only thing that sets them apart from other people and makes them feel special and how they fight against the common F2P crowd to have access to it.
Kinda sad if a blue or red forum name is the only thing in ones life that's important....
and you write this.. because? if your not happy to fork out 300 dollars for the lts, thats your problem. you can either save like the rest of us and get it one day or you can leave it, but entitlement claims are rarely listened to even the ones who seem to think others look down on them. hardly, you cut yourself you bleed red, i cut myself i bleed red. :P
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
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so you dont give dilithium for the zen?You get dilithium without work?I think you are allergic to thinking.Think before you write BS like that.
what has that to do with LTS in c store?You'd need either zen or dilithium.
true, as does anything that is bought for zen but this does not stop players from getting them for free if they want to by selling dilithium on the exchange.
also anything that is currently sold from the c-store the zen that paid for it originated from real money transactions, the whole game`s survival depends on all of these zen purchases to stay alive.
what a player does with the zen they have either bought themselves with real cash or gained by other means is entirely their affair, if they choose to open lock boxes that is their choice or if they disapprove of them and choose to buy a ship or outfit or whatever that is also up to them, nobody holds a gun to their heads and forces them to open lockbox`s.
having said that lockbox keys are likely the most sold item in the store and thank god for them as the money spent on zen that buys all these keys is helping to keep the game afloat.
but getting back to the main topic the sale of lifetime subs on the c-store would be disastrous for the game for the reasons I outlined in a previous reply.
here > http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=17951941#post17951941
for these reasons monthly and lifetime subs can only ever be for cash only.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
we gave you answers and your not looking, anything further from your end obviously means you either intend to get your expected answer through a lie somewhere or intend to drag on a debate for an answer that has already been stated and continuing it will lead to a flame war for no reason after the fact.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I must admit when I was a free to play player the idea of getting lifetime on the c-store crossed my mind but I soon realised that it could never happen for the reasons I outline
here > http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=17951941#post17951941
I judge from your comments above that you obviously never read this as the truth within is undeniable and if any pro zen > lifetime poster had taken that posting as the fact as it is this conversation would have ended.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Knowledge is a lie, there is only ignorance.
Through ignorance, I gain cluelessness.
Through cluelessness, I gain mindlessness.
Through mindlessness, I gain incomprehension.
Through incomprehension, my dilithium is exchanged.
The zen shall free me.
Officially Nerfed In Early 2410
I take your point misguided as it is.
though zen is bought with real money that does not stop players getting zen by exchanging dil for zen with other players as I have done many times myself, by this means the item purchased on the c-store is essentially free for that player although as said someone else paid for the zen in the first place.
having said that the exchange of dilithium for zen as it stands is relatively small at the moment compared to what it would be like if free to play players and monthly subbers thought they could get lifetime on the c-store.
can you not imagine how the exchange rate would shoot through the roof as 90% of the current players suddenly start exchanging dil for zen in a mad bid to get enough together to buy a lifetime sub.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
someone needs to flush after your posts.
so you pay for the dilithium outside the game and they somehow transfer your the dilithium in game.Only you know the method.
Then they exploit it for LTS but not for the LOR 16.000zen pack in c store or other items.
Trolling much or you simply like BS ?
in closing I will just say - dream on.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
How many people have that kind of refined dilithium? At the current exchange rate it's 3mil dilithium for a lifetime and goes up to 4mil+ after the sale. With the 8k refining limit it would take more than a year. Think about it.
Officially Nerfed In Early 2410
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Officially Nerfed In Early 2410
Gold sellers sell EC not dilithium.You can't exchange dilithium...you don't even play the game but come here to troll *facepalm*
No, people should not get rewarded THAT MUCH for zombie-like grinding...imean if you can grind dilithium for lifetime sub then go get a job and earn the money...
sub and lifetime sub are one of the only ways the game company makes money...
we already have botters... with ingame game subscribtiosn it woudl become worse...
P.S. You question is pretty much liek this:
Why isnt there a system that all people on earth have the same amount of money every day and if someone goes about or below the money limit it gets automaticly recharged...
why is there still wars on earth?
why isnt everything in life for free and everyone takes the job he loves... ?
Why life isnt like Star trek?
i agree on that one... lockboxes are crazy
As the purchase of a LTS does generate revenue for Cryptic, it also causes a subsequent loss at the same time.
Think of it like this, a player pays the $200-300 subscription fee one time, after that they may never pay a single dime again.
Now during the course of their subscription, Cryptic throws them $5 worth of zen back each month, so after 4-6 years it has paid for itself (I know long time right).
Now that same player can earn even more zen, by simply grinding dilithium to trade for it, potentially causing less revenue from this player for not spending again any money.
The only real source of revenue for them, is the constant flow of incoming money from new micro-transactions, this is generated by people that actually fork over real money on a constant basis, or are fresh game player's looking to make purchases.
This, is also why lockboxes are considered a good source revenue for them, so long as people actually spend real money to open them, and not go about it with freely obtained means all the time.
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system Lord Baal is dead
My thoughts.
The people with more disposable income are more likely to buy a LTS (duh).
These people generally tend to be older and less likely to game hop.
Once paid we view the game as subscription based, but paid off and are more likely to come back even if we take a break.
Those who are older, here for the long haul and with more disposable income are more likely to spend more real money.
I generally hate this term...I think it is usually used in inappropriate places...but...
ENTITLEMENT.
"Discussing LTS via in game means"
to
"Gold selling scamers"....
Waaah??
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
well let it hit the fan then, when enough of it has hit the area, the mods will start getting a whiff of it before long.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
thats what you get with trolls.
Make it so that you can grind for LTS within the game...
I would say make cost a nice round 50,000 Zen.
Basically it will be the same as the version that you purchase ($300 USD / $200 USD when on sale). However, the following restriction applies:
#1 - The "unboxed" LTS is initially bound to the player's account.
#2 - When it is opened by a specific toon, the LTS then becomes bound to that toon so that only that toon can enjoy "LTS" status.
#3 - No monthly Zen stipend.
So what does that mean?
a) - Using recent exchange rate of 154 dilithium per 1 Zen, you need 7.7 million dilithium to get 50,000 Zen ($500 USD).
b) - If you have multiple toons and you want LTS status for each toon then you must grind another 7.7 million dilithium for each toon.
c) - Because the "in game LTS" is bound to a specific toon, deleting the toon will also delete the LTS.
d) - If you have an "in game LTS" that you have grinded for, but then decide you want to purchase an account wide LTS using real money you do not get any special discount.
PWE (or whoever currently runs STO) gets about 4 years of subscription fees out of someone, not including whatever they spend on the C-Store. Suddenly LTS becomes a real reward for those people who have been dedicated to the game for a long time.
I did like the way CoH did vet rewards, with the 'tree' approach. Every so often you got another point to unlock something on the veteran reward tree, and the longer you played, the higher up the tree you could get.
I had left CoH by then, but saw it on a friend's game, so I may have some of the details on how it worked wrong.
I do still think a one-off reward at 1500 days with an LTS could be an idea. Leave all the perks going up to 1000 days, then skip 500 days to this one last perk at 1500 as a sort of ultimate reward for supporting the game for so long.
No. For the last time, no. People with LTS paid for LTS. Stop asking to be given something you chose not to get.
Kinda sad if a blue or red forum name is the only thing in ones life that's important....
and you write this.. because? if your not happy to fork out 300 dollars for the lts, thats your problem. you can either save like the rest of us and get it one day or you can leave it, but entitlement claims are rarely listened to even the ones who seem to think others look down on them. hardly, you cut yourself you bleed red, i cut myself i bleed red. :P
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.