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xayssxayss Member Posts: 391 Arc User
Sorry to say but many ppl dont know how to use his own kits in special the engines the worts thing they try to doit elite when they dont know what todo and TRIBBLE up all :mad:

one simple example one elite or tactical borg
one noobie engine doit elite dont know how to use his own kit and end dead.

one trully engine easy can shut down weapons and put a croniton barrier around the borg and is dead.

the ppl knwo how to use his onw kits can easy doit khitomer ground in 5 mins all nodes . but with noobs inthe group the frist thing doit the noob is enter room and activate the nodes whth borgs around :mad: that is the trully noob XD
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  • onyxheart1onyxheart1 Member Posts: 347 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    *taps comm badge* Hmm seems the universal translator is on the fritz again...
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,014 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    onyxheart1 wrote: »
    *taps comm badge* Hmm seems the universal translator is on the fritz again...

    Translation: People don't play like I do, they suck ;)
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  • dapperdrakedapperdrake Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Many new players... Less veteran because a lot of them quit the game. So I think probably normal situation most of players don't know how to use kit. By the way, who is still playing ground STF? Last time I queued for ground STF. It was so long I took a nap and I missed the popup :D
  • temp3rustemp3rus Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    onyxheart1 wrote: »
    *taps comm badge* Hmm seems the universal translator is on the fritz again...

    Hmmmm, could be numb-tongue.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Translation: People don't play like I do, they suck ;)

    Thanks... I thought it was what he was saying, but wasn't quite sure.

    Good we have translators here... I'd be lost without you guys sometimes.
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  • yellowalertyellowalert Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Translation: People don't play like I do, they suck ;)

    Ah, the universal translator has come back online.
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  • razar2380razar2380 Member Posts: 1,187 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    This is always something that gets complained about. New players don't know how to properly do STFs, or any PVEs. Some (not all) of the new players doing them on Elite have tried them on Normal. One of two things happens.

    1- They are all new players, and there is no veteran to teach them what to do.
    Or
    2- They used tactics that worked in Normal, but not Elite.

    They are new, and sometimes just need some guidance. Besides, in the end, it is just a game, so really nothing to get upset about.
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    i'm not sure if i understand the OP fully, or correctly, but if he/she is saying that people in ground STFs aren't using any KIT powers, he is absolutely right...thx to shooter mode.

    Not saying that nobody is using KIT abilities in shooter mode, but the majority just doesn't. How i know this? well, i actually look at the buffs of my fellow grp members, and when you see people doing grp content without ever activating a single buff, you know the guy thinks he is playing CoD.

    This still needs some major refinement in regard to handling.
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  • nesomumi2nesomumi2 Member Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    xayss wrote: »
    Sorry to say but many ppl dont know how to use his own kits in special the engines the worts thing they try to doit elite when they dont know what todo and TRIBBLE up all :mad:

    one simple example one elite or tactical borg
    one noobie engine doit elite dont know how to use his own kit and end dead.

    one trully engine easy can shut down weapons and put a croniton barrier around the borg and is dead.

    the ppl knwo how to use his onw kits can easy doit khitomer ground in 5 mins all nodes . but with noobs inthe group the frist thing doit the noob is enter room and activate the nodes whth borgs around :mad: that is the trully noob XD

    why experience player like you is pubing?

    so you could get on forums and bash ppl?

    if you are so experience and god like, why dont you join some of more advance channels in the game, or hey, where is your fleet?

    sure, everyone's fault but yours. cry us a river.
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Hoshi, get back to work on that translator!
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    baudl wrote: »
    i'm not sure if i understand the OP fully, or correctly, but if he/she is saying that people in ground STFs aren't using any KIT powers, he is absolutely right...thx to shooter mode.

    Not saying that nobody is using KIT abilities in shooter mode, but the majority just doesn't. How i know this? well, i actually look at the buffs of my fellow grp members, and when you see people doing grp content without ever activating a single buff, you know the guy thinks he is playing CoD.

    This still needs some major refinement in regard to handling.

    Shooter-mode was a pretty unnecessary addition. I know of only one point in the game where it is useful. The DS9 promenade in "Boldly they Rode". Groups of Jem'hadar will shroud if you approach them. With shooter mode you can target them anyway before they attack you.
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  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    baudl wrote: »
    i'm not sure if i understand the OP fully, or correctly, but if he/she is saying that people in ground STFs aren't using any KIT powers, he is absolutely right...thx to shooter mode.

    Not saying that nobody is using KIT abilities in shooter mode, but the majority just doesn't. How i know this? well, i actually look at the buffs of my fellow grp members, and when you see people doing grp content without ever activating a single buff, you know the guy thinks he is playing CoD.

    This still needs some major refinement in regard to handling.

    You know that this doesnt mean he is in shooter modus? I love it, since I come from CS:S, and tend to instakill mobs with all classes...
  • jbmonroejbmonroe Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    xayss wrote: »
    Sorry to say but many ppl dont know how to use his own kits in special the engines the worts thing they try to doit elite when they dont know what todo and TRIBBLE up all :mad:

    one simple example one elite or tactical borg
    one noobie engine doit elite dont know how to use his own kit and end dead.

    one trully engine easy can shut down weapons and put a croniton barrier around the borg and is dead.

    the ppl knwo how to use his onw kits can easy doit khitomer ground in 5 mins all nodes . but with noobs inthe group the frist thing doit the noob is enter room and activate the nodes whth borgs around :mad: that is the trully noob XD
    razar2380 wrote: »
    This is always something that gets complained about. New players don't know how to properly do STFs, or any PVEs. Some (not all) of the new players doing them on Elite have tried them on Normal. One of two things happens.

    1- They are all new players, and there is no veteran to teach them what to do.
    Or
    2- They used tactics that worked in Normal, but not Elite.

    They are new, and sometimes just need some guidance. Besides, in the end, it is just a game, so really nothing to get upset about.

    Agreed. The first step toward a mature Theory of Mind is realizing that not everyone knows what you know or has done what you've done. Coming to that conclusion is more difficult for some people than others.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    anyone can go to youtube right????

    anyone can google right?????

    but then again i forget ppl get lost in exploration missions
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  • jenkaljenkal Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    xayss wrote: »
    Sorry to say but many ppl dont know how to use his own kits in special the engines the worts thing they try to doit elite when they dont know what todo and TRIBBLE up all :mad:

    one simple example one elite or tactical borg
    one noobie engine doit elite dont know how to use his own kit and end dead.

    one trully engine easy can shut down weapons and put a croniton barrier around the borg and is dead.

    the ppl knwo how to use his onw kits can easy doit khitomer ground in 5 mins all nodes . but with noobs inthe group the frist thing doit the noob is enter room and activate the nodes whth borgs around :mad: that is the trully noob XD

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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    jenkal wrote: »
    Commas are your friend.

    Maybe it's actually a new form of Limerick combined with internet speech & Jersey Shore gibberish.
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    woodwhity wrote: »
    You know that this doesnt mean he is in shooter modus? I love it, since I come from CS:S, and tend to instakill mobs with all classes...

    i normaly just ask if he/she uses shooter mode. How do you solve the problem of activating KIT and captain abilities in shooter mode?
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    can you not still hit 1 through 9 on the keyboard when in FPS mode is this not the same keys where kit power are placed by the player ?
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    can you not still hit 1 through 9 on the keyboard when in FPS mode is this not the same keys where kit power are placed by the player ?

    yes, problem is that 1-3 is occupied with your gun, 4-9 is only enough for you captain powers. another 4 for KIT and 4 for devices and another 3 for trait and other stuff are unreachable.
    even if you put your gun on something else like Alt 1-3...you are still a few too short
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    baudl wrote: »
    yes, problem is that 1-3 is occupied with your gun, 4-9 is only enough for you captain powers. another 4 for KIT and 4 for devices and another 3 for trait and other stuff are unreachable.

    shift 1 through 9 work the second row ;) this is pretty common in mmos wow works like this swtor also

    its Ctrl or Alt works the third row

    cant recall without loging in imo this not worth the time
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    shift 1 through 9 work the second row ;) this is pretty common in mmos wow works like this swtor also

    its Ctrl or Alt works the third row

    cant recall without loging in imo this not worth the time

    no, it's Ctrl...shift is running.
    Anyway, this is not the question. In my experiance, when i see people in grp maps never using a buff, they are using shooter mode. True, there are also that ignore buffs also in RPG mode, but atleast to me it seems that shooter mode users tend to ignore abilities.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    baudl wrote: »
    no, it's Ctrl...shift is running.
    Anyway, this is not the question. In my experiance, when i see people in grp maps never using a buff, they are using shooter mode. True, there are also that ignore buffs also in RPG mode, but atleast to me it seems that shooter mode users tend to ignore abilities.

    i was wrong about the shift but Ctrl and Alt do work the other rows what the C1 A1 stands for

    shift works the second UI bar
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    i was wrong about the shift but Ctrl and Alt do work the other rows what the C1 A1 stands for

    shift works the second UI bar

    yes, but why do you compare 2 RPG games with the "shooter mode" in STO?
    Name one shooter instead that has 15+ abilities. There is none, because taking an RPG and implementing a free aim mode is not the same as making a 3rd person shooter.
    Now if STO only had 5-6 abilities, it would work...and there are quite a few shooter games that do.

    not the only problem with "shooter mode" anyway...latency when shooting, healing others or giving your ground crew commands, when aiming in shooter mode, you practically see nothing anymore.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    baudl wrote: »
    yes, but why do you compare 2 RPG games with the "shooter mode" in STO?
    Name one shooter instead that has 15+ abilities. There is none, because taking an RPG and implementing a free aim mode is not the same as making a 3rd person shooter.
    Now if STO only had 5-6 abilities, it would work...and there are quite a few shooter games that do.

    not the only problem with "shooter mode" anyway...latency when shooting, healing others or giving your ground crew commands, when aiming in shooter mode, you practically see nothing anymore.

    im done replying to you now you know about A1 C1 so on do with it what you will

    and this why i now make jokes all i can about ppl getting lost in exploration missions
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    baudl wrote: »
    no, it's Ctrl...shift is running.
    Anyway, this is not the question. In my experiance, when i see people in grp maps never using a buff, they are using shooter mode. True, there are also that ignore buffs also in RPG mode, but atleast to me it seems that shooter mode users tend to ignore abilities.

    And how do you see who is using what mode? There is no Icon for shooter or rpg. The only icon is for zooming/sniping, which both modi have.
  • thestargazethestargaze Member Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I think the normal que STF should be available earlier so new toons or players can practice earlier... OR have the elite open up not until you get the omega ground set or... have x number of normal STFs before the elite ones are opened up? And this being STF mission specific. Problem solved..

    I mean the best way to fix this is to give out STF schools where you basically are trained in a training camp. Usually this exist in fleets but most of them die out after a while. I was trained though my fleet and sadly I don't see any of these practices today in same fleet. So many new people don't get the practice.

    + There is always a very small percentage that never listen you no matter how much you try to explain how the STF works LOL
  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    xayss wrote: »
    Sorry to say but many ppl dont know how to use his own kits in special the engines the worts thing they try to doit elite when they dont know what todo and TRIBBLE up all :mad:

    Sorry to say it, but many people also don't know how to use their own keyboards. The same bunch who get lost in exploration clusters would be my guess.
  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    baudl wrote: »
    yes, problem is that 1-3 is occupied with your gun, 4-9 is only enough for you captain powers. another 4 for KIT and 4 for devices and another 3 for trait and other stuff are unreachable.
    even if you put your gun on something else like Alt 1-3...you are still a few too short

    ???

    Doesn't anyone remap their tray?
    I have used shooter mode since I started playing. (eleven months later found out there even was an rpg shoot mode. :eek: )
    And I have always reset both my ground and space trays so I can find the effects I want and when.
    And last ground stf I was on I used my medical kit and sci abilities in shooter mode. Just aim at the party member you want to heal and press the corresponding ability key.

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  • ghyudtghyudt Member Posts: 1,112 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Its a learning experience for a lot of players. They play the normal stfs a few times to figure out what to do, and once they've got it down, they move on to elite. This is where people start complaining about noons. The first time in an elite stf is a surprise. We all know its gonna be harder, but how much harder is completely unknown. Just because a certain setup worked well in the normal mode, doesn't mean its gonna work in elite.

    To the OP, I say chill out and stop whining. If you don't wanna vet stuck with noons, stop doing pugs. (Also, please stop using Google translate and just learn proper English).

    To the new players, ignore the OP. Don't let people like that dictate where you play. Keep at it, and learn what to do. If you need help, you can post in the forums and someone is bound to give advice, or you can search for an open thread and get help there.
  • ussdelphin2ussdelphin2 Member Posts: 525 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    nesomumi2 wrote: »
    cry us a river.

    That's soooooo 10 years ago :D Did make me chuckle though! :P
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