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craig76
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When will DX 11 be fixed in this game?
I keep trying once in a while, but still nothing is done to fix it.
This will be about my 4th thread i have posted in the past year about this problem.
Game plays fine and all, but taking screenshots, they turn out all different colors except for the colors they are supposed to be. I've tried everything in the ingame options and the nvidia control panel and nothing works. They either turn out with a red tinge or a blue tinge.
I would like to be able to make full use of my gpu's by playing in DX 11 AND SLi. But i cant till this is fixed.
I thought it was fixed when they changed the options menu last year, but its still here :rolleyes:
Oh, the other thing is the original keybind to take screenshots with, doesnt work still. Had to bind another key to get screenshots to take screenshots.
I keep trying once in a while, but still nothing is done to fix it.
This will be about my 4th thread i have posted in the past year about this problem.
Game plays fine and all, but taking screenshots, they turn out all different colors except for the colors they are supposed to be. I've tried everything in the ingame options and the nvidia control panel and nothing works. They either turn out with a red tinge or a blue tinge.
I would like to be able to make full use of my gpu's by playing in DX 11 AND SLi. But i cant till this is fixed.
I thought it was fixed when they changed the options menu last year, but its still here :rolleyes:
Oh, the other thing is the original keybind to take screenshots with, doesnt work still. Had to bind another key to get screenshots to take screenshots.
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Do you think the game is going to run smoothly using SLI? and what makes you think you can use sli with DX11 and not with DX9?? DX9 is capable of SLI as well.
The lack of performance is due to a bad optimized engine, if you going to use SLI because you want more framerates, that is a huge mistake, you are not going to get more framerates or more stability.
You should take around to the graphical bugs section of the forums.
I can use DX11 with no problems at all, same as A LOT (probably almost all of em) people. Unless you have a really old card, there is nothing that will make you not be able to use DX11. Yes, in some systems using DX11 carries some problems, but as i said, it is due to a lack of optimization of the game engine, and there is nothing cryptic can do. It is the same case of the performance bugs all around the forums. Well, they could UPGRADE the engine, that will be a solution, but of course that requires money... so.
About the screenshots key, i assign the same key "S" to all my characters with no problems, just with the /bind S "screenshot_jpg" command line. I dont have any problems at all. The orignal screenshot key never worked for me either. It will not take a screenshot into my screenshot folders. And for a lot of users. But as other things, you should not wait cryptic to fix it, cuz its probably it will never happen. Just use a customized screenshot bind and thats all. Its the only way.
the point of this thread, is because you can not take screenshots. Not unless you like looking at them with either a red tinge or blue tinge.
I said " i can play the game but can not take screenshots without them having colored tinges thru them" Its like the whole screen is like it.
Another thing, i shouldnt have to bind another screenshot key.
Furthermore, i want to use DX 11 because it has better quality then DX 9. I did say the game plays fine
That is the reason i was asking why you want to use so desperately DX11. So, yes i read your post, it just it made no sense to me that someone wants to use DX11 in this game so badly. You said "i need DX11 to be able to use SLI" or something like that (cant remember the exact words while im writting). And i told you DX11 has nothing to do with that. So, before anything, relax.
And i dont think DX9 has something to do with the fact of not be able to take screenshots propertly. That is something else. I had the same problem using DX9 or using DX11. And again, i used to play in DX11 and the quality was exactly the same. So, i switched back to DX9. Since it gives more performance (at least that is what it seems but i really cant tell).
lol. oki deserve that :P
i can take screenshots no probs in dx 9. Can even use original bind for it, which i do. But, because i want to use dx 11, it takes screenshots where there is all this red and blue tinge going thru it. Looks horrible.
However, i guess it comes to personal preference, and what one can see. I see it does make a slight improvement with dx 11, graphics just look smoother again, and more crisp.
I do agree with one thing you said, an upgrade of the graphics engine would be nice. I mean, compare sto to some of pwe's other games and graphics look amazing. Nice round edges instead of points on them etc. But anyway, yes, i can use sli, maybe i didnt word it right before. I can play in dx 11, but i take an awful lot of screenies. One every 5 secs lol.
I'd use fraps which i have to get past it, but it takes screenshots of everything, to get past that i would behiding the UI all the time. To much messin around with.
Dude, if you use Antialiasing 8x, for example in DX9 you get nice round edges already. Maybe you are not using AA in DX9??
Well, i did thousands of test trying to find any quality difference between DX9 and DX11 time ago, and i coudnt find anything. I am going to tell you 1 thing, the only difference between DX9 and DX11 is that you will be able to use a new mode of antialiasing. MSA. Maybe that is what is making you believe the quality is better, but its the opposite. This mode smooths the borders at the same time, making the grafics smoother but less sharp. The result is a smoother graphic but with loss on the definition. This mode is designed to use AA with better performance, thats all, but its even worst than the original AA.
And that is the only new thing that DX11 introduces. The general graphics quality is exactly the same.
I agree that the graphics of STO are really good, if we talk about a game from the year 2010, and for a MMORPG, but right now, even if they still look nice most of the times (with the exception of some cases with terrible textures, awful planet textures and really bad implemented texture maps), its obvious that they need to be upgraded. Mostly because the engine cant hold on anymore. And cryptic seem to be not aware of it
I done my own tests, and i think some things stand out more. Example, the character selection screen, i found the characters and the ship in the background had more depth.
As for everything looking smooth and rounded, have another look, a close look. Where it should be round and smooth, it has points on it. Example, the saucer sections of a ship, shoulders of a character, just to name 2 things
PWE would be aware of it. Otherwise they wouldnt have put the DX 11 in the game to begin with.
As for money upgrading the engine, they could do it. They make a mint from all their games
But anyway, my point to this thread is they have the DX 11 ingame already, so why not fix the screenshots issue so we can use it? Instead of this debate
And the Antialiasing (the option that reduces those sharp edges etc) is the same in DX9 and DX11 lol, so its impossible that things look "smoother" or more rounded.
DX11 is there because it was an option in the beginning and cryptic was planned to make some improvements, but those improvements never happened (as so many other things).
You should check other posts, with people complaining about that lack of definition you talking about, for example, the option "depth of field" can make that foozy aspect you talking about in DX9 , but is the same as well in DX11. But the game looks as smooth and sharp in DX9 than DX11, exactly the same. I dunno what option are you using that makes it looks "worst" in DX9 for you.
And upgrading the engine cost money, and seeing what ive saw so far, cryptic is not willing to waste 1 single cent on anything, so the upgraded engine is a no no. Sadly. They NEED to upgrade it, but they wont, so i guess they are willing to accept a massive lost of customers by the end of the year. That must be in their expectations.
SLI doesn't give you double the GPU memory. Your basically limited to 4Gigs.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/slizone_ask_mmm013.html
nope, all settings set to quality in nvidia control panel and in game because my machine can handle it and still have performance, but still see what i can only describe as points on the ships saucer etc. They are not round and smooth. Ive spent days on end to try and get rid of that look and have come to see that its not my machine, but rather their graphics.
Next you will try to tell me there is nothing wrong with costumes. That they are not clipped when just about every costume is
Just because you cant see it, doesnt mean that no one else notices the points. I for one do. I have a good eye for detail.
Again. My main point is fix the screenshots in DX 11 mode! Its not a big fix, but needs to be fixed. Whats the problem with that? Why debate it? They have DX 11 there so we can use it. I want to use it and be able to take screenshots without them looking horrible. Is that ok with you?
Why do i want to use it so bad as you put it? Because i want to, because it is there for us to use, if they didnt want us to use DX 11, they wouldnt have put it ingame. Simple as that.
i wish they would fix this too. i play the game using dx11, but don't take screenshots because they turn out shocking.
Finally, someone sticking to the topic, being DX 11 SCREENSHOTS
Works for me. I am using a single GTX 780. The game seems washed out compared to the screenshoot I took
screenshot doesnt look like it has red and blue tinge going thru it?
Cause ive tried on 2 different machines with 2 different cards with same result. Both cards are under a year old
But it could be one of those problems where it affects some people, and not others too. Just a thought
So obviously it isn't just me thats having this issue of the red or blue tinge to screenshots then. I posted images ages ago. But devs didnt reply and i let go....this time im not letting it go. This letting go bugs for 4 yrs is a joke. My last post about this problem was last year.
Your image of the DX 11 was what i was talking about, the blue tinge to everything. But seems it depends on what you are taking a screen shot of you get a red tinge instead.
Thanks for agreeing and posting
how is this helping anyone? By creating a unnecessary debate, going off topic, and trying to make them see YOUR POINT, rather respecting someones wishes and wanting to use dx 11 and take screenshots. If you were helping, you would say something like " have you tried changing settings somewhere " THAT IS HELPING
No, but going by all this great debate over i shouldnt use dx 11 is helpful in your eyes....i'll use what i want to use. I can think for myself troll
i am? who is the one resorting to name calling? YOU!
Anyone else that use DX 11 and has the same issue with screenshots?
unikon posted screenshots as to what i am referring to. He beat me to it, i had it on the " To Do List " lol
I have messed with the settings hoping it would go away, but cant seem to get it take screenshots properly
They completely fudged the graphics at S9 release. Before I could run everything on med-high on a 300 toshiba. Now I have a Asus with AMD A10 quadcore with 8gb of Ram and a Raedon 8670M and can only run on medium. I know its nothing to write home about but you get my drift.
I had to reset and pick and choose things to get max graphics without suffering horrible FPS loss or quality issues like fuzziness. I know post processing seems to add a reddish hue to things. Ive seen a little bit of the coloration as you mentioned but nothing on that level as to the pics you posted.
I know updating to the latest Beta driver for me has helped a ton, I know its silly but is everything up to date driver/software wise?
I am not sure what my machine chooses to run with it on auto but my screen shots turn out all right.
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Well, this issue has been on going ever since i could start using DX 11. Which was last year. I've tried everything from bare minimum to gradually increasing to the auto detect or whatever it is.. And i just cant seem to get screenshots in its proper colors. I might just try again tonight when i log in, been a while since i last tested it, a month or 2, maybe 3 lol.
I get your drift
Everything is up to date, pc does it auto for me, downloads everything and then notifies me to do a install. Have it set like that just in case im in the middle of a mission or something, it doesnt decide to reboot the pc automatically on me, and im left with " doh!, stupid auto install " lol
The only thing i can think of, since ive tried everything else, is its the game itself. But im hoping a dev will get back to me about it with a reply.
Well the first response i will give you is, that cryptic is not really paying too much attention to this. They cant just "reset" the graphic settings because they probably changed something in the engine, that they need to change again in order to go back to the previous graphic settings before season 9.
And since that will carry a lot of time and efforts, and money they are not willing to do it. At least the didnt show any interest in solving this particular critical issue.
Using DX9 or DX11 is not the problem at all. You will get almost the same performance using one or another. DX11 in this game is only included to make some videocards more compatible, but thats all. Its pure decorative. Theorically DX11 gives you more performance, but in this case.. we cant even know. And no, the game doenst have an option to pick automatically your graphic settings, and if that would be the case, it will dont matter at all. As i said, even if the game put your settings on minimum detail, it will not make any difference.
We dont need more proofs. Updating drivers will not help. If i can run modern games at maximum settings without worrying about fps issues, i should run STO at maximum settings even 20 times more than that without any fps drop at all. It is not acceptable that this game, with an obsolete engine and 5 years old cant be played at maximum settings without problems.
Postprocessing actually is not a big deal. Dynamic lighting is the big brother of fps performance. But even if you put all the graphics at minimum settings, again you will notice fps lag in some zones, something really really stupid lol.
If someone have doubts, just remember this -> why the hell can i run ANY game i want , including the most modern ones with complex graphics without even a FPS issue , and i cant do the same with STO??? specially when STO is so old?? you dont need more than this question to realize how bad is the game engine performing.
Again, it isnt a issue with the DX 11 and playing the game, it is the SCREENSHOTS!
You say you read the posts, but what you say makes no sense at all because you keep drifting away from the issue.
Having outdated drivers can cause all sorts of issues playing a game, including screenshots. Thats why the devs tell us, make sure your drivers are up to date.
" Using DX9 or DX11 is not the problem at all " You said this.
Thats what i have been saying all along, but in your earlier posts you made out it was dx 11 the cause.
As for no difference. again, someone else even backed me up on here saying there is a difference using DX 11, and here you are saying things like " why would you want use it anyway?" or " there is no difference "
If people want to use it, why question them? I dont understand why you would have a problem if someone does want to use it. I mean, doesnt affect you does it?
Does DX 9 use Tessellation? Answer is no. Which is a better AA than the DX 9 version which uses msaa
Tessellation further smoothes edges. Making it look more crisp. There is also a performance raise in DX 11. I have looked this up myself on different forums and even Nvidia to back myself up.
It is really funny how you constantly quotes me when there is no need, and then you write a full comment that has no sense at all. But i am the one who is harrasing you and writting stupid responses to people. Very funny, little kid.
The game never had an "auto" button to reset the graphics, so any person will assume he was talking about cryptic resetting the graphics before season 9.
And what the hell is your problem with me tallking about DX11??? for god sake, DX11 theorically improves performance, that is what cryptic said when they implemented it, THATS THE ONLY THING IT DOES. But a lot of people tested it and in most of the cases it is not true. If someone wants to use it, thats not my problem, as you say. If he gets more performance, thats great, but in most of the cases, that will not be true. But of course, because someone "else" said to you that DX11 improves performance, you believe him, and the other 1000 persons who said it not true, you dont.
Screenshots. You said you cant take screenshots in DX11. I ask you why you using DX11.. you tell me because the "Quality" is better. I tell you that its not. So there is no reason to use DX11 and you should use DX9 allowing yo to TAKE SCREENSHOTS. What the hell is wrong with this answer?? or i am talking to a 10 years old kid?
But if you ask about problems using DX11 and the difference between DX9 is NONE, what the hell do you think any person will answer you????? why the hell are you using DX11?? do you understand now?
I never said DX11 was a problem i said that in some videocards / systems, DX11 doesnt work as well as DX9. And if you feel using DX11 your game is not performing fine, you should change to DX9 and check it out. You, as always made all my words out of context, as you doing since i met you, for a reason i will never understand.
Why the hell do you go to the nvidia forums to check if DX11 gives more performance?? god.. what a kid. DX11 depends ON THE GAME, some games will perform better, some others dont. And this last case is the case of STO, maybe some people notice more performance using DX11 but most of the people dont. Have you even bothered to visit any other thread than just this one?? because i dont think so. You are here only to troll people, as i see.
And tesellation does NOTHING to do with Antialiasing. Not only you write things just to make me mad, with no sense at all, you even write things to miss inform people.
Everytime i read one of your responses i think you are just a kid, that for some reason wants to troll everytime people like me that only tries to help. This is the last time i respond to any of your answers. Since they seem the classic response of a kid.
But what i am not going to do is to leave you alone here in this thread to be the only one answering people's doubts. Because you going to miss inform em all the time. It seems that you only writes here in the graphic bugs forum to quote my responses. Well, this is the last time i answer to you, but i will keep helping people. But i dont think the "help" word is in your vocabulary.
Dude, take a chill pill. I was actually trying to be civil. But here you are again calling me names when there is no need for it.
You obviously havent seen captainsmirks comment in the other thread that he will ban us both if this doesnt stop. I apologized and you are still ranting. Im fed up.....but you call me a kid? Whatever.......rack off, leave me alone for petes sake
This is harassment, " But what i am not going to do is to leave you alone " and it also trying to create a flame fest.....im going to be the bigger man here and say, im not biting....you can say what you like about me, i do not care anymore
Being civil, i think Nvidia would know more about the DX mechaincs than both of us...agreed? That is why i looked it up. But you call me a kid for doing some research? lol what ever man
I didnt call you a kid for doing some research, that in this case is useless by the way,i did it because there is no point to go to the nvidia page to look for that. Since that information is completely useless in this case.
You should been banned time ago when you started quoting my posts trolling me and writting in capital letters the entire post back in the days. And i am the only one who is doing wrong? lol. The only reason i should apologyze is for keeping answering you. Thats all. Because there is no sense to talk with someone acting like a child. So i apologyze for being stupid and keep talking to you. But keep in mind im not going to answer or quote you again, you should do the same. But i guess this is going to be hard for you.
But you keep referring to me as a "child" or a " kid".
You are also making false accusations about me saying i am misinforming people. Who said whos advice is the correct advice to begin with? All i said was i done my own reasearch.
And you dont quote me all the time? Everyone quotes everyone....well, most of the time, thats why they have a " quote" feature in the forums
I didnt say you had to apologize. I said i apologized. But in all honesty, i apologized to everyone else for seeing this rubbish. I am not apologizing to you when you keep calling me names and accusing me of things.
I tried being civil with you in the post above, and you took my head off. I cant be civil with you, you proved that....