...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
Orci will either turn out to be a good director, or not.
Honestly, I don't know that we have enough information to get excited or upset.
I'm going to watch the movie no matter how bad it is.
I love Star Trek. Part of the reason I love Star Trek is because of how bad it is. When your expectations are lowered, you look forward to movies like this.
with that issue with his breathing and old age requiring the use of an oxygen bottle, tube and mask if he were able to work he would of been able to do it about 10 years ago, however he can no longer do that stuff today. i cant see nimoy being upto reprising his role as spock again, im sure he would like to try for a bit role to finish his character off completely, but there is more then one thing saying no, his body, his family and doctors. we already lost one good actor in ralph waite, we dont need to loose another one so soon.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Spock in STO is dead. We all believed he died getting sucked into a black hole anomaly after trying to save Romulus and Remus from destruction.
He narrates the sector blocks in-character, but narration has never meant the character is still alive, as proved in numerous movies, television shows, and video games.
Quinto is already in STO anyway, he plays a holographic doctor in the tutorial who sounds a lot like Spock.
Honestly, just let Leonard Nimoy enjoy retirement. He's done more than enough for the franchise.
You misunderstand. I don't want Nimoy to return to STO to voice Spock. Spock should just return to the Prime universe in canon. They could do it in a book or have Q show up and pick up Spock and just port him out in a flash of light. Just at some point, Spock needs to return to the Prime timeline. I don't want Spock to die in the Alternate timeline and Nu-Spock goes "The Prime Timeline needs me more than this one" and takes Prime Spock's place as Ambassador or some crazy like that. Spock Prime should end his days in the Prime universe. It's where Jim is, and Spock and Jim deserve to spend the eternity of the Nexus hanging out.
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"
Why should the younger Spock decide that another universe "needs him" more than the one he's already in?
Here in the Prime timeline of STO, Kirk is dead. Spock is missing and presumed dead. McCoy, Sulu, Uhura - all the old gang are dead now. There's an outside chance Scotty's still flying around out there somewhere in the shuttle Picard gave him, but he'd have to be pushing 140 by now...
(Oh, there are those who hold that Chekov is still alive, and involved in Starfleet Intelligence, but that's totally non-canon so far.)
If Q or the Traveler or whoever were to bring PrimeSpock back to the Prime timeline, Kirk would still have been dead since the end of Generations. (Dropped a Bridge On Him is even a trope over at TVTropes!) If you want Spock to end in the Nexus with his old buddy, well, who says the Nexus only exists in one timeline at a time?
I have serious doubts about the selection of Orci as a director for this project. This is obviously a case of nepotistic bros hanging out out spitballing ideas, and Orci being all "Yeah, I'll have a crack at it... Like I had a crack at yo mamma!" The laughing dies down, and that's the decision made... After what he wrote about fans criticising his work, I think he's an arrogant hack who doesn't deserve the situation he is in (although I will admit, I do like Hawaii 5-0...) I think it will be passably directed, but AI doubt it will be inspiring... Happy to be proven wrong, and time will tell :cool:
Working with JJ and other directors, hopefully Orci has learned how to not direct a movie :P
At least I won't have to wear sunglasses in the theater from the lens flair.
You misunderstand. I don't want Nimoy to return to STO to voice Spock. Spock should just return to the Prime universe in canon. They could do it in a book or have Q show up and pick up Spock and just port him out in a flash of light. Just at some point, Spock needs to return to the Prime timeline. I don't want Spock to die in the Alternate timeline and Nu-Spock goes "The Prime Timeline needs me more than this one" and takes Prime Spock's place as Ambassador or some crazy like that. Spock Prime should end his days in the Prime universe. It's where Jim is, and Spock and Jim deserve to spend the eternity of the Nexus hanging out.
In that case, just tell yourself that Spock is still alive in whatever "Prime" timeline you want him to be in that isn't STO's timeline.
Like maybe some of the novels or what have you.
Then again, the character of Spock will have to come to terms with a Romulan people who blame him for the destruction of their homeworld. Nero couldn't by any means be the only person who has an axe to grind with him.
His failure in preventing that was something he has to live with. And in the alternate timeline in the new movies kind of brings some closure to that with him attempting to help his people, since he partially blames himself for Nero destroying Vulcan.
Gotta live with your mistakes, not run away into another timeline. You could even argue if he returned to the 'Prime' timeline it would not necessarily be the same one.
Working with JJ and other directors, hopefully Orci has learned how to not direct a movie :P
At least I won't have to wear sunglasses in the theater from the lens flair.
Maybe this next movie will be called "The Wrath of Lens flares".:P
spock should find it illogical to blame himself, since he did everything he could
Yes, but we saw how broken up about it he was in the first movie. In fact that was a pretty unambiguous plot point. I don't think Spock could have spelled it out any clearer than that -- which is why he decided to help the Vulcans who lost their world while the new Spock could remain on the Enterprise.
Since he also wanted to resign from Starfleet and help the survivors of Vulcan.
And like I already mentioned, if Spock returns to the prime universe -- supposing he's even able to... he has to deal with a lot of pissed off romulans.
Nero was just one. The rest of the Romulans would make him wish he stayed in the alternate timeline.
And it's not like Spock's protege D'Tan would ever have been trusted in a position of power after-- ... ohhhh...
Even JJ made better films than Insurrection, so I doubt this guy can reach that low too.
lol, i dont think into darkness is better than insurrection lol. Its not always all about special effects.. into darkness was just well, really absurd in all aspects. Star trek fans were terrified with into darkness, but insurrection still had that trek feeling at some points.
And like I already mentioned, if Spock returns to the prime universe -- supposing he's even able to... he has to deal with a lot of pissed off romulans.
Nero was just one. The rest of the Romulans would make him wish he stayed in the alternate timeline.
And it's not like Spock's protege D'Tan would ever have been trusted in a position of power after-- ... ohhhh...
Which Romulans? The ones who discovered that their new home is not only more fertile in resources than their old home but also home to one of the ancient blades of their people? The ones who learned to move past their old lifestyle of self delusional superiority over the Federation and Klingons and learned to be a free people? The Romulans who reconciled with their Reman brethren and now have a more peaceful and meaningful relationship with the rest of the Alpha Quadrant?
The Romulans would freaking make Spock a HERO for failing to prevent Romulus' destruction. Especially since they know there was nothing he could do anyway because it was an Iconian plot, so really once we defeat the Iconians, New Romulus should be okay on the whole revenge front.
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"
Well, other than the division of the Star Trek fanbase with the JJ Trek movies, considering the state of Trek since Nemesis and before JJ Trek... what else can go wrong?
Because dangit, if Michael Keaton can become Batman despite everyone saying, "HELL TO THE F'ING NO!," and actually come off being the best (with C.Bale), then Orci may surprise us.
Well, other than the division of the Star Trek fanbase with the JJ Trek movies, considering the state of Trek since Nemesis and before JJ Trek... what else can go wrong?
Because dangit, if Michael Keaton can become Batman despite everyone saying, "HELL TO THE F'ING NO!," and actually come off being the best (with C.Bale), then Orci may surprise us.
Again, what else can go wrong for Trek? :P
Cute that you went to the Keaton Batman. Also lets us know you are a Batfleck fan.
Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done. :mad:
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"
I'm sure whatever the movie will be, Star Trek fans will find a way to hate and loathe it.
Which would mean it will be a great Star Trek movie.
This. This so, so much. ST09 and Into Darkness were great, great movies, but since Trekkies are just poisonous, vile grognards that can't accept anything new, they'll spew their poison on good movies.
This. This so, so much. ST09 and Into Darkness were great, great movies, but since Trekkies are just poisonous, vile grognards that can't accept anything new, they'll spew their poison on good movies.
and yet your here doing the spitting poison. ironic. one of the same from the old block huh.
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I wonder how they will resolve the issue that all future Star Trek movies set in the JJ Universe are pointless with the interstellar transporter removing the need for any ship and Khan's magic blood removing all sense of danger.
and yet your here doing the spitting poison. ironic. one of the same from the old block huh.
Well, I AM a trekkie, so yeah, I'm spewing poison at the nonsensical haters.
Unlike the haters, however, I accept NewTrek and embrace it, instead of badmouthing it at every corner. As if there haven't been any bad Trek movies before the new ones (TMP? Star Trek: Hippie Space Captains Save Whales: the Movie?)
I wonder how they will resolve the issue that all future Star Trek movies set in the JJ Universe are pointless with the interstellar transporter removing the need for any ship and Khan's magic blood removing all sense of danger.
Khan's blood is augmented blood, you can't use augmented anything since, y'know, it's illegal. Just sayin'.
This. This so, so much. ST09 and Into Darkness were great, great movies, but since Trekkies are just poisonous, vile grognards that can't accept anything new, they'll spew their poison on good movies.
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Are you SERIOUS?????
Wow. Not only is this belittling and insulting to everyone else on these forums, it's just plain wrong in every way.
JJTrek has railroad plots full of holes, bad acting, bad astronomy, overly long action scenes, bad special effects, bad blatant attempts to sex up Trek, and worst of all it's BORING. Plus, it takes itself far too seriously despite being full of absolutely awful "humor".
JJTrek is like ST5, only shinier. In other words; it's utter and complete drek.
Wow. Not only is this belittling and insulting to everyone else on these forums, it's just plain wrong in every way.
JJTrek has railroad plots full of holes, bad acting, bad astronomy, overly long action scenes, bad special effects, bad blatant attempts to sex up Trek, and worst of all it's BORING. Plus, it takes itself far too seriously despite being full of absolutely awful "humor".
JJTrek is like ST5, only shinier. In other words; it's utter and complete drek.
You complain about bad acting yet you don't acknowledge Shatner's horribad acting in TOS? Sex up Trek? Shall we bring up William Theiss and his sexilicious female costume designs? At least TNG sexed up the men as well, TOS only did so to the women.
Boring? TOS is boring. The first 2 seasons of TNG were boring. TMP was boring. Saving the Whales the Movie was boring.
You complain about bad acting yet you don't acknowledge Shatner's horribad acting in TOS? Sex up Trek? Shall we bring up William Theiss and his sexilicious female costume designs? At least TNG sexed up the men as well, TOS only did so to the women.
Boring? TOS is boring. The first 2 seasons of TNG were boring. TMP was boring. Saving the Whales the Movie was boring.
Translation: You don't care that JJTrek sucks, you just want to start a fight.
Translation: You don't care that JJTrek sucks, you just want to start a fight.
You are pathetic.
What? Start a fight? I literally just stated facts, man. You're being hard-headed and stubborn and you refuse to believe there was really bad content in pre-JJtrek Trek. I present facts and you come at me with... that sentence?
Translation: You don't care that JJTrek sucks, you just want to start a fight.
You are pathetic.
Sucking and not sucking are matters of opinion.
For example, I think TOS the TV series is probably the worst of the Star Trek TV series. The movies, on the other hand, are enjoyable (Except for 5, that one should be struck from canon).
TNG+ is generally where I think Star Trek hit it's best, including the TNG movies. Voyager, for all it's flaws, has also produced the only characters I really seem to care about reading about in novel form at the moment.
JJTrek is not the best Trek out there, but it's certainly not the worst Trek out there either. And the last one was definitely not as good as the previous one.
What? Start a fight? I literally just stated facts, man. You're being hard-headed and stubborn and you refuse to believe there was really bad content in pre-JJtrek Trek. I present facts and you come at me with... that sentence?
I rest my case, my point is proven.
Wrong. Yes, Trek has bad bits. JJTrek is concentrated bad with nothing to redeem it. You have offered nothing to support JJTrek or your point. You are simply being patronizing and insulting to literally everyone else here.
Please stop being a jerk.
Also, don't diss ST4. A lot of people, myself included, liked it a LOT.
Finally, your confrontational attitude isn't winning you any friends.
You complain about bad acting yet you don't acknowledge Shatner's horribad acting in TOS?
Shatner was mostly good. Have you even watched TOS? 99% of Shatner parodies are based off one performance from "The Omega Glory" (which was a bad episode all around) (and was actually decent acting: how else could a Canadian get into such passion from quoting the US Constitution :P). True, his style wasn't exactly subtle, but that was how they rolled back then...and most importantly, that's how the character was written.
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Orci will either turn out to be a good director, or not.
Honestly, I don't know that we have enough information to get excited or upset.
I'm going to watch the movie no matter how bad it is.
I love Star Trek. Part of the reason I love Star Trek is because of how bad it is. When your expectations are lowered, you look forward to movies like this.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
You misunderstand. I don't want Nimoy to return to STO to voice Spock. Spock should just return to the Prime universe in canon. They could do it in a book or have Q show up and pick up Spock and just port him out in a flash of light. Just at some point, Spock needs to return to the Prime timeline. I don't want Spock to die in the Alternate timeline and Nu-Spock goes "The Prime Timeline needs me more than this one" and takes Prime Spock's place as Ambassador or some crazy like that. Spock Prime should end his days in the Prime universe. It's where Jim is, and Spock and Jim deserve to spend the eternity of the Nexus hanging out.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
Here in the Prime timeline of STO, Kirk is dead. Spock is missing and presumed dead. McCoy, Sulu, Uhura - all the old gang are dead now. There's an outside chance Scotty's still flying around out there somewhere in the shuttle Picard gave him, but he'd have to be pushing 140 by now...
(Oh, there are those who hold that Chekov is still alive, and involved in Starfleet Intelligence, but that's totally non-canon so far.)
If Q or the Traveler or whoever were to bring PrimeSpock back to the Prime timeline, Kirk would still have been dead since the end of Generations. (Dropped a Bridge On Him is even a trope over at TVTropes!) If you want Spock to end in the Nexus with his old buddy, well, who says the Nexus only exists in one timeline at a time?
At least I won't have to wear sunglasses in the theater from the lens flair.
In that case, just tell yourself that Spock is still alive in whatever "Prime" timeline you want him to be in that isn't STO's timeline.
Like maybe some of the novels or what have you.
Then again, the character of Spock will have to come to terms with a Romulan people who blame him for the destruction of their homeworld. Nero couldn't by any means be the only person who has an axe to grind with him.
His failure in preventing that was something he has to live with. And in the alternate timeline in the new movies kind of brings some closure to that with him attempting to help his people, since he partially blames himself for Nero destroying Vulcan.
Gotta live with your mistakes, not run away into another timeline. You could even argue if he returned to the 'Prime' timeline it would not necessarily be the same one.
Maybe this next movie will be called "The Wrath of Lens flares".:P
I thought it was JJ's camera work in ST (2009) that was shaky ... intentionally so.
JJ signed on for star wars. And both of his films turned a healthy profit.
Yes, but we saw how broken up about it he was in the first movie. In fact that was a pretty unambiguous plot point. I don't think Spock could have spelled it out any clearer than that -- which is why he decided to help the Vulcans who lost their world while the new Spock could remain on the Enterprise.
Since he also wanted to resign from Starfleet and help the survivors of Vulcan.
And like I already mentioned, if Spock returns to the prime universe -- supposing he's even able to... he has to deal with a lot of pissed off romulans.
Nero was just one. The rest of the Romulans would make him wish he stayed in the alternate timeline.
And it's not like Spock's protege D'Tan would ever have been trusted in a position of power after-- ... ohhhh...
lol, i dont think into darkness is better than insurrection lol. Its not always all about special effects.. into darkness was just well, really absurd in all aspects. Star trek fans were terrified with into darkness, but insurrection still had that trek feeling at some points.
Which Romulans? The ones who discovered that their new home is not only more fertile in resources than their old home but also home to one of the ancient blades of their people? The ones who learned to move past their old lifestyle of self delusional superiority over the Federation and Klingons and learned to be a free people? The Romulans who reconciled with their Reman brethren and now have a more peaceful and meaningful relationship with the rest of the Alpha Quadrant?
The Romulans would freaking make Spock a HERO for failing to prevent Romulus' destruction. Especially since they know there was nothing he could do anyway because it was an Iconian plot, so really once we defeat the Iconians, New Romulus should be okay on the whole revenge front.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
Because dangit, if Michael Keaton can become Batman despite everyone saying, "HELL TO THE F'ING NO!," and actually come off being the best (with C.Bale), then Orci may surprise us.
Again, what else can go wrong for Trek? :P
Cute that you went to the Keaton Batman. Also lets us know you are a Batfleck fan.
Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done. :mad:
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
This. This so, so much. ST09 and Into Darkness were great, great movies, but since Trekkies are just poisonous, vile grognards that can't accept anything new, they'll spew their poison on good movies.
and yet your here doing the spitting poison. ironic. one of the same from the old block huh.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Well, I AM a trekkie, so yeah, I'm spewing poison at the nonsensical haters.
Unlike the haters, however, I accept NewTrek and embrace it, instead of badmouthing it at every corner. As if there haven't been any bad Trek movies before the new ones (TMP? Star Trek: Hippie Space Captains Save Whales: the Movie?)
Khan's blood is augmented blood, you can't use augmented anything since, y'know, it's illegal. Just sayin'.
...
Are you SERIOUS?????
Wow. Not only is this belittling and insulting to everyone else on these forums, it's just plain wrong in every way.
JJTrek has railroad plots full of holes, bad acting, bad astronomy, overly long action scenes, bad special effects, bad blatant attempts to sex up Trek, and worst of all it's BORING. Plus, it takes itself far too seriously despite being full of absolutely awful "humor".
JJTrek is like ST5, only shinier. In other words; it's utter and complete drek.
You complain about bad acting yet you don't acknowledge Shatner's horribad acting in TOS? Sex up Trek? Shall we bring up William Theiss and his sexilicious female costume designs? At least TNG sexed up the men as well, TOS only did so to the women.
Boring? TOS is boring. The first 2 seasons of TNG were boring. TMP was boring. Saving the Whales the Movie was boring.
Translation: You don't care that JJTrek sucks, you just want to start a fight.
You are pathetic.
What? Start a fight? I literally just stated facts, man. You're being hard-headed and stubborn and you refuse to believe there was really bad content in pre-JJtrek Trek. I present facts and you come at me with... that sentence?
I rest my case, my point is proven.
For example, I think TOS the TV series is probably the worst of the Star Trek TV series. The movies, on the other hand, are enjoyable (Except for 5, that one should be struck from canon).
TNG+ is generally where I think Star Trek hit it's best, including the TNG movies. Voyager, for all it's flaws, has also produced the only characters I really seem to care about reading about in novel form at the moment.
JJTrek is not the best Trek out there, but it's certainly not the worst Trek out there either. And the last one was definitely not as good as the previous one.
Wrong. Yes, Trek has bad bits. JJTrek is concentrated bad with nothing to redeem it. You have offered nothing to support JJTrek or your point. You are simply being patronizing and insulting to literally everyone else here.
Please stop being a jerk.
Also, don't diss ST4. A lot of people, myself included, liked it a LOT.
Finally, your confrontational attitude isn't winning you any friends.
Shatner was mostly good. Have you even watched TOS? 99% of Shatner parodies are based off one performance from "The Omega Glory" (which was a bad episode all around) (and was actually decent acting: how else could a Canadian get into such passion from quoting the US Constitution :P). True, his style wasn't exactly subtle, but that was how they rolled back then...and most importantly, that's how the character was written.