2min is a bit exaggerated but I do believe a longer cool down, say ~18 sec would actually make more sense. All cloak standard cool down would be 25 seconds?
Like a global cooldown, shared between all the cloakers on the same team? Because that was my second idea.
Because then you can properly time it with auxiliary batteries to counteract the -40 in subsystems power you have.
Also, it lines up better with all the clicky clicky consoles you have to use.
Anyways, just throwing it out there...
no all cloaks not just romulan and battlecloaks too ..and not 2 minutes...3 minutes
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Battle cloak is fine till your against a team that just sits there cloaked. Been there done that, no fun sitting around waiting for chickens to show themselves.:mad:
If you find yourself in that situation in PVP just leave.:rolleyes:
I usually point out that at an equivalent Aux/skill/gear(otherwise) level that a Warbird cloak is only +55 Stealth Value compared to a non-Warbird cloak...and...that at 100 Singularity Charge/Tier 5, that the Warbird is eating a -400 Stealth Value debuff; but the OP has pointed out a flaw in that. I completely did not take into account that the Warbird starts with Base40 Aux instead of Base50 Aux, and therefore has a base Stealth Value that is -10 compared to the non-Warbird. Warbird cloaks are definitely in need of a buff as the OP suggests...though not being able to be decloaked by an outside party for 2 minutes seems a bit extreme. edit: Wait, I think I read what was being said wrong...hrmm.
What's more broken than a team of invisible ships not being completely immune to detection? Cloaked ships deserved to remain undetectable and uninterferible. Otherwise, what's the point of cloaking at all?
They removed placate but I havent noticed any effect in game.First I thought I dont have enough points in sensors then I realized that was how it was all the time...everyone is now playing romulans so shet hits the fan = cloak.
Because then you can properly time it with auxiliary batteries to counteract the -40 in subsystems power you have.
Also, it lines up better with all the clicky clicky consoles you have to use.
Anyways, just throwing it out there...
I'm sorry but shadowing in another rant topic (because this is a RANT topic) after the "Death" one doesn't help cover your lack of... I'd say intelligence but it's not enough.
Fact#10 - cloak is disrupted by many AoE science attacks.
- oh dear, if only you had other advantages to deal with the fact your inaite ability might be countered... sometimes... if your a terrible pilot... if only...
Just say you can't dogfight even with a Miranda and it's fine, mkay?
~11 seconds is silly as **** as a cloak timer. It makes sloppy approaches possible.
It helps distinguish the Spacebar Warriors from the folks that know what they're doing though...in dealing with the cloakers. It requires more situational awareness - faster reflexes - instead of just resting on the spacebar while hoping for some random proc to do the job.
There are folks that absolutely shred cloakers, there are folks that come close to shredding cloakers, there are folks that persuade cloakers to do something else, etc, etc, etc...and there are the folks that are oblivious that they even got some spacebar addled FAW shots off at them.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I must agree in extending the cooldown time to all battle cloaks.
A good set time is 45sec.
Unfortunately many players are abusing battle cloak (myself included).
The Romulan Faction is the worst offenders in this (me included).
A good portion of player are taking the easy way out by doing the BoP setup, meaning the Damage Bust and power escape.
This set up is only good for one shot, hit or miss, the player MUST run do to the fact that it has little to no Boff defenses to say in a long fight.
This becomes an issue because the Romulan ships have more hull and shield hit points so they have an easier time going into cloak compared to the BoP.
I hate to say it because I am a BIG fan and user of the quick in and out attack cloak and wait for my cooldowns to reset in the safety of my cloak and do it again.
So please help us become fighters and not runners.
I must agree in extending the cooldown time to all battle cloaks.
A good set time is 45sec.
Unfortunately many players are abusing battle cloak (myself included).
The Romulan Faction is the worst offenders in this (me included).
A good portion of player are taking the easy way out by doing the BoP setup, meaning the Damage Bust and power escape.
This set up is only good for one shot, hit or miss, the player MUST run do to the fact that it has little to no Boff defenses to say in a long fight.
This becomes an issue because the Romulan ships have more hull and shield hit points so they have an easier time going into cloak compared to the BoP.
I hate to say it because I am a BIG fan and user of the quick in and out attack cloak and wait for my cooldowns to reset in the safety of my cloak and do it again.
So please help us become fighters and not runners.
45 sec Battle Cloak please
Then fly a Boxscort without a cloak. Or build not to run - there are plenty of folks that do not build to run - they run their BCs like they're running a standard Cloak. They get their initial decloak in and then they go at it (cause like you said, basically the Warbirds are Raptors/Battle Cruisers with Battle Cloaks).
A 45s Battle Cloak would kill KDF Raiders. A 0.88 Shield Mod at the Fleet level...is not a boat meant for sticking around in a fight.
It helps distinguish the Spacebar Warriors from the folks that know what they're doing though...in dealing with the cloakers. It requires more situational awareness - faster reflexes - instead of just resting on the spacebar while hoping for some random proc to do the job.
There are folks that absolutely shred cloakers, there are folks that come close to shredding cloakers, there are folks that persuade cloakers to do something else, etc, etc, etc...and there are the folks that are oblivious that they even got some spacebar addled FAW shots off at them.
I'm more thinking about how silly it is that the Roms have yet another advantage on the KDF cloakers. As if the CC and better ships weren't enough.
I'm more thinking about how silly it is that the Roms have yet another advantage on the KDF cloakers. As if the CC and better ships weren't enough.
Just can't see Cryptic nerfing/tweaking/balancing their precious Romulans. Course, I have 100% faith in Cryptic that their next playable fraction will have the Romulan players crying that they need a buff because of the new group. Cryptic could put out a Pakled fraction and leave the Romulans feeling like everybody else does now. :rolleyes:
I must agree in extending the cooldown time to all battle cloaks.
A good set time is 45sec.
Unfortunately many players are abusing battle cloak (myself included).
The Romulan Faction is the worst offenders in this (me included).
A good portion of player are taking the easy way out by doing the BoP setup, meaning the Damage Bust and power escape.
This set up is only good for one shot, hit or miss, the player MUST run do to the fact that it has little to no Boff defenses to say in a long fight.
This becomes an issue because the Romulan ships have more hull and shield hit points so they have an easier time going into cloak compared to the BoP.
I hate to say it because I am a BIG fan and user of the quick in and out attack cloak and wait for my cooldowns to reset in the safety of my cloak and do it again.
So please help us become fighters and not runners.
45 sec Battle Cloak please
So using cloak capable ships the way they were meant to be used, ships that were entirely designed around it, is abusing it?
Love your logic. :rolleyes:
Vast majority of Star Trek space combat games don't even have a cooldown on their cloaks, period.
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But imagine not being compelled to switch round your consoles every time you cloak? Or buy expensive quartermasters to reduce auxiliary battery CD's?
Not really, it would make it better, because quality > quantity.
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Like a global cooldown, shared between all the cloakers on the same team? Because that was my second idea.
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no all cloaks not just romulan and battlecloaks too ..and not 2 minutes...3 minutes
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
If you find yourself in that situation in PVP just leave.:rolleyes:
I like this idea, what if we made it so all romulan ships had +50% to CD duration of all batteries so that they lined up with the cloak better?
What's more broken than a team of invisible ships not being completely immune to detection? Cloaked ships deserved to remain undetectable and uninterferible. Otherwise, what's the point of cloaking at all?
Only the Rom captain trait should provide any reduction in cooldown. So remove the bonus from the boffs as well.
~11 seconds is silly as **** as a cloak timer. It makes sloppy approaches possible.
I'm sorry but shadowing in another rant topic (because this is a RANT topic) after the "Death" one doesn't help cover your lack of... I'd say intelligence but it's not enough.
Fact#10 - cloak is disrupted by many AoE science attacks.
Just say you can't dogfight even with a Miranda and it's fine, mkay?
But you need to be out of combat. :eek:
It helps distinguish the Spacebar Warriors from the folks that know what they're doing though...in dealing with the cloakers. It requires more situational awareness - faster reflexes - instead of just resting on the spacebar while hoping for some random proc to do the job.
There are folks that absolutely shred cloakers, there are folks that come close to shredding cloakers, there are folks that persuade cloakers to do something else, etc, etc, etc...and there are the folks that are oblivious that they even got some spacebar addled FAW shots off at them.
A good set time is 45sec.
Unfortunately many players are abusing battle cloak (myself included).
The Romulan Faction is the worst offenders in this (me included).
A good portion of player are taking the easy way out by doing the BoP setup, meaning the Damage Bust and power escape.
This set up is only good for one shot, hit or miss, the player MUST run do to the fact that it has little to no Boff defenses to say in a long fight.
This becomes an issue because the Romulan ships have more hull and shield hit points so they have an easier time going into cloak compared to the BoP.
I hate to say it because I am a BIG fan and user of the quick in and out attack cloak and wait for my cooldowns to reset in the safety of my cloak and do it again.
So please help us become fighters and not runners.
45 sec Battle Cloak please
Then fly a Boxscort without a cloak. Or build not to run - there are plenty of folks that do not build to run - they run their BCs like they're running a standard Cloak. They get their initial decloak in and then they go at it (cause like you said, basically the Warbirds are Raptors/Battle Cruisers with Battle Cloaks).
A 45s Battle Cloak would kill KDF Raiders. A 0.88 Shield Mod at the Fleet level...is not a boat meant for sticking around in a fight.
Besides, with all the junk available otherwise...
Quantum Singularity Manipulation
Fluidic Phase Decoupler
Alpha Deception Field
Etc, etc, etc...
The AtB/AtD non-cloakers that run away even faster than the guy in the Warbird can recloak...
...changing the re-BC duration wouldn't stop runners from running.
I'm more thinking about how silly it is that the Roms have yet another advantage on the KDF cloakers. As if the CC and better ships weren't enough.
Just can't see Cryptic nerfing/tweaking/balancing their precious Romulans. Course, I have 100% faith in Cryptic that their next playable fraction will have the Romulan players crying that they need a buff because of the new group. Cryptic could put out a Pakled fraction and leave the Romulans feeling like everybody else does now. :rolleyes:
So using cloak capable ships the way they were meant to be used, ships that were entirely designed around it, is abusing it?
Love your logic. :rolleyes:
Vast majority of Star Trek space combat games don't even have a cooldown on their cloaks, period.
If it isn't high enough get a doff to help boost auxpwr when cloaked, and make sure your sing power is a 0.
Put points in stealth, and use gear related to stealth bonuses.
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