FLATLY against the Cardiassinas. They just don't have the military muscle anymore and more than lkely going to end up joining the federation.
The fact that they do not have the military muscle any more is precisely what makes them a perfect candidate for the 4th Faction. It fits in perfectly with Cryptic's Red/Blue-only Faction Alliance system - weaken Cards needing the help from both the Feds and the KDF.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Yeah but why would anyone help the Cardies? The Romulans at least have a sort of honor, that makes them interesting and likeable. That's presumably why the Federation and Klingons helped them. But the Cardassians? I can't really see any Starfleet or Klingon leaders saying anything other than "eh, let 'em die."
Oh and also, the entire point of the minifaction system was to preserve the red vs. blue thing. Which doesn't actually exist anymore, because the war is over. So now they can pretty much do whatever.
But yeah. 4th faction: Dominion. Give the slimeball-fanboys some playable Cardies on the side if you want. And then we can get around to introducing a Tholian faction later on.
Oh and just as a side note, about Tholians and evil factions? (thisiscompletelyofftopicbutyesI'mgoingtomakethisthreadaboutTholiansImakeeverythreadaboutTholians) The worst things we've really seen the Tholians doing is enslaving people. Which the Klingons, one of the Federation's major historical allies and a playable faction, have been doing casually...like...forever. So.
The game should not have any new factions.
At best you can have new races joining the existing factions which is what Cryptic effectively did with the Romulans.
Even then... the Klingons and Feds are allies and were only at war because it justified the silly Red vs. Blue.
Now that the war is ended, might as well just destroy the faction restrictions entirely and have the factions merge into one at endgame.
With the amount of alien ships and equipment introduced to all the factions... it will be hilariously hypocritical to claim the factions should maintain their identity and technology.
Give the Feds access to Romulan Scimitars and Klingon Negh Vars.
Give the Romulans access to the Avenger and Bird of Prey
Give the Klingons access to the Sovereign and Mogai
Cryptic cannot make content for each faction alone... and the Devs whine that making bridges for ships is too much work.
If those ships work for all factions and the episodes are already one-size-fits-all. The only thing that defines the factions is their ability to fly certain ships and the uniforms they wear.
Both of which are already blurred beyond recognition.
Thing about doing a Dominion faction is that Cryptic has their standing not-a-villain-faction policy. Everyone is the hero, just sometimes a hero of a different story. The Dominion, how would you do that? Their forces are generally either the Jem'Hadar and engineered to be short-lived, disposable, and not individuals, or else the Vorta, which are cloned and predispositioned to be sycophantic non-combatants. Neither race would really be suitable for a heroic player-character, and thats not even taking account of the sorts of nasty missions the Founders assign to them. And then there is the cross-faction stuff; can you imagine the Dominion helping out with Omega Force or the Solanae Joint Command for any reason?
Cardassians you could do with the Alliance system (liasing with the greater powers), maybe Ferengi as well. But I don't see Dominion working in this game without some very silly story justification.
i found it perverse that klingons are helping to defend cardassia from the 8472 planet killers despite their status as enemies to each other. rather enjoyed watching the cardassians and klingons working together.
however as a klingon put it once, "You can respect a Cardassian because he fights for his people".
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The game started in 2409, and now we reached 2410 - so all the past events where happening in one year (TUvok speaks of a "meteroic rise"- indeed, fresh from the Academy to Vice Admiral in a year!). The changes have happened so fast (Omega Special Task Force, Dyson Sphere) that the formal end of the war just hasn't happened yet. Now it has.
Actually if you look at the Enterprise -F plaque we have been in 2410 for awhile now, she was commissioned in 2410 and has been in game for well over a year our time so one could say we have been in 2410 for some time, but it was just acknowledge in this past episode, yes all captains including romulans and KDF captains all went from a cadet, civilian, or Lt. to Admiral/Lt. Gen in a years time but seeing as all factions were needing captains because of one reason or the other i.e. the war or the tal-shiar etc. we are here now all working together I am for one glad this war is over as it was pointless and had no meaning.
A minor oversimplification but, its been a long time coming, and the Klingons knew years ago who the real enemy were, they just needed the Federation to get their act together and admit they were wrong. This episode captured the tipping point, not all of the events which have led up to it.
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Yeah but why would anyone help the Cardies? The Romulans at least have a sort of honor, that makes them interesting and likeable. That's presumably why the Federation and Klingons helped them. But the Cardassians? I can't really see any Starfleet or Klingon leaders saying anything other than "eh, let 'em die."
Did you watch any TNG episodes with the Romulans? Did you see Nemesis; where the Romulans wanted Shinzon to attack the Earth - and he was going to come and nuke the planet with his super-ship? The Romulans have no honor - as Worf, and many other Klingons, has said many times.
Oh and also, the entire point of the minifaction system was to preserve the red vs. blue thing. Which doesn't actually exist anymore, because the war is over. So now they can pretty much do whatever.
Red/Blue PvP is not about the war. It is about the game engine - Cryptic does not wish to modify the entire engine for three-way PvP. That was a primary stated reason for making the Romulans a Micro-Fraction rather then a stand-alone Faction.
But yeah. 4th faction: Dominion. Give the slimeball-fanboys some playable Cardies on the side if you want. And then we can get around to introducing a Tholian faction later on.
As has been stated in the past, CBS does not want a villain Faction in the game - which is why we have the Romulan Republic rather then the Romulan Empire - and why DStahl stated if the Borg became it Micro-Faction it would be Hugh's Liberated group rather then the actual Borg. The Dominion threaten to conqueror the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. They are as much a villain species as you are going to find in Star Trek.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I have read it said that PvP is going to be non-existant from this point. I disagree.
I would like to point out that we now have a master enemy controlling things from the shadows, and they pull the strings of many. We know they are behind the Undine. But what if they are also behind every single enemy the Federation and KDF have been fighting since the game launched?
The True Way... The Romulan Empire under control of the Tal Shiar...
We've already gotten playable romulans. We've complained that making the romulans divided by choosing between the KDF and UFP and thus fighting each other. Now with the war officially over, they won't have to.
Next, I think we know that the Cardassians will become playable. We'll have Blue, Red, Green and Orange soon. All we need is a Cardassian story arc that covers 2409-2410 from a Cardassian point of view.
Now the other side of the new war would be made up of the subfactions we have been fighting against, And there would be Klingons on that side as well... Those who refuse to accept the new cease fire and will now be worling against both the UFP and KDF interests, but absorbed into the new enemy group.
The direct involvement of the Iconians in the new war would happen as part of major events, as they have been and mainly still would be content to run the show from the shadows.
If they can get competitive PvE as well as territory control going on, the way they have talked about in the past, it would play right into this. And now going forward, any race that has been playable so far could actually be on either side.
What if the insectoid species in TNG's "Conspiracy" are also pawns of the Iconians? That would be a way to even make federation races able to be played on the other side. Thy get captured, have a bug inserted, and now they are agents of the dark side... or whatever...
I wouldn't immediately write off the pvp red vs blue thing yet. Remember, even tentative allies have war-games on occasion. Take the US and Ukraine now!
This game really doesn't have great PvP system as the boundaries don't change.Who is winning or losing?It is unlike that of Starfleet Command played on Dyanverse server which is far better as well as balanced.
The rep projects have really taken over the game.
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Teenagers that were apparently right all along about the Undine infiltration of the Alpha Quadrant and actually did something about it unlike the ever ineffectual Federation.
Teenagers that were apparently right all along about the Undine infiltration of the Alpha Quadrant and actually did something about it unlike the ever ineffectual Federation.
They did say sorry.....but to make sure I still say Nuke Bajor from orbit.
They did say sorry.....but to make sure I still say Nuke Bajor from orbit.
Nuke the site from orbit? Only way to be sure eh? Weylend company will not be happy bout that. :cool:
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Oh and also, the entire point of the minifaction system was to preserve the red vs. blue thing. Which doesn't actually exist anymore, because the war is over. So now they can pretty much do whatever.
But yeah. 4th faction: Dominion. Give the slimeball-fanboys some playable Cardies on the side if you want. And then we can get around to introducing a Tholian faction later on.
Oh and just as a side note, about Tholians and evil factions? (thisiscompletelyofftopicbutyesI'mgoingtomakethisthreadaboutTholiansImakeeverythreadaboutTholians) The worst things we've really seen the Tholians doing is enslaving people. Which the Klingons, one of the Federation's major historical allies and a playable faction, have been doing casually...like...forever. So.
At best you can have new races joining the existing factions which is what Cryptic effectively did with the Romulans.
Even then... the Klingons and Feds are allies and were only at war because it justified the silly Red vs. Blue.
Now that the war is ended, might as well just destroy the faction restrictions entirely and have the factions merge into one at endgame.
With the amount of alien ships and equipment introduced to all the factions... it will be hilariously hypocritical to claim the factions should maintain their identity and technology.
Give the Feds access to Romulan Scimitars and Klingon Negh Vars.
Give the Romulans access to the Avenger and Bird of Prey
Give the Klingons access to the Sovereign and Mogai
Cryptic cannot make content for each faction alone... and the Devs whine that making bridges for ships is too much work.
If those ships work for all factions and the episodes are already one-size-fits-all. The only thing that defines the factions is their ability to fly certain ships and the uniforms they wear.
Both of which are already blurred beyond recognition.
Cardassians you could do with the Alliance system (liasing with the greater powers), maybe Ferengi as well. But I don't see Dominion working in this game without some very silly story justification.
however as a klingon put it once, "You can respect a Cardassian because he fights for his people".
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Actually if you look at the Enterprise -F plaque we have been in 2410 for awhile now, she was commissioned in 2410 and has been in game for well over a year our time so one could say we have been in 2410 for some time, but it was just acknowledge in this past episode, yes all captains including romulans and KDF captains all went from a cadet, civilian, or Lt. to Admiral/Lt. Gen in a years time but seeing as all factions were needing captains because of one reason or the other i.e. the war or the tal-shiar etc. we are here now all working together I am for one glad this war is over as it was pointless and had no meaning.
just add on factions like the romulans
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Red/Blue PvP is not about the war. It is about the game engine - Cryptic does not wish to modify the entire engine for three-way PvP. That was a primary stated reason for making the Romulans a Micro-Fraction rather then a stand-alone Faction.
As has been stated in the past, CBS does not want a villain Faction in the game - which is why we have the Romulan Republic rather then the Romulan Empire - and why DStahl stated if the Borg became it Micro-Faction it would be Hugh's Liberated group rather then the actual Borg. The Dominion threaten to conqueror the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. They are as much a villain species as you are going to find in Star Trek.
I wouldn't immediately write off the pvp red vs blue thing yet. Remember, even tentative allies have war-games on occasion. Take the US and Ukraine now!
The rep projects have really taken over the game.
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Yeah...Klingons are like teenagers, with more forehead ridges! :P
Teenagers that were apparently right all along about the Undine infiltration of the Alpha Quadrant and actually did something about it unlike the ever ineffectual Federation.
They did say sorry.....but to make sure I still say Nuke Bajor from orbit.
Nuke the site from orbit? Only way to be sure eh? Weylend company will not be happy bout that. :cool:
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