Disappointed with how the War Ended

geoff484 · April 2014

I'm not one of those people who was for or against the war, the only thing I cared about was how it played out and honestly? I'm disappointed with how it all played out.

I figured there would eventually be a day where the Fed and Kdf called a truce, but I was honestly hoping for some FEs to build up to that and deal with that story line exclusively.

The truce in the new episode, even though I loved the new episode, didn't hold any weight for me. At VA, before this episode, we pretty much already had a truce. The Fed and KDF were already fighting side by side against the Voth, Borg, and I believe even the CE and Tholians (though I haven't played those much so I'm not sure).

How is the relationship any different now?

I love all the storylines in this game, but the relationship between Starfleet and the KDF doesn't flow very well to me.

I don't mind that the War ended, I just don't like how it ended. It felt kind of lazy and "Ugh, well, might as well just end this war"

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jestersage · April 2014

Considering the fiasco that is KDF, the way Cryptic end the war is actually very well done.

Besides, it's basically just a reverse of what happened in "By Inferno's Light" of DS9... which also seen the Khitomer Accord breakdown in 1 year before it get back up.

scififan78 · April 2014

Actually, the build up to end the war started a while back. Lets look at the current STO timeline.

1) Both sides put aside their differences to work together to help the Romulan Republic. -Romulan ep Tuning Point
2) A summit was called on DS9 to discuss the Borg threat that got interrupted by the Dominion (Republic does not have a representative

<should be addressed). - FE Second Wave
3) The Omega Task Force is formed to fight the Borg in the Gamma Orionis Sector Block. -ep Report to Gamma Orionis
4) Both sides help the Deferi fight off the Breen though there is not any direct cooperation between the two. -FS Breen Invasion
5) Both sides agree to help the Republic defend the Dyson sphere against the Voth. -FE Sphere of Influence
6) Hostilities come to a conclusion after a major offensive nearly cripples both the Federation and the Empire. -FE Surface Tension

virusdancer · April 2014

You could look through the KDF episode list and the Rom (KDF aligned) episode list...and one wouldn't be surprised if you were to ask...what war?

mustrumridcully0 · April 2014

The game started in 2409, and now we reached 2410 - so all the past events where happening in one year (TUvok speaks of a "meteroic rise"- indeed, fresh from the Academy to Vice Admiral in a year!). The changes have happened so fast (Omega Special Task Force, Dyson Sphere) that the formal end of the war just hasn't happened yet. Now it has.

centersolace · April 2014

Considering the silliness that has occurred before, I am okay with this.

reginamala78 · April 2014

Klingon culture generally places actions over words. Despite the simmering hostilities and having just taken a bit of a beating, Starfleet still scrounged up a taskforce to help defend Qo'nos, and a Starfleet captain launched a (near)-suicide attack to save the day. Historically those sorts of grand gestures seem to do the trick. Add in the mustache-twirling Iconian disintegrating the Council and certainly gaining the Klingons' priority emnity, and I'm not sure what else they could have done that'd fit in a single ep.

mirrorchaos · April 2014

geoff484 wrote: »

I'm not one of those people who was for or against the war, the only thing I cared about was how it played out and honestly? I'm disappointed with how it all played out.

I figured there would eventually be a day where the Fed and Kdf called a truce, but I was honestly hoping for some FEs to build up to that and deal with that story line exclusively.

The truce in the new episode, even though I loved the new episode, didn't hold any weight for me. At VA, before this episode, we pretty much already had a truce. The Fed and KDF were already fighting side by side against the Voth, Borg, and I believe even the CE and Tholians (though I haven't played those much so I'm not sure).

How is the relationship any different now?

I love all the storylines in this game, but the relationship between Starfleet and the KDF doesn't flow very well to me.

I don't mind that the War ended, I just don't like how it ended. It felt kind of lazy and "Ugh, well, might as well just end this war"

Shon made the difference here, before this it was the RR keeping things in check before ambitions decided to blow a hole in the side.

Shon bowed before the lizard diplomat on the Klingon side and admitted the federation was wrong, that must of impressed S'tasss and then Shon was almost willing to kill himself on a suicide run at the planet killer to save the planet, the Klingons see much honor in such a thing when the situation is appropriate to the timing. then the Iconian came through and murdered 6 councilmen and almost took J'mpok and Quinn with them, such dishonorable tactic on top of what the Iconian stated cemented a firm truce between the sides. all thats left now is to let it set without the Iconians or 8472 trying to wash it out.
Now the RR is latching on the back of this alliance to come, they want in on it as well.

there is still a storyline left in this, the very last lines of tuvok of that FE states as much, about the next few days requiring your diplomatic flair to keep things in check.

captainrevo1 · April 2014

Pretty much every time the feds and klingons are enemies, it takes 1 act of the feds being honourable to change their minds, whether it was the ent c saving that outpost or odo exposing the changeling.

the klingons are pretty quick to change their minds and from their perspective they new who the real enemy was from day 1 so would rather be fighting the undine and iconians than worrying about the feds.

this new alliance has been building for some time through mutual cooperation with the romulan republic, the work in the dyson sphere, task force omega etc so its more like there was a war, then it became a cold war, then it because a truce and now i suspect it will become a proper alliance again.

coupaholic · April 2014

mirrorchaos wrote: »

Now the RR is latching on the back of this alliance to come, they want in on it as well.

It is tempting to speculate where the Republic would go from here. Forgive the lazy metaphor, but it looks to me like ex-BFF's the Empire and the Federation have just made up - and the new friend of both has just been left out in the cold.

It's possible that in time the Republic would gain yet more respect and favour, and the 3 of them will buddy up - this is probably more likely. But what if the Republic harbour some resentment from these actions? Perhaps decide to break off and do their own thing?

I know it won't happen, but again. It is tempting to speculate

centersolace · April 2014

I can tell you the Tal-shiar aren't going to be happy with this turn of events.

starswordc · April 2014

centersolace wrote: »

I can tell you the Tal-shiar aren't going to be happy with this turn of events.

I doubt the Tal'Shiar have been pleased by any turn of events in the past year. At least not for more than about ten minutes.

thutmosis85 · April 2014

What's all that talk about "The War is over", afaik it's just a "cease-fire" or did I miss something in "Surface Tension" ...

... just like in "DS9 5x01 Apocalypse Rising" i.E. ... yet 4 episodes later Klingons attacked Ajilon Prime "DS9 5x04 Nor the Battle to the Strong" ....

sampa4 · April 2014

mirrorchaos wrote: »

Shon made the difference here, before this it was the RR keeping things in check before ambitions decided to blow a hole in the side.

Shon bowed before the lizard diplomat on the Klingon side and admitted the federation was wrong, that must of impressed S'tasss and then Shon was almost willing to kill himself on a suicide run at the planet killer to save the planet, the Klingons see much honor in such a thing when the situation is appropriate to the timing. then the Iconian came through and murdered 6 councilmen and almost took J'mpok and Quinn with them, such dishonorable tactic on top of what the Iconian stated cemented a firm truce between the sides. all thats left now is to let it set without the Iconians or 8472 trying to wash it out.
Now the RR is latching on the back of this alliance to come, they want in on it as well.

there is still a storyline left in this, the very last lines of tuvok of that FE states as much, about the next few days requiring your diplomatic flair to keep things in check.

If he wants MY diplomatic flair...we're doomed... I am NO diplomat :P

doffingcomrade · April 2014

Damn right the ending was disappointing: It should have ended like this!

gpgtx · April 2014

starswordc wrote: »

I doubt the Tal'Shiar have been pleased by any turn of events in the past year. At least not for more than about ten minutes.

i think they are mainly not pleased with our character. we single handedly crippled there chain of command by taking out hakeeve and made the iconians take sela

actually who is in command of the tal'shiar and what are they up to with the loss of sela and hakeeve?

scififan78 · April 2014

thutmosis85 wrote: »

What's all that talk about "The War is over", afaik it's just a "cease-fire" or did I miss something in "Surface Tension" ...

... just like in "DS9 5x01 Apocalypse Rising" i.E. ... yet 4 episodes later Klingons attacked Ajilon Prime "DS9 5x04 Nor the Battle to the Strong" ....

Replay the mission again and pay close attention to the end of the last cut scene.

thutmosis85 · April 2014

scififan78 wrote: »

Replay the mission again and pay close attention to the end of the last cut scene.

Yeah, yeah ... "all hostilities will cease" that's exactly what Gowron said in DS9 5x01 (-> back to "cease-fire")

[even the same Story & same speech ... "Federation saves Qo'nos from Shapeshifters, have to work together yadda yadda"]

and AFTER the last Cutscene :

Tuvok :

"There have been periods in our combined history when the Federation and the Klingon Empire have not been at war, but they have not been allies, either.

This may be the beginning of such a time.

-> It's pretty much "Anything can happen" not "Hooray Galactic Peace / Khitomer 2.0", most people are just jumping to conclusions ...

warpangel · April 2014

thutmosis85 wrote: »

-> It's pretty much "Anything can happen" not "Hooray Galactic Peace / Khitomer 2.0", most people are just jumping to conclusions ...

It means nothing happens. Not in gameplay at least. The war existed in name only and now peace exists in name only.

thutmosis85 · April 2014

warpangel wrote: »

It means nothing happens. Not in gameplay at least. The war existed in name only and now peace exists in name only.

Yeah and I'm pretty sure it's intentional ... this way we're stuck between DS9 5x01 & 5x04 ... and Cryptic can pretty much do anything they want to, without people asking questions like these :

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1100031

oldravenman3025 · April 2014

reyan01 wrote: »

I thought it was pretty much in keeping with what we've seen of the Klingon's in the past to be honest. An act that they consider honorable paving the way for peace, of sorts.

Namely; Starfleet assisted the Klingon fleet in defense of their homeworld (and Shon saved the universe).

And not just once, but twice. He stopped Ambassador TRIBBLE-stasche from TRIBBLE things up with diplomatic double-talk. Shon told it like it was and apologized. It took a big man to take that burden on.

talonxv · April 2014

I look at it this way, the war that was basically a skrimish while both sides dealt with bigger threats and eachother is now over. Frankly just glad it's over.

And the lower level STFs, they could just be seen as training exercises between 2 nations.

neoakiraii · April 2014

Wait, wait , wait, there was a War?

kimmym · April 2014

What? The Klingon Empire chest thumped and declared war to make their position clear, and then declares peace the moment that their point was made?

Wow... That never happens... Ever...

Oh wait...

That is Klingon Diplomacy. They do that quite a bit. It is how they communicate.

talonxv · April 2014

kimmym wrote: »

What? The Klingon Empire chest thumped and declared war to make their position clear, and then declares peace the moment that their point was made?

Wow... That never happens... Ever...

Oh wait...

That is Klingon Diplomacy. They do that quite a bit. It is how they communicate.

Wars have been started and ended for less.

thecosmic1 · April 2014

We should have crushed those commie-pinko Klingons into dust for contaminating our precious bodily fluids!

iconians · April 2014

You need to judge the ending on the war you have, not the war you wish you had.

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talonxv · April 2014

sirsitsalot wrote: »

I have read it said that PvP is going to be non-existant from this point. I disagree.

I would like to point out that we now have a master enemy controlling things from the shadows, and they pull the strings of many. We know they are behind the Undine. But what if they are also behind every single enemy the Federation and KDF have been fighting since the game launched?

The True Way... The Romulan Empire under control of the Tal Shiar...

We've already gotten playable romulans. We've complained that making the romulans divided by choosing between the KDF and UFP and thus fighting each other. Now with the war officially over, they won't have to.

Next, I think we know that the Cardassians will become playable. We'll have Blue, Red, Green and Orange soon. All we need is a Cardassian story arc that covers 2409-2410 from a Cardassian point of view.

Now the other side of the new war would be made up of the subfactions we have been fighting against, And there would be Klingons on that side as well... Those who refuse to accept the new cease fire and will now be worling against both the UFP and KDF interests, but absorbed into the new enemy group.

The direct involvement of the Iconians in the new war would happen as part of major events, as they have been and mainly still would be content to run the show from the shadows.

If they can get competitive PvE as well as territory control going on, the way they have talked about in the past, it would play right into this. And now going forward, any race that has been playable so far could actually be on either side.

FLATLY against the Cardiassinas. They just don't have the military muscle anymore and more than lkely going to end up joining the federation.

If anybody shoudl be the 4th faction, Dominion. They've spent 30 years probably rebuilding and I am sure they have new ships that can be built and there is a reason. They still have military might in the gamma quadrant, ship yards, soldiers the works.

There could be so much more done with the dominion, you could even throw in more races, cause I am sure we haven't seen everything for them and more can be done with them.

Frak adding cardassians, they'll be a shadow of the romulan faction, Dominion could be BETTER.

jeffel82 · April 2014

scififan78 wrote: »

Actually, the build up to end the war started a while back. Lets look at the current STO timeline.

1) Both sides put aside their differences to work together to help the Romulan Republic. -Romulan ep Tuning Point
2) A summit was called on DS9 to discuss the Borg threat that got interrupted by the Dominion (Republic does not have a representative <should be addressed). - FE Second Wave
3) The Omega Task Force is formed to fight the Borg in the Gamma Orionis Sector Block. -ep Report to Gamma Orionis
4) Both sides help the Deferi fight off the Breen though there is not any direct cooperation between the two. -FS Breen Invasion
5) Both sides agree to help the Republic defend the Dyson sphere against the Voth. -FE Sphere of Influence
6) Hostilities come to a conclusion after a major offensive nearly cripples both the Federation and the Empire. -FE Surface Tension

Good summary. I'd say you forgot the Nukara Task Force, but the interactions between the two sides was pretty minimal there, too - basically a cease-fire while each side focused on a common goal.

My only quibble with the way they ended the war was that I would have liked to have seen Admiral D'Vak involved in some way. As the head of Omega Force, I think he should be a bigger deal than he is.

Disappointed with how the War Ended

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