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Will the new rep system kill STO?
exarch1701
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Not a big fan of the new rep system. No, Im not saying that it WILL kill STO, hence the "?" at the end of the title, but I would like to know your thoughts on it.
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While I see why people hate the changes (or some of them) this is by no way the core of the game. So no it will not kill STO.
If they go on to make such unpopular changes that course of action will ultimately lead to that result, but the rep changes alone certainly not.
Hummmm....
Zombies? Vampires?...
Time will tell. The bad thing here though is that the change I don't think could be undone nor will it show up very well in feedback or from metrics as a clearly defined problem.
Players will either really miss that sense of 'progression' and become bored more quickly with the game, or they will still get that sense of 'progression' and not. Or they might not actually care.
I would add though that the forum activity seems to be pretty, slow, for a weekend after a season update but it was released on a Tuesday so I dunno. I did expect much more rage over this though I really did.
Character progression without content progression results in players being even more bored. Keeping the challenge level of the endgame content the same so new level 50s and veterans can complete it with a system capable of infinite character progression makes the game far too easy. So Cryptic either needed to gate content in STO or the Reputation Traits Revamp. The Reputation Traits Revamp allows new level 50s to do the new endgame content and gives some challenge to the veterans.
Thanks to the nerf, I have completed exactly One (1) PvE queue mission since S9 (a normal Undine Assault, just to see what it looked like). I plan on running Two (2) sometime next week (a normal Undine Infiltration and a normal Viscous Cycle, just to see what they look like). There's just no point.
And no, I did not spend the marks on a rep project. I'll wait for the dil weekend and turn them in.
Honestly, after and if you do the complete storyline missions (or skip through) and then do the reputation, you're pretty much done on that character. The options are to create a new character and go through all that again, or do mission replays here and there, STFs, work on fleet projects, or troll ESD.
pretty much...
Game Over
Join Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010
That's pretty it. Unless there is either a rep-trait that's better than one of the existing ones or a "must-have" item in a certain rep-tier, there is no incentive for certain people to level a new reputation system.
Items and ships are and have been stuck on the same level for quite a while now, there is no way to improve a characters performance through the rep-system anymore...what's the incentive to log in each day?
No . the problem is they give stuff , then somewhere down the road they take that away plus intrest.
+1 here.
Its not about having to decide what to use. Its about getting the rewards, using them all, and then being forced to decide which half of them to use. They did not become twice as powerful to compenstae for reduction in number. Its about grinding 4 reputations to t5, benefitting from them and then being told "well thats nice that you played the new content and earned all rewards, here, keep half of them". If I knew it will be like that, I would grind one to t4, and remaining ones to t2, as I did on my non-feds.
Distasteful.
pwebranflakes: this system is currently in place and working the way it should.
moradum: I got banned for saying "I started my day with cutting off 3 MM off of the bottom of my cabinet"
+1 here, too. I think Cryptic had some legitimate concerns they were trying to solve here, but this was a pretty terrible way to go about it.
But I wonder why people play a game they don't like to play.
Clearly it isnt helping
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And the new equipment is not enough of a reason to do new endgame content? Passives were never a reason for me to do any reputation, it was always the equipment and I have never lost a single piece of equipment that I grinded for.
There is also the actives to grind for. At this moment, people can't grind for 4 space actives or 4 ground actives so that is enough incentive to still grind the new reputations.
3 of my toons no longer get the hourly project rep. On one, I had slotted an hourly rep a day on 3 consecutive days and hence no way of even reaching the daily limit and yet he now no longer gets rep :mad:
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-Roach, when asked about Klingon extinction!
A few measly passives? If a person has ALL their reps maxed, those "few measly passives" can make a difference in a destroyed ship filled with frustration and a ship that survives. This new rep nerf was done to satisfy those newbie players that were complaining they couldn't keep up with the veteran players.
My advice to the new players: Work on getting to where the veterans are and quit crying. How do you think the veterans got to where they are? They EARNED all those passives. They also EARNED the right to have ALL those passives active.
So stop crying and start earning like everyone else.
The actives are fancy gimmicks with little practical value. If it was given at tier 1, it might be worth doing that one just to see what it looks like. Not a chance for 5 tiers.
EDIT: Also, while it is possible to use all the actives at once, it would require manually switching them every time you go from space to ground or vice versa. No thanks.
And yet oddly, with my carefully-chosen, fewer but more powerful passives, I am now more powerful and survivable than I was before (relative to my playstyle of course). That, combined with the slightly enhanced Elite difficulty, makes for a funner game, for me.
Plus I can change things around to suit content (e.g. switch all ground or space traits, go all defence or all attack, etc.)
I much prefer the system as it is now. By far.
Go ahead.....I'd rather have ALL my passives I earned than having to choose everytime I have to change maps or enemies. Having them already active makes more sense than having to take 2-3 minutes trying to find the ones I need when I could already be on my way doing the missions.
BTW, the buffs done to the current passives was not that much from what they already were.
But that also doesn't fix the fact they NERF NUKE the hell out the passives. Keep your 4/4/4 and I'll raise you all my available passive active at once. Who then has the better hand.