It does feel like a punishment to those of us that have taken the time to play the grind and farm marks and level up all our toons, for Cryptic to decide player in balance lets revise(Nerf) it.
What happens in a few months time when some players still haven't completed any rep systems and are still complaining about those that still get to choose from the measly 4 slots now available and call power creep or we players have a unfair advantage and are over powered.
DO WE LOSE THESE TRAITS AS WELL
Its like me working a 12 hr shift and someone else doing 4 hrs and my company deciding oh sorry 12 hr guy its unfair to pay more than the 4 hr guy as you are both doing the same job, therefore we must pay both of you the same.
I'm sorry the Rep system and leveling was and is a choice with built in rewards for completing the chain. I earnt those rewards, for someone else who doesn't have the time/perseverance or desire to do them sorry but tough luck. I earnt my rep powers fair and square.
What has Cryptic taught me over these changes.
A. They didn't think the rep system through with the traits but continue to release power creep ships and weapons into the game
B. Anything i earn can and will be nerfed so DON'T SPEND REAL LIFE MONEY on this game as its a wasted investment.
C. Hard work means squat and is not rewarded
Thank you Cryptic the worse thing that ever happened to this game was going free 2 play. Its nothing more for you guys than a cash grab.
It's funny how a lot of people think this has to do with PvP. It doesn't. It has to do with an effort to prevent the end game from becoming tired and stale, and (admittedly) protecting their own wallets in the long run. 3 minute ISEs, Donatra not getting a shot off, CSE Cube Zergs... these are the reasons for the change. Now if you have access to all the REPs, you can still get away with a 7 minute ISE, Donatra perhaps gets her one good shot off, and maybe someone has to go back and clean up around the Kang. And it takes you just a bit longer to make your 60 O Marks and 500 +495 DIL.
It seems like they could either add new content at a higher difficulty, which means a bigger limitation to what you should play, and as a result have to wipe out the rewards for "lower tier" STFS. If you've completed Omega, for instance, all Borg STFs would only pay out, say, 1/4 of the reward 'cause why aren't you over in Dyson or Nukara?! Or they could do this, and make all the STF / Battlezones be top-end content to encourage you to bounce from Nukara to Defera to Voth to Undine Space...
For all the complaining that it's new 50s that want a free ride, it seems more like the power players that are complaining harder about having to pick rep powers instead of having their STF "easy button".
This change is not to prevent current power creep, but future power creep caused by Reputation passives. Say I grind 15 reputations to Tier 5 and have a total of 60 reputation passives, content will be far too easy and I would get bored of the content since Cryptic always makes content that is possible to be completed by new level 50s and I would have an unfair advantage in PvP.
So either Cryptic would have to prevent players from doing their content through gating, raise the level cap, introduce a new difficulty level, or alter the reputation passives. The problem with a new difficulty level is that Cryptic would have to keep on introducing more and more difficulties levels as more and more reputations are added which causes the queues to be more fractured.
At least this change is happening now and not 2 years from now when it would be needed to fix the power creep caused by reputation passives.
Even with the loss of mucho rep traits, the basic STF's are still easy as hell, so they solved nothing.
I read about the changes and am personally not too upset about not being able to run everything concurrently, but after logging in to the new version, I can't run ANY of them. It says I need a respec, but, when I click the respec button, it closes the reputation window. I am pretty disappointed to have this happen the day before I was going to be able to lock Tier V of the Dyson reputation track.
Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Can anyone help?
It's funny how a lot of people think this has to do with PvP. It doesn't. It has to do with an effort to prevent the end game from becoming tired and stale, and (admittedly) protecting their own wallets in the long run. 3 minute ISEs, Donatra not getting a shot off, CSE Cube Zergs... these are the reasons for the change. Now if you have access to all the REPs, you can still get away with a 7 minute ISE, Donatra perhaps gets her one good shot off, and maybe someone has to go back and clean up around the Kang. And it takes you just a bit longer to make your 60 O Marks and 500 +495 DIL.
It seems like they could either add new content at a higher difficulty, which means a bigger limitation to what you should play, and as a result have to wipe out the rewards for "lower tier" STFS. If you've completed Omega, for instance, all Borg STFs would only pay out, say, 1/4 of the reward 'cause why aren't you over in Dyson or Nukara?! Or they could do this, and make all the STF / Battlezones be top-end content to encourage you to bounce from Nukara to Defera to Voth to Undine Space...
For all the complaining that it's new 50s that want a free ride, it seems more like the power players that are complaining harder about having to pick rep powers instead of having their STF "easy button".
Actually, I picked the 4/4/4 traits. I don't have to change my traits for anything now nor do the reputation systems.
So far in testing.
1. Went to Kerrat because it's harder hitting. I was able to decimate. Waiting to see Undine ships to blow up.
2. Played 5 min ISE, it might have been less. Singlehandedly took out a gateway.
3. Did the new missions on Elite. Decimated that as well.
So I know I can decimate any of the new content.
I still rather to use the traits capped to pre-revamp reputation with less buffs and harder STO end-game content. Since, I spent the hours to gain those passive skills.
I read about the changes and am personally not too upset about not being able to run everything concurrently, but after logging in to the new version, I can't run ANY of them. It says I need a respec, but, when I click the respec button, it closes the reputation window. I am pretty disappointed to have this happen the day before I was going to be able to lock Tier V of the Dyson reputation track.
Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Can anyone help?
I've seen a few posts. Submit a support ticket in game if I were you.
You don't level a rep to earn the passives, the passives are a side-effect of levelling the rep. You did it to be competitive. STFs used to be exactly the same. Borg prototype tech was supposed to be a by-product of simply playing the content.
The new traits are still unlocked via the rep system, so what was earned remains, the reward is just different. On this principle I could whine that buying my Romulan Sniper Rifle for dilithium was a rip-off because it will now in all likelihood drop as a rep box.
I do not do this because I have more important things to care about.
im going to guess you DIDN'T read the bit about the new rep system and how you WOULDN'T be able to run all the skills, as it was not balanced enough, someone who just hit lvl 50 could not compete with someone who had been lvl50 for a while cause they had all the rep boosts and the new guy had none. the new system is to correct that injustice. I bet you are only complaining cause you where one of the guys taht made it difficult for ppl like me who hadnt got all the rep goodies and would masacre us in pvp. well i for one am glad you can't use them all and if you dont like playing fair so much go play WOW, you can cry all you want over there about how you cant play god on sto anymore.
You want to play with the big boys? You want to feel "equal' to someone who's been a lev 50 for 3 or 4 years? Then put in the grind they did to EARN it! EARNING what you get IS "justice".
Whining is not.
You want to play with the big boys? You want to feel "equal' to someone who's been a lev 50 for 3 or 4 years? Then put in the grind they did to EARN it! EARNING what you get IS "justice".
Whining is not.
You want to play with the big boys? You want to feel "equal' to someone who's been a lev 50 for 3 or 4 years? Then put in the grind they did to EARN it! EARNING what you get IS "justice".
Whining is not.
Then stop whining. You wanna feel like you've earned something? Get out of your chair and do something IRL.
You don't level a rep to earn the passives, the passives are a side-effect of levelling the rep. You did it to be competitive. STFs used to be exactly the same. Borg prototype tech was supposed to be a by-product of simply playing the content.
The new traits are still unlocked via the rep system, so what was earned remains, the reward is just different. On this principle I could whine that buying my Romulan Sniper Rifle for dilithium was a rip-off because it will now in all likelihood drop as a rep box.
I do not do this because I have more important things to care about.
Depends on the player. In my case, I leveled up the reputation system only for the passives to use a good majority of them. I realized out of maybe 16 passive skills only 5% of them would be use but that 5% difference can make a difference against a high DPS player, Tactical Cube, Dreadnoughts and PVP play. I always play PVP. Yes. Since I had to choose passive skills. I had to think carefully which ones I wanted to use. Still I was happy to say I earned them and it gave me the feeling it's mine.
I think a better approach to dealing with future power creep would have been to limit the rep traits to 8 space and 8 ground. That would have allowed me to keep my current setup or change it around if I wanted. This would have ensured that players would not have lost anything at this point moving forward. After that, if they wanted to say "From henceforth, if you want to add any new stuff you must swap something out" I would have been fine with that. I would pick a future trait, if any, that I thought was worth the swap.
As it is now, having to pick just 4 space and 4 ground after reaping the benefits of 8 space and 8 ground for so long, I think the arguments of feeling cheated, etc. are valid. My first reaction once I realized this was disappointment. That's not an experience a new season should be giving.
I've noticed that Cryptic seems to miss the golden rule of new feature development which is "Don't ever take anything away". The only exception is if you replace it with something that is equal to or more preferably better than the original.
Then stop whining. You wanna feel like you've earned something? Get out of your chair and do something IRL.
Did you just seriously pull the "In real life" card in a forum dedicated to digital pixels?!
Seriously though, this rep change may have been need but the execution of this change was a train wreck could have been needed.
In it's current state it just provides the people screaming nerfs with a false sense of security. Just wait until Cryptic starts selling you Rep trait slots and don't give me that TRIBBLE they said they won't do that. Cryptic has a history after all.
You want to play with the big boys? You want to feel "equal' to someone who's been a lev 50 for 3 or 4 years? Then put in the grind they did to EARN it! EARNING what you get IS "justice".
Whining is not.
I completely agree.
I have fourteen toons, thirteen of which have 4 reps completed. I put in the time and effort required and if someone wants what I have, they should have to do the work and earn it.
Oh, your new level 50 toon can't compete? Hmmm...last time I looked, that's what being new meant, you don't have everything. You actually have to put in the time and effort and earn it, just like you earned level 50.
I worked for what I have and I have helped many new players get the marks so they can do their reps. I put in the time and effort many times over and I should not have to pick and choose at this point. It would have been better for them to let us keep what we worked for and set the limit at this point. I would have had no problem with that.
I was already unhappy with them nerfing a trait that I had worked a month to get and now this. I knew this was coming from the info in the blogs and such, so I stopped spending money on this game about 2 months ago.
On a good note, the money I stopped spending here bought me a new ship in Star Citizen. I will just bide my time and work on fleet holdings until that game goes live. No point in doing any more reps here.
Did you just seriously pull the "In real life" card in a forum dedicated to digital pixels?!
I pulled no "card", I merely made a suggestion. It doesn't matter where I said it. Worrying about a game, which in this context just boils down to a glorified pleasure service, is very unhealthy. There has been no "theft" or unjustice at all. There has also been no "earning" involved.
Also, the only ones whining here are the players who are upset about this change. What are the casuals/newbies whining about now? Getting their way? lol sure.
First, I never played PVP, only PVE. I prefer team play with friends.
Second, if the point is to be all "equal" why have any rewards at all? Just redistribute all the levels to everyone. Keep everyone at level 1. Give everyone a trophy. That will be fun! /sarc
No, this is wrong. Maybe they wrote about how they were going to change the rep system a few weeks ago, but they didn't write about it last year, or the year before. It's taking away something that was rightly earned before.
Again: no more $ for "Imperfect World."
You said it best but People that don't want to Earn ***** loud .
You cant change on the fly only in soc zones . I,m a fleet leader I seen a breech last night take 1 and half to finish all rep people ave Death 5 each me 10 times .
I agree with the majority here. The rep system was perfect. Those who played were rewarded. If you don't like PVP, don't play or find a matched opponent. I don't' t anybody that complained about the way it was before..
I completely agree with the original poster. This new rep steals from people who have been playing for a long time, players who have paid their fair share to the game on the assumption that we would be treated fair. The new people who have not leveled up yet have not spend the hours and euros into the game as many others, they had the opportunity to gain all we did! I did not PVP very much mainly because I dont want to, but if these new people were at such a disadvantaged, to the extent they neee to steal from the rich and give to the poor, then maybe they should stay out of PVP until they level up. playing the episodes gave plenty of gear and ability for even a new player to hold their own.
the fact is that we spent hundreds of thousands of dil to buy store items and gear from the rep system, now they give thay stuff away for free for simply slotting a project! we forged the way, and now we are screwed over. we are nerfed on dilithum from stfs and the rep system rewards. we are now able to trait respec on the fly, what about people who bought respec tokens? where is the compensation for the people whi did it the hard way? normally we get something in return when they take away from us, but now we get slapped in the face.
It's funny how a lot of people think this has to do with PvP. It doesn't. It has to do with an effort to prevent the end game from becoming tired and stale, and (admittedly) protecting their own wallets in the long run. 3 minute ISEs, Donatra not getting a shot off, CSE Cube Zergs... these are the reasons for the change. Now if you have access to all the REPs, you can still get away with a 7 minute ISE, Donatra perhaps gets her one good shot off, and maybe someone has to go back and clean up around the Kang. And it takes you just a bit longer to make your 60 O Marks and 500 +495 DIL.
It seems like they could either add new content at a higher difficulty, which means a bigger limitation to what you should play, and as a result have to wipe out the rewards for "lower tier" STFS. If you've completed Omega, for instance, all Borg STFs would only pay out, say, 1/4 of the reward 'cause why aren't you over in Dyson or Nukara?! Or they could do this, and make all the STF / Battlezones be top-end content to encourage you to bounce from Nukara to Defera to Voth to Undine Space...
For all the complaining that it's new 50s that want a free ride, it seems more like the power players that are complaining harder about having to pick rep powers instead of having their STF "easy button".
I have fourteen toons, thirteen of which have 4 reps completed. I put in the time and effort required and if someone wants what I have, they should have to do the work and earn it.
Oh, your new level 50 toon can't compete? Hmmm...last time I looked, that's what being new meant, you don't have everything. You actually have to put in the time and effort and earn it, just like you earned level 50.
I worked for what I have and I have helped many new players get the marks so they can do their reps. I put in the time and effort many times over and I should not have to pick and choose at this point. It would have been better for them to let us keep what we worked for and set the limit at this point. I would have had no problem with that.
I was already unhappy with them nerfing a trait that I had worked a month to get and now this. I knew this was coming from the info in the blogs and such, so I stopped spending money on this game about 2 months ago.
On a good note, the money I stopped spending here bought me a new ship in Star Citizen. I will just bide my time and work on fleet holdings until that game goes live. No point in doing any more reps here.
I pulled no "card", I merely made a suggestion. It doesn't matter where I said it. Worrying about a game, which in this context just boils down to a glorified pleasure service, is very unhealthy. There has been no "theft" or unjustice at all. There has also been no "earning" involved.
Also, the only ones whining here are the players who are upset about this change. What are the casuals/newbies whining about now? Getting their way? lol sure.
Just saying.... that's like going into a sport's bar and telling people to stop obsessing over sports and get a life.
Anyway...maybe not theft, but this is definitely a shady decision on Cryptic's part, you allow people to waste time (arguably the most valuable resource anyone has) to EARN passives, only to say "hey we are taking away half of your effectiveness, but hey go buy whatever stupid ship we can shove into a lockbox" Yeah I'd say that's dishonest, shady, and borderline theft. I think Cryptic deserves troll of the year award for this lol.
But whatever I don't really care anymore, nothing we do or say will really change it. Just kinda annoying how people blindly rationalize it.
Just saying.... that's like going into a sport's bar and telling people to stop obsessing over sports and get a life.
No, it's not. It's not about obsessing over games in general. A more proper analogy would be someone accusing a sports official for changing a rule. Because that's all that happened here. Cryptic changed the rules. Nothing was stolen, nothing was taken away. People are complaining about losing things that they were never entitled to, period.
Cryptic even has the power to permanently ban us all if they choose. They just let us play. Complaining that the service we're getting is reduced in some fashion will not accomplish anything. It's not worthy for them to reconsider, it's not worthy to call the BBB over, it's just not important at all in the long run. OP isn't the only one whose characters are weakened by it, but if he isn't reasonable enough not only to not understand why the nerf was needed, but to post a thread like this as if he's entitled to something... yeah, he's gonna get called out for it.
And comparing a specific incident to a wide generalization isn't exactly a non-blind rationalization either. Pot, meet the kettle.
Maybe there should be a Season 5 throwback as a history lesson for everyone... me back to doing stf's in a captain level tactical escort unhappy at the assault cruiser on my first tac officer, ahh nostalgia ...(Now I seriously feel like poking at it's equipment and doing an stf in that ship just as a reminder of how silly overpowered we are compared to the content)
No, it's not. It's not about obsessing over games in general. A more proper analogy would be someone accusing a sports official for changing a rule. Because that's all that happened here. Cryptic changed the rules. Nothing was stolen, nothing was taken away. People are complaining about losing things that they were never entitled to, period.
Cryptic even has the power to permanently ban us all if they choose. They just let us play. Complaining that the service we're getting is reduced in some fashion will not accomplish anything. It's not worthy for them to reconsider, it's not worthy to call the BBB over, it's just not important at all in the long run. OP isn't the only one whose characters are weakened by it, but if he isn't reasonable enough not only to not understand why the nerf was needed, but to post a thread like this as if he's entitled to something... yeah, he's gonna get called out for it.
And comparing a specific incident to a wide generalization isn't exactly a non-blind rationalization either. Pot, meet the kettle.
The hell does Obama have to do with anything...?
Government officials have been redistributing wealth since far before Obama. That's the very reason taxes exist for crying out loud.
Taxes are a throwback to the times where money actually had value, being made out of rare metals.
But yes, Cryptic can do as they please. But you forget that the players are partly the paying customers.
A badly treated customer wont pay. Cryptic should have a stake here.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
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What happens in a few months time when some players still haven't completed any rep systems and are still complaining about those that still get to choose from the measly 4 slots now available and call power creep or we players have a unfair advantage and are over powered.
DO WE LOSE THESE TRAITS AS WELL
Its like me working a 12 hr shift and someone else doing 4 hrs and my company deciding oh sorry 12 hr guy its unfair to pay more than the 4 hr guy as you are both doing the same job, therefore we must pay both of you the same.
I'm sorry the Rep system and leveling was and is a choice with built in rewards for completing the chain. I earnt those rewards, for someone else who doesn't have the time/perseverance or desire to do them sorry but tough luck. I earnt my rep powers fair and square.
What has Cryptic taught me over these changes.
A. They didn't think the rep system through with the traits but continue to release power creep ships and weapons into the game
B. Anything i earn can and will be nerfed so DON'T SPEND REAL LIFE MONEY on this game as its a wasted investment.
C. Hard work means squat and is not rewarded
Thank you Cryptic the worse thing that ever happened to this game was going free 2 play. Its nothing more for you guys than a cash grab.
It seems like they could either add new content at a higher difficulty, which means a bigger limitation to what you should play, and as a result have to wipe out the rewards for "lower tier" STFS. If you've completed Omega, for instance, all Borg STFs would only pay out, say, 1/4 of the reward 'cause why aren't you over in Dyson or Nukara?! Or they could do this, and make all the STF / Battlezones be top-end content to encourage you to bounce from Nukara to Defera to Voth to Undine Space...
For all the complaining that it's new 50s that want a free ride, it seems more like the power players that are complaining harder about having to pick rep powers instead of having their STF "easy button".
Even with the loss of mucho rep traits, the basic STF's are still easy as hell, so they solved nothing.
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Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Can anyone help?
Actually, I picked the 4/4/4 traits. I don't have to change my traits for anything now nor do the reputation systems.
So far in testing.
1. Went to Kerrat because it's harder hitting. I was able to decimate. Waiting to see Undine ships to blow up.
2. Played 5 min ISE, it might have been less. Singlehandedly took out a gateway.
3. Did the new missions on Elite. Decimated that as well.
So I know I can decimate any of the new content.
I still rather to use the traits capped to pre-revamp reputation with less buffs and harder STO end-game content. Since, I spent the hours to gain those passive skills.
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I've seen a few posts. Submit a support ticket in game if I were you.
The new traits are still unlocked via the rep system, so what was earned remains, the reward is just different. On this principle I could whine that buying my Romulan Sniper Rifle for dilithium was a rip-off because it will now in all likelihood drop as a rep box.
I do not do this because I have more important things to care about.
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You want to play with the big boys? You want to feel "equal' to someone who's been a lev 50 for 3 or 4 years? Then put in the grind they did to EARN it! EARNING what you get IS "justice".
Whining is not.
That's not the Cryptic way.
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Depends on the player. In my case, I leveled up the reputation system only for the passives to use a good majority of them. I realized out of maybe 16 passive skills only 5% of them would be use but that 5% difference can make a difference against a high DPS player, Tactical Cube, Dreadnoughts and PVP play. I always play PVP. Yes. Since I had to choose passive skills. I had to think carefully which ones I wanted to use. Still I was happy to say I earned them and it gave me the feeling it's mine.
I did.
We each do what we do for our own reasons.
(OK and the dilithium)
As it is now, having to pick just 4 space and 4 ground after reaping the benefits of 8 space and 8 ground for so long, I think the arguments of feeling cheated, etc. are valid. My first reaction once I realized this was disappointment. That's not an experience a new season should be giving.
I've noticed that Cryptic seems to miss the golden rule of new feature development which is "Don't ever take anything away". The only exception is if you replace it with something that is equal to or more preferably better than the original.
Did you just seriously pull the "In real life" card in a forum dedicated to digital pixels?!
Seriously though, this rep change may have been need but the execution of this change was a train wreck could have been needed.
In it's current state it just provides the people screaming nerfs with a false sense of security. Just wait until Cryptic starts selling you Rep trait slots and don't give me that TRIBBLE they said they won't do that. Cryptic has a history after all.
I completely agree.
I have fourteen toons, thirteen of which have 4 reps completed. I put in the time and effort required and if someone wants what I have, they should have to do the work and earn it.
Oh, your new level 50 toon can't compete? Hmmm...last time I looked, that's what being new meant, you don't have everything. You actually have to put in the time and effort and earn it, just like you earned level 50.
I worked for what I have and I have helped many new players get the marks so they can do their reps. I put in the time and effort many times over and I should not have to pick and choose at this point. It would have been better for them to let us keep what we worked for and set the limit at this point. I would have had no problem with that.
I was already unhappy with them nerfing a trait that I had worked a month to get and now this. I knew this was coming from the info in the blogs and such, so I stopped spending money on this game about 2 months ago.
On a good note, the money I stopped spending here bought me a new ship in Star Citizen. I will just bide my time and work on fleet holdings until that game goes live. No point in doing any more reps here.
True. At least until I can pick which trait I earn just like I have to choose which trait I use.
Also, the only ones whining here are the players who are upset about this change. What are the casuals/newbies whining about now? Getting their way? lol sure.
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So say the over payed troll
Which ship did you get? I just saw this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-OFMfSPVuA
The latter part of the video is interesting.
Just saying.... that's like going into a sport's bar and telling people to stop obsessing over sports and get a life.
Anyway...maybe not theft, but this is definitely a shady decision on Cryptic's part, you allow people to waste time (arguably the most valuable resource anyone has) to EARN passives, only to say "hey we are taking away half of your effectiveness, but hey go buy whatever stupid ship we can shove into a lockbox" Yeah I'd say that's dishonest, shady, and borderline theft. I think Cryptic deserves troll of the year award for this lol.
But whatever I don't really care anymore, nothing we do or say will really change it. Just kinda annoying how people blindly rationalize it.
My first ship is the Aurora LN I think...have to go sign in and check the name to be certain.
Cryptic even has the power to permanently ban us all if they choose. They just let us play. Complaining that the service we're getting is reduced in some fashion will not accomplish anything. It's not worthy for them to reconsider, it's not worthy to call the BBB over, it's just not important at all in the long run. OP isn't the only one whose characters are weakened by it, but if he isn't reasonable enough not only to not understand why the nerf was needed, but to post a thread like this as if he's entitled to something... yeah, he's gonna get called out for it.
And comparing a specific incident to a wide generalization isn't exactly a non-blind rationalization either. Pot, meet the kettle.
The hell does Obama have to do with anything...?
Government officials have been redistributing wealth since far before Obama. That's the very reason taxes exist for crying out loud.
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The answer is clear ... no :P
Maybe there should be a Season 5 throwback as a history lesson for everyone... me back to doing stf's in a captain level tactical escort unhappy at the assault cruiser on my first tac officer, ahh nostalgia ...(Now I seriously feel like poking at it's equipment and doing an stf in that ship just as a reminder of how silly overpowered we are compared to the content)
Taxes are a throwback to the times where money actually had value, being made out of rare metals.
But yes, Cryptic can do as they please. But you forget that the players are partly the paying customers.
A badly treated customer wont pay. Cryptic should have a stake here.