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Theft: Revised Rep System
filmtrek
Member Posts: 26 Arc User
So I spent money and time to advance through the reputation system, thinking that all of the traits I earned would be active all at the same time. That was the point of going through them, no?
The Dyson, Romulan, Omega, Nukara rep powers were active all at the same time.
But now I log in to Season 9 to discover that only 4 of each type can be active at any given time.
You don't sell something to someone and then change things around so that the item can't be used as originally specified. Don't care whether or not it's covered under the TOS, this is disgusting behavior.
No more $ from this user for "Imperfect World" until this theft is reversed and the reputation powers are all restored.
The Dyson, Romulan, Omega, Nukara rep powers were active all at the same time.
But now I log in to Season 9 to discover that only 4 of each type can be active at any given time.
You don't sell something to someone and then change things around so that the item can't be used as originally specified. Don't care whether or not it's covered under the TOS, this is disgusting behavior.
No more $ from this user for "Imperfect World" until this theft is reversed and the reputation powers are all restored.
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First, I never played PVP, only PVE. I prefer team play with friends.
Second, if the point is to be all "equal" why have any rewards at all? Just redistribute all the levels to everyone. Keep everyone at level 1. Give everyone a trophy. That will be fun! /sarc
No, this is wrong. Maybe they wrote about how they were going to change the rep system a few weeks ago, but they didn't write about it last year, or the year before. It's taking away something that was rightly earned before.
Again: no more $ for "Imperfect World."
So either Cryptic would have to prevent players from doing their content through gating, raise the level cap, introduce a new difficulty level, or alter the reputation passives. The problem with a new difficulty level is that Cryptic would have to keep on introducing more and more difficulties levels as more and more reputations are added which causes the queues to be more fractured.
At least this change is happening now and not 2 years from now when it would be needed to fix the power creep caused by reputation passives.
These changes have been an open discussion for the last 3 weeks. The reasons for the changes were explained in detail (surprising detail given previous efforts at communication).
And now you're complaining?
Agreed.
The only thing it's done is turn me off from STO altogether. What's the point of working to achieve anything in a game if, on a whim and a few week's notice on a forum, they summarily whisk it away?
No more $ for "Imperfect World."
Really? I can't complain because they were writing about this for three weeks?
Three weeks? I've been playing the game for over a year. Why didn't they warn me a year ago not to work so hard for all those rep powers, or plunk $ to help get through the rep levels?
This is a lame objection to my objection.
And honestly, the notion is so ridiculous I never would have thought that any game developer would suddenly wipe out the achievements that their user base had been building for so long.
Again: no more $ for "Imperfect World."
Wwwwaaaahhhhhh *inhales* wwwwwaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh
Seriously though, dont know why you have "spent money" on the rep system for the passives. The reps are more about getting the gear rather than the passive abilities so I cannot understand why so many people are crying about this.
The change was put there for future passives otherwise when we have 50 odd reputation passives we'll basically be gods.
As a side note : The tactic of saying "I don't like X so cryptic isn't getting my money" is tiresome. Unless you are spending tens of thousands a month, threatening not to spend money is little more than throwing a tantrum...
The problem i have, they almost always lie to us.
You have no defense here dude. They state in the ToS that they can make changes to content at any time and you agreed to that the first time you played the game. I'm sorry that you don't like this change (personally I love it) and I get that you feel cheated because you payed real world money to progress faster in your reps, but that was your choice to do.
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
Then stop the progression here, do not nerf. Why is that so difficult?
I already addressed the TOS in the first post, "dude." Imperfect World may be perfectly within its rights legally to take away achievements a player had previously earned.
This, however, does not make it morally right. It is still theft, legal or no.
Quite so, and I wasn't arguing otherwise.
It is also my choice now to never to spend $ on Imperfect World games because I can't count on my $ purchasing anything of permanence.
It is also my choice to warn everyone in my fleet, my immediate circle, on forums, in blog posts, and everywhere else I can to never, ever spend money on Imperfect World products.
Im using combinations of best gear avaible in game rep ,dil ,zen and lobi gear and i seriously doubt there is anything better in undne rep so im asking why nerf players when game progress?
I like the new system. On the fly changes to both rep and character traits and all for free unlike previously costing zen. the only thing I don't like is the removal of the MK X and XI gear.
I and many others spent $ for various reasons; to get passives, get the actives (some of the rep systems provide actives like Dyson's resistance, etc., etc.
Who cares what you think the reasons should be to climb through the rep system?
So? I achieved passive and active powers, worked hard to get them, and now I can't use them. At the very least they could have preserved the earned achievements (by, for instance, adding enough slots to have all current passives and actives still useable).
The "tactic" is a tried and true for consumers of any product. Sorry you like New Coke to the point that you think it can't even be complained about. As for me, I think it's wretched and I will say so quite often.
Again: no $ for Imperfect World.
It is theft in the moral sense, in the practice, if maybe not in their TOS or maybe legally.
Money (and time, which also has value) was spent with the notion that achievements earned would, at the very least, be achievements kept. Many other players feel exactly the same I do.
While you may like New Coke, the players who actually spend money on the game (and make it fly for the ones who don't) can't trust Imperfect World any more.
You can only use four of them. The rest is waste.
Now you're stretching it on the moral sense one.
You do keep them, some have even been buffed, now you just have to make a choice, and they are free to change.
You can't speak for everyone sorry. Some will agree with you and some won't on both sides thse that pay and those that don't.
Why would I ever want to switch them? I already have the perfect loudout. The only reason to switch would be if they added some very op powers in a future rep.
Like "Ferengi Lobi Reputation tier 2 offensive power : "Steals zen, dilithium and ec from target"
Or iconian rep tier 2 offensive power : 15% Ap damage boost.
Point is there is NO respect for veteran players NOPE, NONE, NADDA, Not even a shred. There is no advantage to spending time or energy developing your toons when the next season they nerf the hell out of you all over again. I have watched them lie and decieve players since day 1... ask me how my lifer rewards are? Hidden in the 16 pages of today's update was a nerf to the transphasic build. Ask the DEVS why they intentionally "Toned Down" the Mk XI Breen Transphasic Cluster Bomb? Because too many wiley vets opted out of the a2b faw/dem build that was feeding into a lockbox feeding frenzy. These vets had the audacity to attempt to use strategy to come up with something other than a cookie cutter I win build.
They have gone out of thier way to make non-lockbox ships completely and utterly useless at level 50. Even the so-called "Fleet" versions are of no consequence. Now these powers and traits I collected are the subject of the latest nerf.
Why not just end this madness by saying ok you got to level 50 you are "RETIRED" start a new toon? After all that is the best way to keep newbies the same as veterans.
Which is a bit myopic ... they are there for you when you want to use them.
I'm beginning to believe some players just want to plug in a trait and forget about it. So "forcing" players to pick and choose traits to maximize their build-at-the-moment is tantamount to "work" ... which is not what a game should be.
Add the idea that grind = work, then anyone who "worked" for the traits they did (do) have feels justifiably upset.
For my part, these Rep passives are not making my gameplay better or worse; the time has been spent. I'd rather have fun so I'm no longer fretting over it.
You keep saying something was taken from you, theft etc... NOTHING was taken away from you. You still have access to all of your earned traits. You just cannot use them all at the same time. You can pick and chose them according to the mission at hand. No different than having multiple boffs, you may have 67 boffs but you can only seat 4. Are they stealing from you and your boffs? No.
Developer: we are going to do this to allow more balance and finer tuned content
Player: YOU KILLED THIS GAME!! YOU HATE MY CLASS/SPEC/ALL PLAYERS!!MINE MINE MINE!!!
Since about October last year, yes. Before that, there was no dyson rep. Nukara rep came in last april-ish. You've basicaly been able to have 2 more space passives than you now can for about a year, and 4 more for 6 months, ish.
Let's not forget, the game had no rep passives before November 2012.
Fair enough on this, you're entitled to an opinion.
the fact is that we spent hundreds of thousands of dil to buy store items and gear from the rep system, now they give thay stuff away for free for simply slotting a project! we forged the way, and now we are screwed over. we are nerfed on dilithum from stfs and the rep system rewards. we are now able to trait respec on the fly, what about people who bought respec tokens? where is the compensation for the people whi did it the hard way? normally we get something in return when they take away from us, but now we get slapped in the face.
</GoldSubscription> no more $ for imperfect world