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netherny
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Let me first say that I do from time to time enjoy visiting the forums, in hopes that I might learn something new which will enhance my enjoyment of the game. Maybe I
will learn about something that I am not currently doing, but that if I did try, would open up a whole new way of playing, etc etc.
So, onto business....
1. One of the most common forum thread types I have noticed are those which I call (for lack of a kinder term) have termed "whiner threads", where people, well.... whine and cry and beg for something that they would like to have in the game. I will be gentler and call them "request threads".
2. A great many "request threads", it seems, is people wanting a T5 Constitution class refit. Now, bear in mind, the people in charge of the game have said that this will never happen. And that seems quite succinct and final.
3. There are many people, (including myself), who would like very much to have a higher level ship that has that "old school" feel. Now I know what you're going to say... "go with an Excelsior Refit... that's about as old school as you can get at higher levels, and besides, it's a very good ship." Well, you're right, but it's from the 80's, not the 60's. When we say "old school", we mean "old school". A Tier 4 (RA) ship, built in the old style, with a Tier 5 Zen Store version, each with innate abilities, is what I am thinking.
4. At Rear Admiral, you should be able to choose a "Retro Ship", after all STO has already done this. Example; the NX-01, and the Exeter Class / Constitution Class refit.
Now, Please read the following...
(from the description of the NX01 Retrofit)
"After Starfleet starships were converted to a modular design, a group from the Starfleet Corps of Engineers working at Utopia Planitia wondered if vessels from the Federation's past could be constructed in this manner. Working with Federation historian Geoffrey Pacelli, the SCE officers chose the famed NX Class for reconstruction. The NX Class Starship Replica sports the classic look of Earth's starships from the 22nd century, but has been updated with modern technology to meet current Starfleet specifications for Lieutenant-rank missions. It carries a crew of 85, and in a nod to the technology of the 22nd Century the SCE has added a Grappler, which is less
efficient than a tractor beam but can hold an enemy for a short time. Note: Purchasing this ship from the C-Store unlocks it for all Federation characters on an account."
5. If the Starfleet Corps of Engineers is capable of re-creating These ships, it surely must be capable of re-creating the Constitution Class cruiser, the very same class of the NCC-1701 Enterprise, BUT, with "updated modern technology to meet current Starfleet specifications."
6. This "little Connie R" could be a Captain (or even Commander) level, essentially no different than the Exploration Cruiser (or Heavy Cruiser), simply more nimble and
with fewer hitpoints, a tiny boost to defense and a tiny boost to beam damage. After all, Romulans can obtain the Valdore.
7. the VA version would be on par with the Sovereign R, but without the metreon gas canisters. Instead, it would receieve a small bonus according to the career of the
Captain in command. Just some ideas;
a: Tac Captain - 10% faster torpedo recharge
b: Eng Catain - 10% faster repairs
c: Sci Captan - 10% duration of all science abilities
Now, please nobody freak out and lose their minds.... this is just an idea I had and thought I'd throw it out there; the players who want to play "Old School" and want their T5 Connie, even when max level, and the Zen Store who need to make a living by selling a product so they can feed their families. And best of all, no "uniconsoles" are involved which would.... well, to be honest, weaken any ship. And yes, the BO, weapon, and Console slots would be the same as their same-tier counterparts. And yes, I think you should be able to make it look like an Excalibur, Vesper or Exeter if you want, at the ship tailor guy.
They already have the liscense to have the "Enterprise" Connie, so I don't see any reason why they couldn't simply make a higher level version of it. The reasoning in-game for doing so would simply be that, they already have the machining and tooling set up to build these ships, which haven't been used in some time, meaning that they would be able to build them fairly quickly. And also, potential enemies would be confused to be confronted with what appears to be an older design, even if the higher level ship is a little larger in overall size. The T5 Connie would be very close to the size of a Sovereign, for example.
BTW, on my main, I have him wearing a uniform that is as close as possible to the "tan" uniform we see in the first few episodes of TOS, and I re-ran those missions where you get the old school phaser pistols for all my Bridge Officers lol. My Tac, I went with the big ol' Kirk Style phaser rifle. I grew up watching TOS and to me, it's got a certain fun and charm to it.
If you guys and gals have any alternatives, please let me know. I've tried bringing my ol' Connie out of mothballs, and went and tried Traelus Satellite Repair, and man, it took forever to kill those Cardassians.
Anyway, it was just a crazy idea I had, and I don't care one way or the other. Just thought I'd share it in case anyone else thought it might be worth thinking about. If they don't do this (which they probably wont, I guess I'll start working towards getting an Excelsior as the next bet thing. Thanks for reading, and have fun out there!
Thanks for your time
will learn about something that I am not currently doing, but that if I did try, would open up a whole new way of playing, etc etc.
So, onto business....
1. One of the most common forum thread types I have noticed are those which I call (for lack of a kinder term) have termed "whiner threads", where people, well.... whine and cry and beg for something that they would like to have in the game. I will be gentler and call them "request threads".
2. A great many "request threads", it seems, is people wanting a T5 Constitution class refit. Now, bear in mind, the people in charge of the game have said that this will never happen. And that seems quite succinct and final.
3. There are many people, (including myself), who would like very much to have a higher level ship that has that "old school" feel. Now I know what you're going to say... "go with an Excelsior Refit... that's about as old school as you can get at higher levels, and besides, it's a very good ship." Well, you're right, but it's from the 80's, not the 60's. When we say "old school", we mean "old school". A Tier 4 (RA) ship, built in the old style, with a Tier 5 Zen Store version, each with innate abilities, is what I am thinking.
4. At Rear Admiral, you should be able to choose a "Retro Ship", after all STO has already done this. Example; the NX-01, and the Exeter Class / Constitution Class refit.
Now, Please read the following...
(from the description of the NX01 Retrofit)
"After Starfleet starships were converted to a modular design, a group from the Starfleet Corps of Engineers working at Utopia Planitia wondered if vessels from the Federation's past could be constructed in this manner. Working with Federation historian Geoffrey Pacelli, the SCE officers chose the famed NX Class for reconstruction. The NX Class Starship Replica sports the classic look of Earth's starships from the 22nd century, but has been updated with modern technology to meet current Starfleet specifications for Lieutenant-rank missions. It carries a crew of 85, and in a nod to the technology of the 22nd Century the SCE has added a Grappler, which is less
efficient than a tractor beam but can hold an enemy for a short time. Note: Purchasing this ship from the C-Store unlocks it for all Federation characters on an account."
5. If the Starfleet Corps of Engineers is capable of re-creating These ships, it surely must be capable of re-creating the Constitution Class cruiser, the very same class of the NCC-1701 Enterprise, BUT, with "updated modern technology to meet current Starfleet specifications."
6. This "little Connie R" could be a Captain (or even Commander) level, essentially no different than the Exploration Cruiser (or Heavy Cruiser), simply more nimble and
with fewer hitpoints, a tiny boost to defense and a tiny boost to beam damage. After all, Romulans can obtain the Valdore.
7. the VA version would be on par with the Sovereign R, but without the metreon gas canisters. Instead, it would receieve a small bonus according to the career of the
Captain in command. Just some ideas;
a: Tac Captain - 10% faster torpedo recharge
b: Eng Catain - 10% faster repairs
c: Sci Captan - 10% duration of all science abilities
Now, please nobody freak out and lose their minds.... this is just an idea I had and thought I'd throw it out there; the players who want to play "Old School" and want their T5 Connie, even when max level, and the Zen Store who need to make a living by selling a product so they can feed their families. And best of all, no "uniconsoles" are involved which would.... well, to be honest, weaken any ship. And yes, the BO, weapon, and Console slots would be the same as their same-tier counterparts. And yes, I think you should be able to make it look like an Excalibur, Vesper or Exeter if you want, at the ship tailor guy.
They already have the liscense to have the "Enterprise" Connie, so I don't see any reason why they couldn't simply make a higher level version of it. The reasoning in-game for doing so would simply be that, they already have the machining and tooling set up to build these ships, which haven't been used in some time, meaning that they would be able to build them fairly quickly. And also, potential enemies would be confused to be confronted with what appears to be an older design, even if the higher level ship is a little larger in overall size. The T5 Connie would be very close to the size of a Sovereign, for example.
BTW, on my main, I have him wearing a uniform that is as close as possible to the "tan" uniform we see in the first few episodes of TOS, and I re-ran those missions where you get the old school phaser pistols for all my Bridge Officers lol. My Tac, I went with the big ol' Kirk Style phaser rifle. I grew up watching TOS and to me, it's got a certain fun and charm to it.
If you guys and gals have any alternatives, please let me know. I've tried bringing my ol' Connie out of mothballs, and went and tried Traelus Satellite Repair, and man, it took forever to kill those Cardassians.
Anyway, it was just a crazy idea I had, and I don't care one way or the other. Just thought I'd share it in case anyone else thought it might be worth thinking about. If they don't do this (which they probably wont, I guess I'll start working towards getting an Excelsior as the next bet thing. Thanks for reading, and have fun out there!
Thanks for your time
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Look man it not gonna happen... There will be no bloody T5 Connie, Miranda, Oberth, or NX ships. If you asked why not... Cause CBS say so, don't ask why cuz it been said many times on the forums.
Now be a nice fellow and put on ur flame suit cuz it coming and it not gonna be pretty lol
What if I don't want a tier 5 connie? What if I want a tier 5 EXETER. Ya know the 750 zen ship that was launched in 2392. Or a tier 5 Vesper or Exeter which were launched in the same year?
Ya know ships that are newer than the tier 4 "Hero class ships" aka Defiant, Galaxy and Intrepid?
Ya know the other 2 skins and other ship that are some of the newest ships to be built by starfleet?
Ya know these ships:
http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/sto.gamepedia.com/1/1a/Default_Excalibur_Class.jpg?version=e73331e2c832c86c1c24aa82eeeb015e
http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/sto.gamepedia.com/f/f1/Default_Vesper_Class.jpg?version=2a8983d7278b5aa626f20ebca130f6f6
http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/sto.gamepedia.com/e/e9/Default_Exeter_Class.jpg?version=39d3c043c170ccd0386496bea82e9039
Don't want a tier 5 connie. I WANT tier 5 versions of ships that are some of the newest ships in the fleet. I mean if we can have a fleet excelsior because one of the big wigs wanted one in, I think we can have fleet versions of these. And also considering the fact we have a fleet nova and fleet saber class, I don't see what the major malfunction is.
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The problem with that is the very same big wig said a T5 version of the alternate skins is pretty much never going to happen. Again, we don't know why, but it is what we've been told.
Personally I think a lot of the problems with ships this game has stems from same said big wig.
There being nothing anyone can do about it isn't quite true. Instead of posting here the people should organise a letter writing campaign to CBS. If enough people do it you never know what will happen, as such campaigns can be powerful.
They have gotten another series of TV series in the past, and those aren't cheap to make, for example:
La Femme Nikita got series 5 it was canceled after series 4.
Charmed got series 8, series 7 was when it was meant to end.
TOS, I was told this was canceled after the first series but for a letter writing campaign.
Job done.
Well, like I said, it was just a crazy idear I had...(and I was more than a little 4/20'd at the time) so anyway... if not the ship itself, then at least the *look* of it. I mean come on, you gotta admit, the original Enterprise was a nice, clean design.
Guess I'm just stuck with my Sov-R. But somehow it's just not... 'Enterprisey" enough. And I stuck those gas canisters in the bank a long time ago.
Just to be perfectly clear, and factual:
CBS HAS NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE MIRANDA, OBERTH OR NX being or not being T5. EVER. Never, ever, ever, ever. Not a single comment. Zero, zilch, nada.
Doesnt men we cant have a T-4 then does it
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
The constitution isnt small
It is a class XII heavy cruiser 210.000 MT crew of 400
The defiant is a class VII 100.000 MT crew of 50
STO has the scale wrong
The Excelsior is a class XIII at 240.000 Mt...................just for scale.....see how bad STO got the scale wrong
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I'd assume it's the same reason why the Connie is kept to blink-and-you-miss-it moments in TNG and DS9: CBS is paranoid about people mistaking any on-screen Connie as being Kirk's Enterprise, or confusing the timeline as permitting the Constitution to keep up with the bigger, faster, newer ships, on top of the issue of the CBS/Paramount split and the JJ-prise.
In STO terms, even if it was allowed as a T5 ship, it'd probably be a featherweight, like the Aquarius. Something like 34k hull and no real compensation for it compared to the Fleet Avenger.
:rolleyes:
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Agreed... apparently seaquest42 hasn't read this thread, where we went in-depth about what CBS has and hasn't banned, and other stuff.
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Just because "professionals" create a replica, does in NO WAY mean it has the ability to perform on-par with the newest technologies.
I always refer back to my example of the Wright Brothers plane. Get a bunch of military professionals to make a replica of the plane, but make the frame out of composites, install jet engines, and install all of today's standard military aircraft equipment. The Wright Brothers plane will NOT be able to hold itself together, simply because the design is too old and cannot accommodate new technologies. Simply put, because the plane wasn't designed for jet-aircraft speeds, it will fly itself apart.
Same deal here. The bull that Cryptic put in its description means nothing, except that a ship that is over 250 years old can now be flown as a Lieutenant level ship. The NX-class could barely hold its own against 22nd century Borg. I sincerely doubt the ship can even fire one salvo against today's Borg, before it's blasted into a chunk of debris, much like the ships at Wolf 359.
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Yeah, silly is it not?
And a portion of them are some of the same ones whining over the in-game Galaxy Class. :rolleyes:
Last I checked, the Galaxy wasn't banned by CBS, but the Connie was.
People who choose to "whine" (The actual terms are "promote" or "endorse") the Galaxy are the smart ones, because they know which fight isn't impossible to win.
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And the last I checked, we don't know all of the details behind this supposed "ban". All we can do is speculate.
And you can mince words all you want to. But since the Galaxy got it's recent update in response to that humongous thread, it's pretty much a whine fest and beating a dead horse now. Just because a few, like greedy children at Christmas, are not satisfied with what the developers did. They want it their way, or it's the highway.
it's just funny that people up against the same wall are against each other rather than supporting each other...a banned ship or a ship they see as less than T5 is no different
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Unfortunately, the last three emails I sent over to CBS Interactive have gone unanswered. I'm working on the info a lot of people are guessing at here. Apparently there's a podcast with Dan Stahl discussing the Connie, and that the ban is still in place a good two or three years after the launch of this game.
No, the Galaxy didn't get a revamp. The Galaxy-X received a revamp (hangar slot, saucer sep, fleet version, etc). The original namesake received 0.00% unique changes. What the developers did was pull a smart-alecky move, where they assumed that all players are fundamentally stupid and won't recognize the difference between a Galaxy and the Galaxy-X dreadnought, and based most of the revamp on the latter.
A banned ship sees no chance of ever attaining the T5 status. Whereas the Galaxy, a ship that isn't banned, is already T5 and has a few limited options available to it. There is a difference.
Anyways, I digress, this thread is about the T5 Connie (or the lack thereof). I don't want to pull us off course.
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I would hope they would. A T5 Connie would likely be pulverized in the first wave, and have a negative impact on the rest of the team.
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With the exception of a properly built Khyzon (which technically isn't the 22nd century Kumari), the Andorian escorts aren't suited for No Win Scenario, so I doubt they would fare any better.
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The andorian escorts are not the same ships from ENT, it even says that right in the C-Store description.
And you be right about that Stardestoryer001, thanks for posting the link. So I will say I that I am wrong about the other ships and for that I am sorry. But if I am reading the link right... its says that CBS banned only the TOS Enterprise.