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For the record - EVIL factions rock....
drkfrontiers
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Recently read something which kind of made me do a double take. Not sure if its a valid observation, but the idea that Cryptic would never consider doing an "evil" faction. Say whaaaat?
I could not imagine a more diverse storyline if written from the right angle.
Anti Heroes are the new heroes. Redemption - there is no greater story to be told.
I could not imagine a more diverse storyline if written from the right angle.
Anti Heroes are the new heroes. Redemption - there is no greater story to be told.
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And that was the last statement about it that I read, and it kinda makes sense... After all, once you go too deep into a villan, you kinda remove the mystery about them (voyager and borg anyone?).
And how would you explain this to CBS, who wants a family friendly Star Trek IP ???
That's not even remotely the same as the villain.:rolleyes:
Thanks Rob Liefeld, but The Dark Knight Returns is sooooo 1986.
I mean, look at the Borg. Everyone always complains at them, but really are the Federation any better - at least the Borg are honest about their intent to assimilate you.
Or the RSE - silently getting on by itself, watching the rise of a potential threat as it expands claiming more and more worlds.
Or the Dominion. Always misjudged, it was the Federation who violated their territory.
A good villain faction would be a very unique perspective, but IMHO antiheroes would be same ol' same ol'.
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want an evil faction? play TOR on the sith side, otherwise out here in star trek land, we like our heroes, and if we had a villain it would be a complex one, like gul dukat, more then a 2 dimensional representation of that utter TRIBBLE on jjcrapverse.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I think something like this may do the trick
I don't think "if you want to join us, you need to adjust your way of life to not discriminate" is keeping the truth from Federation applicants... It's no secret that the federation wants as many members as possible, but they don't force people to do so... If they did, The Cardassians would be federation members now.
I'm not think of the traditional anti-hero. Sorry, I'm think more along the lines of this.
But how about if the faction storyline was bad to the bone villain
Agreed. If you want to see the difference between Villain and Antihero, then look at the difference between the Westin Phipps and Hardcase contacts in City of Villains. Hardcase is about protecting the civilians on the island from demons for a price and Westin Phipps likes to appear as the moral philanthropist, but loves seeing the people around him downtrodden. One of his missions was burning books and poisoning food that the hero faction smuggled to help the citizens of the villain faction's capital city. City of Villains had a lot of mission contacts that exist in the morally grey area, but very few that were evil.
I find that "no evil faction" sentiment a bit hypocritical. After all, the Klingons in STO are much more an "Evil" faction in this game then they were in the series, even in TOS or ENT.
The Klingons are allied with the Orions (slavers and criminals), and wage war against the Federation, even when it doesn't make sense.
The Romulan Republic is the most "nice" of the lot, but they still use Thalaron weapons pretty much everywhere.
And finally, all of those factions uses Hyperonic radiation (seen someone die from acute radiation poisoning ? That's not pretty), exothermic induction field (burning alive for several minutes until you die is so fun), and plasma grenade (in case common fire is not enough, now we can use chemical fire, as gruesome but even more effective), and mines (currently forbidden by the Geneva Convention, but in the future, nobody cares about dismemberment and kids wandering in the wrong places).
This why I never understood why STO reverted the lore back to TOS terms of KDF = evil and SF = good. My generation know as "trekkers" was a polar opposite of the "trekkies" the fans of mid 60s to the mid 80s. I never liked Kirk, in my eyes Kirk was evil. He smashed computers because computers were the root of all evil, and there was nothing wrong with cross species intercourse.
When STNG came out in the mid 80s all that changed. My generation questions how the teleporters work, how much energy output is in a hand held phaser, and why genetic malfunction with a teleporter turning crew members into children is seen as a horrible accident and must be "corrected" and not repeated. Computers can be your best friends (Commander Data). Cross species affairs (Commander Riker) can not only be dangerous to you but the whole crew.
In my opinion Klingons are badass not evil. People will always do bad things in the name of their agendas. But truth is there is no evil faction.
Ah, you're using the Urban Dictionary...that explains it.
They have some rather...different takes on stuff. For example this is what one user writes about the name "Marina":
"An alien-breeding, guitar-playing, sexified species of unicorn."
[I'm not kidding]
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Marina&defid=6207241
It's certainly an...unconventional source to draw on.:D
Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!! Its not!!!!!!!!!!!!??
Fed = Good Guys
KDF= Bad guys
That is plain stupid. Other than trek I play Classic Battletech and what I love about it was there were no good guys (at least until the stupid WoB Jihad...) I mean lets look at one of the factions: House Davion.
Many consider this the white knight faction... That is until they seen the antics Hanse Davion did and he merely destroyed the Capellan Confed on the day of his wedding, put a lot of spies into people... and was rather vindicive of the CC.(a note, WMDs are considered a Taboo in the Battletech setting, then why do the daviions have a supply of them,)
His Son, tried to have an imposter for Joshua Marik so he can get war materials for the Fed Com.
And those are the "white knights" the other factions play as dirty if not dirtier. *cough*ComStar*Cough*
I will say one thing, say what you want about the KDF, at least they don't have a section 31.
This is just another label. The story is about a "being" coming into grips with its identity and purpose in life. Although the story is somewhat flawed, the idea is that one must adapt to survive. There is quote by Winston Churchill, History is written by the victors.. Am I saying there are no bad people? No, of course there are people who think up evil deeds. But if those peoples accepted as a necessary evil by the majority they are not thought of as evil or bad. The "bad man" in the action movie "Cliffhanger" said, "Kill a few people, they call you a murderer. Kill a million and you're a conqueror. Go figure."
/join the KDF, conquer the galaxy
Even the Romulan character doesn't do that until he gets indoctrinated.
Nihilism is definitely in this year. True Detect ... er I mean True Story!
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I don't remember any of my Federation characters destroying a Romulan fleet above my, or their, or any, homeworld.
What is that reference?
lol, klingons are in the game just so you know, so are the orions and nausicaans.
you want more villains?
this thread is funny, i really don't get how can anyone see the klingons and their allies as anything but villains, with the exception of maybe the gorn, who are simply "there" unwillingly.
the only klingons who truly strived to be honorable are worf, the kahless clone(at least his goal during the story is noble) and martok.
its rather amusing and kinda scary how folks think a species that goes around trying to conquer everyone(with a few exceptions), murdering each other over "nebulous" definitions of honor, despite backstabbing each other all the damn time, are anything but villains, especially when the new chancellor j'mpok is fine with a literal criminal organization joining the KDF lol(although to be honest, this might just be cryptic bad writing in action).
The player is sent to save prisoners from a previous fed commando that was sent (once again) to spy/sabotage the Romulan on Rator (the new Romulan Empire Homeworld). And then to destroy the fleet in orbit which can be used against the Federation. Or not. Because honestly, we don't have any proof at all.
And thus, we do a "preemptive strike" (the name of the mission), violating the Prime Directive, and destroying a fleet we are not even sure is there to attack us.
In DS9, the Federation is shocked by the joint operation Obsidian Order/Tal Shiar preemptive strike against the Founder homeworld, and yet, the Dominion was already at war with the Alpha Quadrant, and had already destroyed fed ships. In STO ? We are not at war (yet) with the Romulan, but we take every single opportunity to spy or sabotage them. And finally, we attack their fleet.
From the Romulan point of vue, they are not at war, they are not trying anything, and loose a civilian research station, have a prototype ship and a military research station sabotaged, and catch fed spies twice. And finally, they have their entire fleet attacked above their homeworld.
How do you think they are feeling now ?